Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hi guys, i started aas for the firsttime last summer... was probably 4 weeks into cycle of dbol, nile sus and deca.. and i suddenly developed a pain in my chest.. was kinda sharp, rushed to ER, they did the usual, xrays, bloods, ECG.. they said heart is fine, anyway this pain continued to worsen, since lasy august i must hav been to ER 20 times, each time they have told me heart is fine, eve saw a cardiologist recently and had an echocardiogram done and also had treadmill test, both fine.. anyway even after all this i still cant get it out of my head that its not my heart, slightest pain and i worry that im goin to have a heart attack, have been off sock from work since august, wot you guys think?.. am i worryin for no reason? anyway is it true that if it was pain from the heart then it wouldnt have lasted this long? i have recently gone back to the gym again and am deciding to simple testoviron only cycle but so scared that i might damage my heart!!
possible heart prob?
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G3aR said:
thanks for the that... but all docs have told me that my heart is fine and kept tellin me that its costochondritis.. and recently the cardiologist told me that its intercostal neauralgia..... i think its muskoskeletal pain but its been going on for months and for some reason i keep thinkin its the heart even tho 20+ plus docs have said its not... why can't i believe them? this is affecting me in a big way!
G3aR said:
they pressed on my ribs and breastbone and that caused pain so they said that its costochondritis (inflammation of rib cartilage) and was give anti inflammatory drugs for it which didnt really make much difference.. and just recently in jan when i saw the heart specialist he said that my symptoms are that of intercostal neuralgia, which is nerve pain in the ribs
G3aR said:
i dont think its steroid use that caused it, i just made the whole thing worse by thinking that steroids caused it, its more mental than physical, its caused me alot of anxiety, i was just hoping that some one who know about the heart etc might be able to help me with this and try assuring me that the pain is not from my heart... i mean 20+ plus docs cant be wrong can they?? or can they?
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shaz29 said:
i suffer from time to time with sharpe pains in the left side and just below my left pec, sometimes i fall to the floor in near screaming pain to just complete freeze unable to move for 20 seconds or so. i have an occassional trapped nerve in my intercostal region.
on a different note, on one cycle of 1000mg test and 500 mg Primo per week in the last 2/3 weeks and for about 4/5 weeks after i'd get occassion palperations (that funny fluttering feeling).
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shaz29 said:
thats what i get
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shaz29 said:
yes i had it checked, electrocardiogram and a echocardiogram, blood tests, urine test etc..
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well i know this sounds funny and i did not read the whole thread just your first few posts. let me tell you that i got similar pains. added to that i have an enlarged heart from all the sports i played. the doctor said if i had an enlarged heart before steroids which i did and i had good bp and cholesterol which i do. then its an "athletes heart". so needless to say i am a bit scared. i keep getting the pains and going in. it turns out a lot of the time man it is heart burn. i am not saying its for sure the same for you, but a few times it felt very serious and it was heart burn. you can also have muscle spasms that feel just like a heart attack. just trying to give you ideas of things it might be that are not so scary since they can't find anything on a test. try getting some zantac or pepcid and see if it helps. what does your diet look like.
gabulldogs02
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I've had these before... Sharp pains, unable to breath deeply until it goes away. On my 1st cycle 500mg of test and 300mg of deca i woke up in the middle of the night from one. Hurt so fucking bad and had a sore chest for 3 days straight from it. I rarely get them anymore. Is your blood pressure okay?Heartburn or acid reflux? Its a possibility. I'm taking prilosec for acid reflux and dont have the pains anymore. Just a theory.. good luck
CO B-man
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Are you kidding me???? You have gone to how many doctors (SPECAILISTS) and they have all told you that you are fine and now you want to come on a sterroid board and ask mostly kids from young ages with a few of us older with absolutely no medical background whatsoever if you are fine???/ Where is the logic dude seriously?shaz29 said:
No you are definately going to die at a very young age because your medical doctors have no idea what the hell they are talking about. Especially the heart doctor you went to You came to the right place we are all specialists in the health field because we inject shit into our muscles. There sounds like that is what you are waiting to hear since you keep asking everyone else and they keep giving you the same answer..
maddawgxxl
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I had a bought with heart pain pack a few years ago. I was getting something like you describe, also fluttering and sometimes the palpitations banged my chest so hard, I thought I was about to die. I had every heart test possible... stress tests, EKG's, ECG's, etc... I also went on tons of different meds and none really helped except ativan. Guess my anxiety was making the symptoms worse than what they were. A year later, I was off all the meds and all symptoms were gone!
