PLEASE Help! PP? Nelson? Test Levels came Back 25

[dasher]

PLEASE HELP Test Levels came Back 25!!!

I was on for 5 weeks only(yes 5 weeks) 40mg of anavar, 300 mg of test PROP and 400 mg of Primobolan. My baseline test level is 302. I researched pct and came to the conclusion I may not even need pct because of the short cycle. But i went and bought Dermacrine, post cycle, unleashed toco-8 and endoamp. I took 6 pills a day of both unleashed and post cycle and did derma every morn, 4 pumps. NO Nolva No hcg. I finished my cycle march 20th. I got tested april 15th and my test cam e back 25. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???? WHAT DO I DO. mY DOC IS FREAKING AS WELL. Please help, minimal flaming please..im very concerned thankshttp://www.elitefitness.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
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[dasher]

I was on for 5 weeks only(yes 5 weeks) 40mg of anavar, 300 mg of test PROP and 400 mg of Primobolan. My baseline test level id 302. I researched pct and came to the conclusion i may not even need pct because of the short cycle. But i went and bought Dermacaine, post cycle, unleashed toco-5 and endoamp. I took 6 pills a day of both unleashed and post cycle and did derma every morn, 4 pumps. NO Nolva No hcg. I finished my cycle march 20th. I got tested april 15th and my test cam e back 25. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???? WHAT DO I DO. mY DOC IS FREAKING AS WELL. Please help, minmal flaming please..im so concerned thanks

BTW when i was tested in March while I was "on" My test level cam back at 24500!

 

[ALIN]

I was on for 5 weeks only(yes 5 weeks) 40mg of anavar, 300 mg of test PROP and 400 mg of Primobolan. My baseline test level id 302. I researched pct and came to the conclusion i may not even need pct because of the short cycle. But i went and bought Dermacaine, post cycle, unleashed toco-5 and endoamp. I took 6 pills a day of both unleashed and post cycle and did derma every morn, 4 pumps. NO Nolva No hcg. I finished my cycle march 20th. I got tested april 15th and my test cam e back 25. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???? WHAT DO I DO. mY DOC IS FREAKING AS WELL. Please help, minmal flaming please..im so concerned thanks

your doctor couldnt hel p you either or does he not know of your AAS use?

 

[flexdaddyz71]

Damn Bro! Thats crazy as hell! Keep us all posted!

 

[dasher]

Damn Bro! Thats crazy as hell! Keep us all posted!

No my Doctor knows Everything I was on. He told me to take HCC 1000iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg of nova everyday for 6 weeks. Any Help Guys?

 

[Harleymarleybone]

No my Doctor knows Everything I was on. He told me to take HCC 1000iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg of nova everyday for 6 weeks. Any Help Guys?

Just do the above, though 1000 HCG eod seems extreme. What did you expect? 5 weeks of any AAS is going to shut you down. And it takes time to get back up.

 

[needtogetaas]

Well first off I am thinking the fact that you took dermacrine after the cycle. Rather then sustain alpha may have had something to do with it. Its more like staying on a light cycle when taken right after a cycle then it is pct. So its more like you kept the cycle going then did pct.

That being said I think what the doc told you to do should work fine. If not then you could have a bigger problem. Please get back to us after.

 

[youngbuck22]

No my Doctor knows Everything I was on. He told me to take HCC 1000iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg of nova everyday for 6 weeks. Any Help Guys?

Well i dont know about your doctor, but my doctor is extremely knowledge able with AAS. So i would stick to what he says, and see what happens

 

[swole]

No my Doctor knows Everything I was on. He told me to take HCC 1000iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg of nova everyday for 6 weeks. Any Help Guys?

do what your doc said, especially if he prescribed the HCG and nolva

i would have definitely recommended the HCG as well as some HMG if you didn't post what your doc already suggested

 

[needtogetaas]

O ya and you should have also run hcg during or after the cycle. There is no replacement for hcg. Not clomid not nolva nothing can replace hcg.

