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[Trendsetter21]

There was some good information as well as some bad information from arrogant know it all dumbfucks in this thread.


Thanks for the good information. As for the dumbfucks, thanks for encouraging me to find another board to ask about future cycles on, because it wont be this one.


EF is a great place until people find out you're just starting. Literally EVERY thread I have ever read here about a first cycle has had several people saying "you're not ready". If you're going to say that then just go ahead and shut the fuck up because we know when we need gear and when we don't. Everyone's goals aren't the same. My goal right now is to shed body fat and in order to that I have to be in a caloric deficit, but I don't want to sacrifice my muscle, so what do you do? You introduce AAS to preserve lean body mass. 100% what it is meant for.


Heaven fucking forbid I skipped legs one day and half assed an upper body workout because I knew I'd be hitting the same muscle group harder the next day. Don't act like you've never cheated your diet or skipped on a workout. You are one pathetic fuck.

I have a different mind set than you, probably different than 98% of the people on here. I have never skipped a workout, or half-assed it in the past 3 years. I don't even take anything yet but I know my two problems in the past were diet and training. When I get focused on something I don't deviate or let anything get in my way. If you need to take a day off for your body to recover that is not skipping a workout, you have to listen to your body. But what is the point of doing a half ass workout? There is none. There was no name calling toward you from me at all, and mostly your attitude is your problem. Instead of taking the real good advice you are getting you want to do it the wrong way which isn't going to benefit you at all, maybe for the 2 months you are on but after that you'll be back to 176lbs if you don't fix DIET AND TRAINING FIRST.

Like I said, I've seen tons of know it alls, don't tell me guys take steroids in my gym and not even come close to what I lift or my size. Then 2 months after they are off the sauce they look pathetic and are back to being weak. It makes no sense to do this to your body, If you fix diet and training you never have to worry about that. But what do I know? I just naturally gained 40lbs in the last 3 years with hard work and dedication.

If you didn't want actually solid and correct advice (which is not to use yet and try to grow more naturally first) then you should go to another board that will give you poor advice and tell you the things you want to hear. Unlike that board we don't want to see you fail. But just from reading your posts its clear you are going to do what you want so whats the point in trying to talk some sense into you. If you can't grow off of 250mg of test a week only for your first cycle then you never have to worry about taking steroids. Cuz they won't work for you. I believe I read somewhere that 250mg's a week is 9x the amount a normal male produces. Plenty enough for a 180lb person to grow.

 

[dabuffguy]

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Help me plan my first cycle please.


Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity


Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels


Diet is definitely in check. You can see this in my food log in the diet section. Cardio is in check, I do somewhere between 2 and 4 miles of running daily.


I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.


Thanks guys.

^^^

No, it most certainly is not.

 

[dabuffguy]

I have a different mind set than you, probably different than 98% of the people on here. I have never skipped a workout, or half-assed it in the past 3 years. I don't even take anything yet but I know my two problems in the past were diet and training. When I get focused on something I don't deviate or let anything get in my way. If you need to take a day off for your body to recover that is not skipping a workout, you have to listen to your body. But what is the point of doing a half ass workout? There is none. There was no name calling toward you from me at all, and mostly your attitude is your problem. Instead of taking the real good advice you are getting you want to do it the wrong way which isn't going to benefit you at all, maybe for the 2 months you are on but after that you'll be back to 176lbs if you don't fix DIET AND TRAINING FIRST.

Like I said, I've seen tons of know it alls, don't tell me guys take steroids in my gym and not even come close to what I lift or my size. Then 2 months after they are off the sauce they look pathetic and are back to being weak. It makes no sense to do this to your body, If you fix diet and training you never have to worry about that. But what do I know? I just naturally gained 40lbs in the last 3 years with hard work and dedication.

If you didn't want actually solid and correct advice (which is not to use yet and try to grow more naturally first) then you should go to another board that will give you poor advice and tell you the things you want to hear. Unlike that board we don't want to see you fail. But just from reading your posts its clear you are going to do what you want so whats the point in trying to talk some sense into you. If you can't grow off of 250mg of test a week only for your first cycle then you never have to worry about taking steroids. Cuz they won't work for you. I believe I read somewhere that 250mg's a week is 9x the amount a normal male produces. Plenty enough for a 180lb person to grow.

I do NOT miss meals, I do NOT miss work outs, and I DO NOT half ass anything in the gym ever or at the dinner table EVER. I've gained almost 50 pounds in 1 year. And I am 12-13% BF, not 20%+. Yeah, i took the juice, but I continue to gain strength and mass while i'm off and going through PCT. Last time JWO was on some cyclotren or something he lost his weight right after because he doesn't eat anything.



JWO02, I analyzed your diets for calories twice in your diet log. You ate 1400 calories yesterday.

I've given you a lot of contructive criticism, and I hope I never came across as being a dick to you, because that has not been my intention at all. Frankly, you need help with your diet. And, I've told you what you need to do, but you don't listen. Others have told you what you should do, but you still ignore them and keep eating 1500-2000 calories a day and are baffled at why you aren't getting big. You have this notion that eating 2 pieces of bread and a couple eggs for breakfast, and snacking on apple slices and peanut between meals is what you need to do to get. ITS NOT.