One thing I can tell you that might help your nerves (Doc's used to tell me this all the time)... if it was your heart, you wouldn't feel any sharp pains... it would feel more like a elephant standing on your chest!!
Good luck Bro, and I hope you get it diagnosed correctly soon!
One thing I can tell you that might help your nerves (Doc's used to tell me this all the time)... if it was your heart, you wouldn't feel any sharp pains... it would feel more like a elephant standing on your chest!!
Good luck Bro, and I hope you get it diagnosed correctly soon!
maddawgxxl said:
Thanks for the advice... its very frustrating tho, as soon as i get slight tingle in my chest i think OMG something is happenin to my heart.. its coz off all this that i've not been able to return to work since august.. luckily my employers are quite understanding
DJ_UFO
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Is not your heart mang....heart problems have different symptoms. A sharp pain in the chest is usually something in the rib cage or some nerves. The heart, first of all, does not hurt. When you have a heart attack you have a pain accross the whole chest, not in one specific point but a pain like if a train passed over you; you get breathlessness, you feel like having five 45lb plates over your chest.
I get those sharp pains in the center of the chest sometimes after a brutal chest workout.
I get those sharp pains in the center of the chest sometimes after a brutal chest workout.
MTS said:
yes mines similar.. my heart rate is quite slow, resting is 40-50 bpm, but thats because i'm on beta blockers, and mine beats like tick tick tick tick... then pauses for a second then continues, keeps beating like this, but i guess thats normal.. anyway i dont have the acid reflux so my condition probably isnt the same as yours
Vascular Freak
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it was prob bad gas from all the protein
DJ_UFO said:
Thanks what you have said makes sense, but it gets annoyin after a while, especially when its been going on for 8 months... and i'm pretty certain heart pain wouldnt be going on for 8 months without it givin me a heart attack by now.. which i'v been told is highly unlikely coz i dont have any risk factors.. doesnt run in the family, my cholesterol is 5.9 which is just slightly over borderline but i'm on a diet to bring that down, bp is 130/78.. dont smoke, im 6'2 and slim, and im only 32.. i really need to do something for me to get this feelin that im gonna die out of my head http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
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I hate to tell you this but everyone is going to die from heart failure one day, even you. Maybe you were having pain before you took AAS but didn't think much of it cause you didn't have anything to blame it on. Now you do. What I am saying is maybe it is psychological. Lots of things can cause pain in that area but don't mean it is the heart. It is naturally the first thing you think of in that area. Hell I just had the shingles on the left side and thought I was surely suffering a heart attack at first. Sounds like you had it checked out very well so don't let fear control your life.
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solidspine
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Two other explanations
First let me say, I have never read or heard of gear affecting someone’s heart, simply not related to something else. So don’t worry.
But what may have happened.
1) You may have stretched a muscle in your chest, or increased the size of your chest so that it hurts.
2) You may, or are likely having panic attacks, gear will induce panic attacks, they are identical, in my opinion to a heart attack, and except for the minor detail they don’t kill you.
I have panic attacks, and now gear does not affect them, but believe me, I went to the hospital dozens of times, thinking my heart was stopping etc…. before I was diagnosed with panic attacks.
First let me say, I have never read or heard of gear affecting someone’s heart, simply not related to something else. So don’t worry.
But what may have happened.
1) You may have stretched a muscle in your chest, or increased the size of your chest so that it hurts.
2) You may, or are likely having panic attacks, gear will induce panic attacks, they are identical, in my opinion to a heart attack, and except for the minor detail they don’t kill you.
I have panic attacks, and now gear does not affect them, but believe me, I went to the hospital dozens of times, thinking my heart was stopping etc…. before I was diagnosed with panic attacks.
hahaha dude i know exactly what it is, iv had the exact same thing for years.
Yes its a sharp and intence pain that comes on all of a sudden. The doctors are right when they say its costochondritis and intercostal neauralgia.
i dont get it much anymore but when i was goin through puberty my chest was growing fast causing the cartalige between my ribs to crack and override each other.
i was playing lots of cricket during this time and my chest is actually warped and sunken on the right side becuase of the cartalige breaking then healing in a deifferent spot.
your first cycle would have caused your chest to move around and crack to accomadate the new muscle growth.
First time i got it at bout 15 i thought it was a heart attack but when i breathed in deep and went through the pain i felt in slip back into place and pain instantly went.