 

[Varga]

I was on for 5 weeks only(yes 5 weeks) 40mg of anavar, 300 mg of test PROP and 400 mg of Primobolan. My baseline test level is 302. I researched pct and came to the conclusion I may not even need pct because of the short cycle. But i went and bought Dermacrine, post cycle, unleashed toco-8 and endoamp. I took 6 pills a day of both unleashed and post cycle and did derma every morn, 4 pumps. NO Nolva No hcg. I finished my cycle march 20th. I got tested april 15th and my test cam e back 25. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???? WHAT DO I DO. mY DOC IS FREAKING AS WELL. Please help, minimal flaming please..im very concerned thankshttp://www.elitefitness.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
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You have answered your own question in your post believe it or not! No pun intended bro
This also shows that there no advantage of doing shorter cycles rather than longer ones...
Also, 25 is so low that by the looks of it you did a 8 weeks cycles with no PCT. You are totally shut down

It's a shot in the dark BUT it looks like your pituaitary has gone fishing....
How are your nuts, full size or shrunk a little? If your nuts are somewhat normal your pituitary has closed shop. Pray that when you recover your test level wont be 200 or less cause that;s not good

If your nuts are small you might be lucky with HCG but I put my money on the pituitary being shut down hard.
Good luck man

 

[Nelson Montana]

That is way too extreme to be normal. I'm afraid it may be a pituitary condition but I don't know your history or circumstances.

Length of time most certainly is a factor in suppression and recovery.

The supps should follow HCG or they won;t have anything to do. In other words, UNLEASHED will increase the amount of FREE testosterone you have, but if the total is 25 there isn't much to work with.

I've known guys who've done a gram of sus a week for months with no PCT and their T level was in the two hundreds. (Low, but still).

That sucks bro.

Give it time and get another test. Feel better soon.

 

[splperformance]

like needto said, there is no replacement for HCG...shoot on cycle and post cycle as well to help keep those natty receptors kicking so you don't get a test level of 25...but definitely keep us posted

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

No my Doctor knows Everything I was on. He told me to take HCC 1000iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg of nova everyday for 6 weeks. Any Help Guys?

Try taking it?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Slow recovery and double digit testosterone numbers are actually fairly common. I don't believe this is unusual at all.

Nelson is spot on though. If your body is not producing much testosterone, there will not be much to free up with compounds that lower SHBG.

 

[dasher]

Slow recovery and double digit testosterone numbers are actually fairly common. I don't believe this is unusual at all.

Nelson is spot on though. If your body is not producing much testosterone, there will not be much to free up with compounds that lower SHBG.

Guys Thank You for your input, it makes a bro feel not so alone. So Should I NOT BE TAKING....UNLEASHED AND POST CYCLE ANYMORE. Cause i ordered two more bottles thay. And I got yesterday and I never stopped DERMA...should I? I took my first HCG shot yesterday and am going to continue for 30 days like my doc said. It is some chinese stuff so he didnt subscribe it and i took my first 20mg of NOLVA yesterday and will continue every day...

 

[muscleup]

Yes stop the Derma....It's almost like a lite Prohormone that will hinder your natural recovery{Try Sustain Alpha}....I would think that Nelsons supps would not hurt at all, may actually help....I also would try what your Dr. suggested and see how this does you.

I know a guy whos levels came back @14....So don't feel that bad. TIME will always allow your body to recover, unless there is a pre-exisiting condition...Just stay mentally strong and you can get through this.

 

[dasher]

Yes stop the Derma....It's almost like a lite Prohormone that will hinder your natural recovery{Try Sustain Alpha}....I would think that Nelsons supps would not hurt at all, may actually help....I also would try what your Dr. suggested and see how this does you.

I know a guy whos levels came back @14....So don't feel that bad. TIME will always allow your body to recover, unless there is a pre-exisiting condition...Just stay mentally strong and you can get through this.

Yes i will stay on Nelsons supps and add Sustan Alpha...Thanks....ANy idea how long this will take to get to over 200

 

[muscleup]

You will be suprised it can happen quickly if the right pathway is chosen....Just remember that time will get your body back to homestasis. Give yourself a good 4-6 week PCT and then go get tested 4 weeks after coming of ALL PCT compounds.

Recovery is ALWAYS possible unless you have a pre-exisiting condition...Which would not hurt to get checked for.{Testicular cancer, Pituitary tumors, thyroid failure, many factors}

Just remember....Time and Patience and not stressing out over it and you will soon be back on track. Positive thinking will take you a long way brotha.

