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satchboogie
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225 pounds..
flat, weak, and really really tired..
cant wait to carb up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flat, weak, and really really tired..
cant wait to carb up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mr.X
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looking good bro
Mr.X
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taste-icles
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Very sexy satch... lol j/k
I am about to run 400mg/week. Primo is as smoothe as it gets. It is my first primo cycle, I don't think I am ready for 1g/wk but it is nice to knopw someone is getting good results.
I am about to run 400mg/week. Primo is as smoothe as it gets. It is my first primo cycle, I don't think I am ready for 1g/wk but it is nice to knopw someone is getting good results.
CNovaJason
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I've never used it, but what's the biggest advantage with Primo?
What's theat long silver "cord" looking thing on the wall next to the toilet?
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satchboogie
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The Terminator said:
you can clean your ass with it...
works well for bitches who wanna clean their pussies before i suck em dry...
satchboogie said:
LOL
, Really?Does it squirt out water (is that what a badee (sp?) is?
satch, lookin good bor
marshallmadman
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Still lookin' good Satchmo. You don't look flat and weak in your pic. It seems like your weight keeps going up, and you keep getting more shredded...a la Arnold. "Louie is waiting in the shadows for you, Arnold."
I wonder how much Primo Arnold went through getting ready for a contest.
I wonder how much Primo Arnold went through getting ready for a contest.
taste-icles
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Satch, is your energy loss because of the lack of carbs? Some of the newbies would like to know.
I am running testoprim with 100mgs of primo twice a week (that's 500mgs testo + 200mgs primo total/wk), and a pretty clean diet, my energy is just fine.
I am running testoprim with 100mgs of primo twice a week (that's 500mgs testo + 200mgs primo total/wk), and a pretty clean diet, my energy is just fine.
ziggyziggy
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DAAAAAAAAAMN bor, you're looking good!
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Stainless_Steel
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Nice work. If thats flat I can't wait to see you after you carb up and muscles are full.(wait a minute, that sounded a little gay) You know what I mean though
DannoMight
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very not bad. still don't look flat. good luck bro
will b huge
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looking very good...... whats your diet like???? Are you running anything else or just PRIMO alone????
zZzStarGazer
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Looking niiiice.... *can't wait for my primo to come in*
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satchboogie
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yeah im flat trust me...
i know what flat feels like.
muscles just dont have the fullness to them.
thats ok though..
a few nice carb up days will handle that.
i know what flat feels like.
muscles just dont have the fullness to them.
thats ok though..
a few nice carb up days will handle that.
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satchboogie
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mendo said:
primo doesnt hurt so bad at all.
the day after only slight soreness.
put it this way.. sustanon hurts much more than primo!
i dunno...ive never used primo or EQ....but plan to in the future...but isnt primo normally 100mg/ml?....thats 10mls a week! thats gotta be a high dose,...id think at least, i really dont know how much primo people normally do, but 1 g of any compound is usually alotalltraps said:
organon250
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Nice satch keep it going bro your definetly headed in the right direction!!!
swordfish151
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looking great satch!
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satchboogie
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alltraps said:
OK YOU'RE A TOTAL IDIOT..
NOW FIND A ROCK TO HIDE UNDER.
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satchboogie
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ricorico said:
rather simple bro..
lat pulldowns 3 sets
machine rows 3 sets
bent over rows 3 sets
SLDL 3 sets
organon250
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yeah workouts aren't quantity as much as they should be quality with intesity underlined. there's always that guy that spend 2-3 hours in the gym that hasn't changed in 4 years and there are dudes that do 45 minutes to an hour but bust ass and use negatives, stripping method, forced negatives and all the other tricks of the trade to maximize intesity and they grow, grow, grow.
DieselGunz
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Lookin good bor, keep up the hard work, chest and back are impressive
satchboogie said:
now that you responded to a simple statement by being a dick, why exactly is he an idiot? If you are dieting, or bulking, a much smaller dose of something like eq WILL have almost exactly the same results as primo, the only real difference is if you are using it to bridge.
So what exactly is your hassle?
zZzStarGazer
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satchboogie said:
be nice butthead! *growl*
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needsize said:
ok mr. big bloated 25% bf...
have you tried primo or are you just runnin your mouth based on what you BELIEVE to be right?
dude..
you dont have to agree with anybody.
but backing such statement like:
400MG EQ = 1G PRIMO IS SERIOUSLY A FUCKIN JOKE!!!!!!!!
dont talk if you havent tried bro!
pure and simple!