It is not your heart so no need to be paranoid. bout time you go back to work
Yes its a sharp and intence pain that comes on all of a sudden. The doctors are right when they say its costochondritis and intercostal neauralgia.
i dont get it much anymore but when i was goin through puberty my chest was growing fast causing the cartalige between my ribs to crack and override each other.
i was playing lots of cricket during this time and my chest is actually warped and sunken on the right side becuase of the cartalige breaking then healing in a deifferent spot.
your first cycle would have caused your chest to move around and crack to accomadate the new muscle growth.
First time i got it at bout 15 i thought it was a heart attack but when i breathed in deep and went through the pain i felt in slip back into place and pain instantly went.
It is not your heart so no need to be paranoid. bout time you go back to work
floridalife
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this may sound silly but any doc will tell you gas pain in the chest is ALWAYS mistaken for heart issues
dsh89
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I am in the medical field and reproducable (when they push on you it hurts) chest pain is musculoskeletal. I cannot believe you have been to the ER 20 times in 8 months. Don't you think that is excessive, especially since you have seen a cardiologist as well? And you have not worked since August? Bro you need to see a psych doc, because your head is causing you a lot of problems, not your heart.
solidspine
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Sound very similar to anxiety or panic attacks, can be a real bitch,
Do a Google search for Panic attacks
Do a Google search for Panic attacks
They probobly ran AMI tests on ya and you turned out fine, it sounds like the muscle/cartilage around the ribs....sharp pain, pain while pressing and inhaling/exhaling.......
MI are more of a constant crushing pain that may radiate to jaw/arm. THe pain does not subside upon relaxation and is not exacerbated with pressing on the rib cage becasue the pain is from lack of O2 to the heart due to blockage....extermal pressure wont change that.
MI are more of a constant crushing pain that may radiate to jaw/arm. THe pain does not subside upon relaxation and is not exacerbated with pressing on the rib cage becasue the pain is from lack of O2 to the heart due to blockage....extermal pressure wont change that.
Yeah I guess my pain is musculoskeletal as well since I'm not an anxious person and my doc sent me to a cardiologist b/c of the sxs I reported to him.
I get stabbing pains right on my ticker all the time. Sometimes it feels like dozens of tiny needles poking me right over my heart, but other times it's like a knife. Sometimes I feel it up into my left shoulder and even into my back at times. I've never had it all the way across my chest though, or felt the pressure someone mentioned. My doc sent me to a cardiologist a year ago who did an echo and said my heart looked fine and I've had two ekg's which looked all good too. My total chol has been checked every year for the last 3 and it's never been over 190 and my triglycerides are never been over like 70 so I dont see what it could be angina from clogged arteries.
I've had pretty much every standard test except an angiogram.
I get stabbing pains right on my ticker all the time. Sometimes it feels like dozens of tiny needles poking me right over my heart, but other times it's like a knife. Sometimes I feel it up into my left shoulder and even into my back at times. I've never had it all the way across my chest though, or felt the pressure someone mentioned. My doc sent me to a cardiologist a year ago who did an echo and said my heart looked fine and I've had two ekg's which looked all good too. My total chol has been checked every year for the last 3 and it's never been over 190 and my triglycerides are never been over like 70 so I dont see what it could be angina from clogged arteries.
I've had pretty much every standard test except an angiogram.
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steroids can and will give people serious health problems dont listen to that stupid shit on "oh where are the bodies" crap plenty drop dead all the time
shaz29 said:
Yeah that's part of what I was describing when I said sometimes the discomfort feels like a bunch of needles sticking me, and yes it's right near the sternum.
shaz29 said:
no, not anymore. I mean it's never killed me, and I've noticed exercise doesnt make it any worse or better.
Having had the echo and 2 ekg's though really helped give me peace of mind, you know? If you havent had those done already, you really should.
Ur a mixed anxious/hypochondriac...i know, i once was one too...shaz29 said:
I had a PA the first time i shot, when i felt those sharp sternal pain when inhaling......i get palpitations...anxiety when i think something is really wrong.....but there never is.
Point being....your probly have some stretched muscles or cartilage somewhere, when you expand the chest cage or contract (the whole pushing on the chest thing to feel pain) it, it hurts....MI hurt with constant squeezing....your just getting anxiety over these things...it will stop when you get used to it happening sometimes.
Dont worry about it....you might have an anxiety attack again
dsh89
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Yes they are the same thing. And once again, 20 of them is EXCESSIVE! Borderline psychotic behavior dude. You would be what we lovingly call a "frequent flyer" and laughed at every time you came in. How many times does a doctor have to tell and do complete cardiac work-ups on you for you to believe them?