Yes i will stay on Nelsons supps and add Sustan Alpha...Thanks....ANy idea how long this will take to get to over 200

 

[dasher]

You will be suprised it can happen quickly if the right pathway is chosen....Just remember that time will get your body back to homestasis. Give yourself a good 4-6 week PCT and then go get tested 4 weeks after coming of ALL PCT compounds.

Recovery is ALWAYS possible unless you have a pre-exisiting condition...Which would not hurt to get checked for.{Testicular cancer, Pituitary tumors, thyroid failure, many factors}

Just remember....Time and Patience and not stressing out over it and you will soon be back on track. Positive thinking will take you a long way brotha.

Uggh. So i guess no Gear for Summer of 2008. Man that has to suck I just turned 40 and I wanted to look my best. My health is more important I know

 

[Nelson Montana]

You will be suprised it can happen quickly if the right pathway is chosen....Just remember that time will get your body back to homestasis. Give yourself a good 4-6 week PCT and then go get tested 4 weeks after coming of ALL PCT compounds.

Recovery is ALWAYS possible unless you have a pre-exisiting condition...Which would not hurt to get checked for.{Testicular cancer, Pituitary tumors, thyroid failure, many factors}

Just remember....Time and Patience and not stressing out over it and you will soon be back on track. Positive thinking will take you a long way brotha.

Good advice. The lesson for all here is, you never know how gear will affect you and some people are more susceptable to the bad sides than others. Some guys can do drol and halo and their blood levels are fine, someone else does a couple of dbol and their cholesterol goes over 300.

The supps will definetely help but don't take them until you're on the HCG and they have something to work with. That seems like an awful lot of HCG but you have to go with the docs advice at this point. Not so sure about the nolva. YOu may want to wait and see how the HCG works. I'd advise using dex to combat the estro from the HCG.

ABSOLUTELY no cycles for the rest of the year! Then, since you're 40, you should look into HRT.

 

[centy]

Not to bring this thread to a screeching halt, and I'm not trying to hop on anyone's jock, but I really like the tone of this thread and the advice this bro is being given. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. (Refreshing change from the flamefest I just read on another board.)

And it's great to see Bill Llewellyn posting here.

 

[dasher]

Not to bring this thread to a screeching halt, and I'm not trying to hop on anyone's jock, but I really like the tone of this thread and the advice this bro is being given. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. (Refreshing change from the flamefest I just read on another board.)

And it's great to see Bill Llewellyn posting here.

Me too..The guys on here really seem to know when someone really needs help and is not just being a dumbass Thanks...any other thoughts if any are welcome

 

[centy]

I'm curious - Does it feel as crummy I expect ultra-low test levels would feel? i.e. Did you expect them to be bottomed out based on how you felt?

 

[dasher]

I'm curious - Does it feel as crummy I expect ultra-low test levels would feel? i.e. Did you expect them to be bottomed out based on how you felt?

Honestly. I feel ok. and i am 40 and lift more than my 25 yr old employess. My strength is ok. and i havent gained fat...so its a lil confusing....kinda weird

 

[dasher]

Honestly. I feel ok. and i am 40 and lift more than my 25 yr old employess. My strength is ok. and i havent gained fat...so its a lil confusing....kinda weird

Ill keep you guys posted

 

[dasher]

Uggh. So i guess no Gear for Summer of 2008. Man that has to suck I just turned 40 and I wanted to look my best. My health is more important I know

bump

 

[Big_Joe]

If your pituitary isn't producing LH and FSH at the normal levels your test levels will fall after you stop the HCG. Directlabs does have a test to check both luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone. If these levels are normal then you will recover. If they are not you just might need HRT. You might as well get it checked now so you don't waste your time and money on products that will not help you when you could be spending your time and money on HRT that will help.

Here is a link for directlabs:Direct Labs

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Uggh. So i guess no Gear for Summer of 2008. Man that has to suck I just turned 40 and I wanted to look my best. My health is more important I know

It's almost certain your levels are low because of your former cycle. You could go back on in the summer and be just fine - only delaying what you need to do anyway to restart your HPTA. It's silly to do short cycles anyway - making your hormones go through an endless series of fluctuations.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

I'm curious - Does it feel as crummy I expect ultra-low test levels would feel? i.e. Did you expect them to be bottomed out based on how you felt?