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gymratforlife
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Oh boy.
satchboogie said:
you are actually talking shit to me, what the fuck is wrong with you??? I never started anything with you, someone made a simple statement on this thread about primo, and you go off the deep end, insulting him and me, what the hell for, care to discuss your motives? I know a hell of a lot more about steroids than you bro, why, the proof is in the pudding, I was bigger, and had a way more impressive physique than you, after one cycle, and have posted pics to prove it. But somehow you are an expert on all this are you, with a physique that would get blown off the stage on the smallest level one show????
You post on my pics thread complimenting me, but because I dont agree with you about primo, you turn around and insult me, the entire board knows your motivations behind that, but should we get it out into the open, and get your ass banned off most of the boards!!!!!
You get a bunch of kids, who think a pair of 14" arms are impressive, telling you that you are huge, and now all of a sudden you are a guru/expert on this stuff, fuck, this is funny, but shows the state of elite, no doubt
You wanna make fun of my bf, within 4-6 weeks I will be leaner than the pics you posted on this thread, and a truckload bigger, so what exactly is your point?
bicepts101
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alltraps said:
i find that hard to beleive....eq does absolutly nothing for me....i have givin it many chances......
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satchboogie
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man.. NEEDSIZE really really surprised me with that ingnorant response.
anybody else and i can understand..
but somebody of his caliber???
laugh my fuckin ass off about = 400mg eq is the same as 1g primo..
i'm about to piss in my pants..
whats next???....
200mg deca a week is better than 1g susta???
shit..
just about now nothing would surprise me.
and ALLTRAPS.. bump this thread all day long.. id appreciate it.
anybody else and i can understand..
but somebody of his caliber???
laugh my fuckin ass off about = 400mg eq is the same as 1g primo..
i'm about to piss in my pants..
whats next???....
200mg deca a week is better than 1g susta???
shit..
just about now nothing would surprise me.
and ALLTRAPS.. bump this thread all day long.. id appreciate it.
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satchboogie
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needsize said:
i still compliment you as you're much much bigger than me...
and you've proven yourself as a pro.
but agreeing with that bonehead ALLTRAPS bout his "400mg eq = 1g primo" really surprised me bro.
and i dont think anybody has a right to say shit before they try 1g primo for themselves!! just like i wouldnt say anything about hgh/slin cause i havent tried it!! so my posts about such would be pure speculation..
needsize.. no beef dude..
but if ALLTRAPS is your friend, backing him up on this post was a bad move.
should have stayed quiet IMO.
400mg = 1g primo.. i think thatll be my next signature.. lmfao
bicepts101
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satchboogie said:
bro whats the your problem chill...lets have a constructive argument bro....good people are fighting here...its not worth it
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bicepts101 said:
my apology for NEEDSIZE for that above statement..
but seriously now... "400MG EQ = 1G PRIMO"
if god backed that up i'd talk shit to him too.. sorry.
bicepts101
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needsize said:
dont worry about it bro....you are a bodybuilder thats competes bro thats what you do....we all know that. to minipulate your bodyfat% the way you do is inprirational in the very least....the same goes to the other guys that can do it....machine to name one
bicepts101
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satchboogie said:
i agree i think that was a bad example......but i just dont want to see you guys befreind eachother thats all
I still agree with the concept of what alltraps is saying, that primo isnt a wonder drug. I have done it, and unless I was bridging, I felt the results were very similar to eq, mild, no water, and no massive gains. Maybe 400mg of eq is a little low, but I do honestly feel that a smaller dose of eq, will result is the same gains as a larger dose of primo.
Either way, the comments were directed towards primo, not you, and you come back with a shot at my physique
Either way, the comments were directed towards primo, not you, and you come back with a shot at my physique
bicepts101
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Dial_tone said:
that sounds more accurate as the general consensus....but i have to try primo really to find out and i will.