Just wondering....
I read some stuff about a condition known as polycythemia. Its where you have an increase in your red blood cell count. I know AAS use can increase RBC count and also cause your cholessterol levels to deteriorate. Over time can this lead to chest pain???
Any thoughts?
I read some stuff about a condition known as polycythemia. Its where you have an increase in your red blood cell count. I know AAS use can increase RBC count and also cause your cholessterol levels to deteriorate. Over time can this lead to chest pain???
Any thoughts?
Stop your cycle. Go to a GOOD interventional Cardiologist and tell him you want a full heart work-up. EVERYTHING. After, if all is well , get back on and eliminate some of the gear, to see which one is the bad guy.
Personnally I think it's in your head. Chest connective tissure is very esy to tear. Hey, it's right above your heart.
Don't sweat it.
Personnally I think it's in your head. Chest connective tissure is very esy to tear. Hey, it's right above your heart.
Don't sweat it.
Went to see the cardiologist... everything is fine! thank god! he said the chance of me getting heart disease is close to zero.. he also said my treadmill test was one of the best he has seen in a long time.. also all bloods are fine too.. nothing to worry about, he said i just have chest wall pain, but seen as tho i've hAd most scans he said he'll arrange a stomach endoscopy just to rule out any probs there that could be affecting the chest, but he said its unlikely... JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS TO ALL U GUYS WHO GAVE ME ADVICE ON THIS
Dude its probably due to panick attacks and things of that nature. The more you think about it the worse it gets. I have been that way most of my life. I used to get tingling feeling in my neck and the more I freaked about it the worse it got and the doctors had no clue what it was from. I diagnosed myself with panick attacks and it seems to have been the problem. As soon as you can convince yourself that you will be fine I guarantee things will get better. Just try to have the mentality that you dont give a shit and if you die you die. The more you sit there and think about it the worse it will be. Just chill out. If you cant get over it mentally maybe you should go get some Paxil. From what I understand you only use it for about 6 months and it usually gets things back in order as far as anxiety goes....Good luck bro
No pain,but serious chest thumping on my last cycle of test e 500mg e/w,10 weeks.All tests fine,incl bp and Bloodtests,EKG,etc.Cardiologist said I was fine and prescirbed beta blockers as well,he said he didnt think it was the cycle,never took beta blockers,wanted to see what happened when I got off cycle,3 weeks after,it was gone.I will admit,all the tests being normal made it better,because I worried about it alot less.I am 32 as well.Now you make me worry a bit again because I am back on for the first time since then....MIND OVER MATTER!shaz29 said:
Pat_McCrotch
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Can i be honest with ya here and i am sure i will get flamed. i am in the medical field and have been for going on 6 years now. i spent 2 years as as nurse and 1 year as a tele tech on a cardiac floor. We took care of post cath(the tube in your groin ytest), post CABG patients and many other heart disease process'. I have worked in several ERs that are know for thier hearts. You ARE FINE!!!!!
When we see the same people come back for the same thing and swear its thier heart and we have done every test there is and they still don't believe we roll our eyes. Be a man and stop being a little girl. i know the heart is an important muscle. Your fine. if you can cause the pain by touching the area it is musculoskeletal pain. NOT YOUR HEART!!! get back in the gym and workout. if you think it is the roids then Fucking commen sense would tell you to lay off the roids. There are other ways to get big with out the juice. Yes it will take longer but you can do it. Sprry for being an ass but MAN UP dude and move on. your heart is fine.
When we see the same people come back for the same thing and swear its thier heart and we have done every test there is and they still don't believe we roll our eyes. Be a man and stop being a little girl. i know the heart is an important muscle. Your fine. if you can cause the pain by touching the area it is musculoskeletal pain. NOT YOUR HEART!!! get back in the gym and workout. if you think it is the roids then Fucking commen sense would tell you to lay off the roids. There are other ways to get big with out the juice. Yes it will take longer but you can do it. Sprry for being an ass but MAN UP dude and move on. your heart is fine.
im with er rn, ive been in the er for 8 years. paramedica before then. sounds like ur 12 lead is good to go. then only question i might have is have a ever had any hx of iv drug use? sometimes that can cause problems down the road. U dont sound like a endocarditis case to me. does sound more muscle related. Just relax. U have went above and beyond to make sure ur ok.
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