 

[socalmuscle]

I do NOT miss meals, I do NOT miss work outs, and I DO NOT half ass anything in the gym ever or at the dinner table EVER. I've gained almost 50 pounds in 1 year. And I am 12-13% BF, not 20%+. Yeah, i took the juice, but I continue to gain strength and mass while i'm off and going through PCT. Last time JWO was on some cyclotren or something he lost his weight right after because he doesn't eat anything.



JWO02, I analyzed your diets for calories twice in your diet log. You ate 1400 calories yesterday.

I've given you a lot of contructive criticism, and I hope I never came across as being a dick to you, because that has not been my intention at all. Frankly, you need help with your diet. And, I've told you what you need to do, but you don't listen. Others have told you what you should do, but you still ignore them and keep eating 1500-2000 calories a day and are baffled at why you aren't getting big. You have this notion that eating 2 pieces of bread and a couple eggs for breakfast, and snacking on apple slices and peanut between meals is what you need to do to get. ITS NOT.

+1 kudos bro, in this sport personally i believe diet is 90% of the game, without that... your just spinning your wheels!

 

[jwo02]

I have never expressed any confusion as to why I am not gaining size...I KNOW I AM IN A CALORIE DEFICIT. For the last fucking time SIZE IS NOT MY CONCERN. DEFINITION IS.


Just because my goal isn't your goal doesn't make it wrong. When I get the look I want I can then adjust my calories so that my body can support more muscle mass.


For those who care, cycle will roughly be:


Week Compound Dose
1-4 Anavar 50 MGs/day
1-15 Test C 250 MGs twice/week
1-15 Adex .5 MGs/day
11-15 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 60 MGs/day

 

[V-Machine]

Unfortunately it is your original post that caused any confusion over your goals.

I quote: 'Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity'

You say yourself that you want to gain LBM whilst dropping fat. So 1400 calories would definitely be wrong for you. You also say:

'Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels'

Wanting to 'go big' and avoid 'little shit' will tend to provoke a negative reaction on most sites including this one.

Also:

'I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.'

Wanting somebody to sort your PCT out whilst you 'go big' will get a poor reaction for lots of reasons including being lazy.

Anyway, your goals seem to have changed since post one. Hence the confusion and nature of the responses. By the way, I thought you were going elsewhere to a site where they would help you?

I have never expressed any confusion as to why I am not gaining size...I KNOW I AM IN A CALORIE DEFICIT. For the last fucking time SIZE IS NOT MY CONCERN. DEFINITION IS.


Just because my goal isn't your goal doesn't make it wrong. When I get the look I want I can then adjust my calories so that my body can support more muscle mass.


For those who care, cycle will roughly be:


Week Compound Dose
1-4 Anavar 50 MGs/day
1-15 Test C 250 MGs twice/week
1-15 Adex .5 MGs/day
11-15 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 60 MGs/day

 

[OneBreath]

be wary of who you say the thread title to around here!

LOL, this thread needs a laugh. I feel responsible for starting the thread off on a bad note. I just wanted to help you with your diet first. We want you to succeed and without the diet in check you will be disappointed. Trust me, i've been there myself.

Here's what i would do, don't run deca on your first cycle. Stick with test and a DHT like the anavar you have listed.

1-12 Test c or e 500mg once per week (splitting into 2 doses won't make much of a difference at just 500mg)
7-13 Anavar 50mg per day

Then 4 weeks PCT with PP test recovery stack, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, and maybe a little nolva.

Now for the adex, start it at .5 per day only if you start to feel a bit bloated. You shouldn't even possibly feel this way until week 3 or 4.

 

[jwo02]

Gracias gracis gracias. That's the kind of post I was looking for, but why 12 weeks instead of 15?


Vials I'm getting are 250 MG/ML at 10ML/vial, so at 500MGs/week three vials will do me for 15 weeks. Is there any significant reason to cut the last three weeks out?


I'll be running HCG 250 IUs/week for two weeks at the end of the cycle, too, is that good?

 

[sweed]

For the record I am cutting. I am not on AS. I am losing a ton of fat and retaining (actually increasing lbm) muscle doing this. it can be done. Cut first by not eating so damn low in cals that you do start burning muscle or energy and doing tons of cardio.
There are a few bro's in here that are in the same boat (or training program) as me and will tell you the same thing. diet is soo important with an equal focus to training.
btw no more being hostel and calling everyone "fucking pathetic". We are helping you, so please be respectful.

 

[OneBreath]

Gracias gracis gracias. That's the kind of post I was looking for, but why 12 weeks instead of 15?


Vials I'm getting are 250 MG/ML at 10ML/vial, so at 500MGs/week three vials will do me for 15 weeks. Is there any significant reason to cut the last three weeks out?


I'll be running HCG 250 IUs/week for two weeks at the end of the cycle, too, is that good?

You can go 15. 12 or sometimes even 10 is recommended for a first. Running HCG is a smart thing and makes recovery much smoother. I have learned from the good bros here though to run it throughout the cycle instead of at the end.