Dial_tone said:
I can agree with that as well. And since my body sucks and doesnt like to grow, even a gram of eq isnt enough unless I stack it with some other bad boys.....So I do agree that primo is a good drug, especially if you have the cash, but depending on your goals, its not the perfect one. If someone gave me a lot of it, I would happily add it to a contest stack, or bridge with it, but otherwise, cost wise it doesnt work out for me
Tux
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Guess I can never use primo either... my genetics suck for gaining size, 800mg/week of eq wasn't enough for me as the base of a cycle, maybe with 800/week of test it would have been good. My genetics are probably worse than yours NS, so I guess I'll stick to heavy test as my base, and throw in lots of dbol and tren to boost things up 
marshallmadman
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In my experience Primo seems to be the only thing that will work when you really get the calories into the basement. If you aren't on GH, T3, Clen, IGF-1 and etc., dropping calories way down is the only way you will get shredded. It does have a legit purpose to people that aren't trying to be both huge and cut.
It just seems like I can gain muscle with it on 1200 calories/day. Nothing else seems to get the job done in that area. If I wanted to be shredded at 210 pounds it would be a consideration.
It just seems like I can gain muscle with it on 1200 calories/day. Nothing else seems to get the job done in that area. If I wanted to be shredded at 210 pounds it would be a consideration.
bicepts101
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marshallmadman said:
and thats why i wanna use it
marshallmadman
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bicepts101 said:
I hear ya. For some peeps, that just ain't enough.
alltraps
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satch, you really are a joke! keep posting the same pics over and over and call them progress pics! and make sure you angle the camera just right so you look bigger, fools most of the kids on here. if it takes a gram of primo to look like that, i want nothing to do with it. you;re just pissed at me cuz im ruining your shameless plugs! go fuck off as you have zero positive input on this forum.
and i am not talking shit about primo from speculation or from what i read, i am talking from experience. primo is the MOST OVER RATED AND OVERPRICED drug in this sport. id rather spend the cash on steak and chicken then on primo. and thats my word.
and i am not talking shit about primo from speculation or from what i read, i am talking from experience. primo is the MOST OVER RATED AND OVERPRICED drug in this sport. id rather spend the cash on steak and chicken then on primo. and thats my word.
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alltraps said:
i can respect a man's opinion if it has merit.;.
but you havent tried primo so how in the world can you say that??
and the 700mg eq = 1g primo is a joke...
sure, they'll both prevent muscle burning while on a cycle, but you cant possibly tell me they're the same...
1) primo only steroid that allows you to add lean muscle on low cals.. eq cant do that shit and only opens appetite.
2) primo hardens you like a rock.. great for pre contest and those with already low bf.. eq doesnt harden you up.. only produces red blood cells which leads to a decent pump.. thats it!
3) primo little to no sides.. eq almost side free but increase of appetite and feeling lethargic.
4) primo still found pharmaceutical grade.. eq cant!
alltraps
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and how much muscle does it really add?? why not add muscle like everyone else, while bulking, then cut? makes more sence to me, rather then doing a gram of primo to add 2lbs of muscle.satchboogie said:
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ok this point may be relavant
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what about hair? that is one of the biggest sides people worry about.
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YEY. the eq i take is top notch, domestic and cheap as dirt. never had problems
can you READ my last post? i said im speaking from experience!!!!!!!
if primo was the same price as eq, sure, it may be a better choice for low cal diets, BUT given that it costs quadruple that of EQ, its a waste of money. anyone will tell you that!
given how much YOU pay for primo, i bet even for the same money, YOU could stack winny/tren/masteron and get way way better results.
alltraps
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AND just so you know, my original eq statement was a blanket one with sarcasm. im just sick of seeing these stupid ass primo threads hyping it up like its such a miracle drug! its not! its for women and a few, and i mean few people will EVER benefit from it. ANY AAS is better then primo for the money. and dont think i cant afford primo, cuz i can, im just not stupid enough to. like i said, chicken and steak is a better way for me to spend my money
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satchboogie said:
Satch...alltraps is a very good bro....no need for shit like this..especially since he just told you his oppinion of primo.
Same goes for bitching at needsize....he is good guy who knows what he is talking about...and help out alot of people here. I trust his advice! 25%BF.....if you want to grow you need not to fear geting fat. Hell im a fat ass now..bulking up..ill try to go all the way to 290 or so before cutting.
Satch eat some carbs man....i think you need some....your a bit edgy...diets will do that to you.
Now as far as the Primo debate...i will keep my mouth closed as i have never tried it ( and dont plan on it due to cost).
What i can attest to is 800 mg of Eq is nice for cutting as it makes you vascular/super hard....however does not do too much for bulking.
Id take 400mg deca over 1g Eq any day.
500mg test over 1g Eq
Test is best and im sticking to test! ( and deca when available)
To each is his own......this is really turning into a pretty ridiculous pissing match. It comes down to the individual. There are to many variables to say x amount of eq equals x amount of primo etc.....Obviously there are stronger drugs out there than primo, but some might weigh the side effects above anything else in deciding what to use. Therefore there is no "perfect" drug that will be the consensus favorite. I personaly think primo is way overpriced and if I didn't have the money for it I wouldn't use it. That being said, I do have the money for and run it in my cutting cycles with good results. THERE ARE NO MIRACLE DRUGS!!! there is going to be pro's and con's on everything.
I dont buy that primo will add mass to you in a calorie deficit, its too mild. In fact, I've said all along that I dont believe that you can add muscle in a calories deficit. The only chance of that happening is if you are not very advanced, because your body will respond differently to the steroids, and its much easier to add mass when you dont have huge amounts of it. But if you take an advanced bodybuilder who carries a large amount of muscle mass, then it just isnt going to happen, thats why competitive bodybuilders do things the way that they do.
And if I was wrong, and it could be done, it would take a VERY strong drug to make that happen, like very large amounts of drugs like test, deca, fina, etc
And if I was wrong, and it could be done, it would take a VERY strong drug to make that happen, like very large amounts of drugs like test, deca, fina, etc
Tux
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Got to agree with you on that point NS. I'll admit I've never used primo, but EVERYONE's opinion is that it's a very MILD steroid. EQ is certainly stronger per mg for most people, and I KNOW test is stronger. I've dieted using test before at 600mg/week, and I didn't gain muscle. I've dieted with EQ before, didn't gain muscle. Only time I actually gained some muscle while dieting was on 100mg/ed of tren acetate and 30mg/ed of winny. Then I managed to add maybe 2-3lbs of muscle while dropping 20+lbs of fat. I know I gained muscle b/c my measurements stayed the same or increased by 1/4-1/2 inch, and you can't have measurements increase while loosing fat without muscle taking up that extra space. So I'll admit, again, I've not tried primo, but from everyone's experiences posted, and from Satch's own progress pics, it really seems far too overpriced for the results. I'll take tren/winny anyday for 1/3 the cost!
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Needsize....you think its posible to swap though..right?
For example what im doing now..im eating the same ammount of callories and working out...im even at 270lbs......however im eating just around the ammount i need to stay there.....a so called swap.....replacing fat with muscle. It isnt a fast process...but i see my muscle mass increasing and weight maintaining..so that leads me to only 1 conclusion.
Reason im doing this is im voming back..and want to gain abck soem muscle and reduce my bodyfat stores that i hav ebuilt up before i trully bulk out.
Any advice appreciated bro.
For example what im doing now..im eating the same ammount of callories and working out...im even at 270lbs......however im eating just around the ammount i need to stay there.....a so called swap.....replacing fat with muscle. It isnt a fast process...but i see my muscle mass increasing and weight maintaining..so that leads me to only 1 conclusion.
Reason im doing this is im voming back..and want to gain abck soem muscle and reduce my bodyfat stores that i hav ebuilt up before i trully bulk out.
Any advice appreciated bro.
PolfaJelfa said:
I am starting to think that is possible. On this last cycle, I shot up to 260lbs within 2 weeks, then stayed at that weight, getting more pissed off all the time that I wasnt gaining weight, till I realized my gut was getting smaller, but my weight stayed the same
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satchboogie
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whatever needsize is doin seems to work just fine!
satchboogie said:
Well, can I shed some light on the subject beings that I have used both at the respected dosages..I personally feel that primo was much more effective running it @400mg/wk than EQ, any time of the year. Now maybe I did something wrong when I ran the EQ, that's why I'm using it again at a higher dose, so maybe I'll change my mind in about 14 weeks.
As for this thread taking a turn for the worse, I think that Needsize may have been offended by Satch bumping heads with his friend, so be it. Satch and I are not "buds" however I can back up his statement because I have experienced what he's talking about.
The bottom line is this: we all know Satch loves Primo, and there are many others as well..Needsize is one of the more solid guys on the board, he competes, he shares his training with us and so on..So let's not turn this into a contest to see who can talk more out of the sides of their mouth deal, both guys are good to have around here!! AGREED???
Extra_Strong
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SATCH... HOOK US UP WITH SOME PICS.. like some before and after...
... when you were a skinny mofo... let us see how you have changed over the years..
... when you were a skinny mofo... let us see how you have changed over the years..
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Extra_Strong said:
i have before primo cycle pics..
and pics from today.
ill post them once cycle is over for all to see..
all i can tell you is there's a HUGE fuckin difference!
and i say HUGE fuckin change!
courtneybcca
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needsize said:
well I respect all of your guys opinions and I was not going to add anything to this thread.. but needsize I just wanted to tell you that I am living proof that you can add mass with primo on a calorie deficit. I have been on primo for 11 weeks now. I have kept my calories between 700-1000 and I have put on about 8 pounds of muscle in this time while bringing my bf from 22 to 13. Maybe its because I am a women I know you mentioned this is a good drug for females... but in my experience with it, this has been the best choice for me. I have had no bad sides, just a increase in my strength that is unbelieveable for me. Check out my gallery you can see my progress...
I have done a complete transformation.. and its all because of my diet, training, and primo... just wanted to add my 2 cents...
you guys are both good guys and I value you both on the boards... everyone is different...
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Extra_Strong
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satchboogie said:
i ment like before like.. years ago like when you 1st started lifting...
or before you ever touched .. the sauce.
courtneybcca said:
There's certainly validity to your statement, but keep in mind that you were by no means 'buff' before you went on Primo. You might have had a somewhat solid base, but nothing close to what people such as Needsize, or even someone 50lbs lighter has. And, as we all know, it's easier to gain muscle if it's your first cycle or if you didn't have significant amounts of muscle before. Also, your testosterone levels are much lower than a man's, and thus, even slight doses of anabolics will have a profound effect.
I can assure you that any man who already has a solid base will not see much, if any, muscle gain on a high dose of Primo and very low calories. Satch is an OK example of how Primo can add small amounts of muscle on a low-calorie diet, but I sincerely doubt that his diet is as hypocaloric as yours is.
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azul said:
thats pretty much what I was going to say, courtneybcca, while you have a very nice physique(I have looked at your pics more than once, trust me....
), but the rules are different depending on what kind of physique you have. A 250lb bodybuilder, will not stand any chance of gaining mass in a calorie deficit, or if he did, it would require the big guns, test, deca, insulin, gh, etc. Women also do respond to low doses of mild steroids much, much better than men do
azul said:Lol Needsize, though in Canada that might be called a compliment, in the US they call it sexual harassment.
good thing I live in canada then
actually sexual harassment is usually when one person is in a position of authority over the other, I have no authority, here or anywhere else, so its cool
courtneybcca
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I take it as a complement thank you.... I did have some size before I did this cycle... and actually I have done winny and var before... The reason why I wanted to use a drug was so that I didnt lose any of the gains I had made during the off season when I did a bulking cycle.. (just with food) and not only did the primo help with that I was very surprised to make the extra gains I have... I understand your point.. I am in no way a 250 pound bodybuilder but I am a 130 pound fitness model... and just wanted to add my comments because I have seen the benefits from it...
and just wanted to add my comments because I have seen the benefits from it...
courtneybcca said:I take it as a complement thank you.... I did have some size before I did this cycle... and actually I have done winny and var before... The reason why I wanted to use a drug was so that I didnt lose any of the gains I had made during the off season when I did a bulking cycle.. (just with food) and not only did the primo help with that I was very surprised to make the extra gains I have... I understand your point.. I am in no way a 250 pound bodybuilder but I am a 130 pound fitness model...
no doubt you had some muscle, your pics have always impressed me, and for what you wanted, primo is a good choice, it will maintain your mass while dieting. And it is safe for women, when very few are. I would happily use primo myself if it was in the budget, but its not, so I get very similar results from cheaper alternatives
needsize said:
I agree with this post more than ANY other in this thread...
NO ADVANCED athlete is going to gain MUSCLE in a calorie deficient environment (and certainly not on WEAK drugs like Primo and EQ)
Tren is about the only drug I would even consider betting ANY money on to accomplish that in such a caloric deficient state with an advanced athlete in mind...
zZzStarGazer
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courtneybcca said:
Thanks for that info Courtney, I really needed to know all that on a females's perspective. You look great so I'm excited to get my gear in.
May I pm you a few other questions sometime?