I once had a test level of 60 after a test/ deca cycle. I didn't feel that bad actually. Libido was a little low, but I was 50 anyway. Either had sex with my wife or took it into my own hands 3 or 4 times a week

Come to think of it, I did a lot of redecorating, and watched Oprah everyday. Haha. Just kidding.

 

[dasher]

I once had a test level of 60 after a test/ deca cycle. I didn't feel that bad actually. Libido was a little low, but I was 50 anyway. Either had sex with my wife or took it into my own hands 3 or 4 times a week

Come to think of it, I did a lot of redecorating, and watched Oprah everyday. Haha. Just kidding.

OK GUYS..So im taking HCG 100iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg Nolva every day for 30 days(Instructions from Doc) Hope this i good advice. I almost can get my hands on 10 pills of clomid. Would this be Helpful or harmful and how should i administer it..if its a good idea. Thanks

 

[muscleup]

Yes the clomid would help...Divide them so they become 25 mgs per pill take one EOD...Clomid is horribly used online, the doseages I see are what responsible for all the negative side effects. 25 mgs of Clomid is a whopping does in regards to HPTA stimulization. Also ask your Dr. to taper you off the Nolvadex....First 2 weeks@20mgs per day, 3-4week@10mgs. When Serms are used by endocrinologist{Experienced ones with ASIH, Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism} they tend to taper down as the HPTA slowly senses the decrease in the serm and takes over even more so from that point on.

Keep calm, don't stress or freak out, and just know that your body will reach homestasis..It craves it.

 

[Tatyana]

Uggh. So i guess no Gear for Summer of 2008. Man that has to suck I just turned 40 and I wanted to look my best. My health is more important I know

I always wonder about this with men. What is the point of LOOKING all buff and muscular (most women don't appreciate it anyway), if your willy is not going to work and you won't be able to DO anything with your great looking body?

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?

I think sexual well-being is tied in very strongly with mental well-being in men.

I suppose I have seen far too many of my mates lose their libidos for extended periods of time. I know as they ask me how they can deal with their partners when they are feeling unwanted, not realising it has nothing to do with them.

 

[dasher]

I always wonder about this with men. What is the point of LOOKING all buff and muscular (most women don't appreciate it anyway), if your willy is not going to work and you won't be able to DO anything with your great looking body?

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?

I think sexual well-being is tied in very strongly with mental well-being in men.

I suppose I have seen far too many of my mates lose their libidos for extended periods of time. I know as they ask me how they can deal with their partners when they are feeling unwanted, not realising it has nothing to do with them.

Thanks for the input ill go pick up the clomid....

 

[Varga]

Did you do any blood work done besides just the test level?
Reason I'm saying is that doctors need to know what they are treating before giving you any meds.....seems kind weird to just give you HCG on a simple blood test. Usually it doesn't work like that

 

[dasher]

Did you do any blood work done besides just the test level?
Reason I'm saying is that doctors need to know what they are treating before giving you any meds.....seems kind weird to just give you HCG on a simple blood test. Usually it doesn't work like that

Hey Varga,
Weel he tested Liver, Lipids and test. He knows im on shit...he is in the 'know"

 

[perryscoon]

Hey Varga,
Weel he tested Liver, Lipids and test. He knows im on shit...he is in the 'know"

Out of curiosity, how did you go about getting your doc "in the know" and how did you know he wasn't going to put it in your file for your insurance company to see?

 

[dasher]

Out of curiosity, how did you go about getting your doc "in the know" and how did you know he wasn't going to put it in your file for your insurance company to see?

Well, Its kinda like where you get your gear. Its a person that only certain have the in. I was lucky enough for him to accept me as his patient. So i was recommended to him. I msure there are a few in every state out there if you search hard enough

 

[Varga]

Hey Varga,
Weel he tested Liver, Lipids and test. He knows im on shit...he is in the 'know"

I hear u bro, however, every medication that is controled which is given to you is monitored. If the DEA suspect something fishy going on this doc will be investigated. I mean he can watch the protocols he gives out to ppl but he can't deviate too much from the standard HRT methods.
He also needs to have paperwork to back his decission up, that's why I asked about the what he tested for....usually a testoeterone test involves LH and few other things to determine a cause.
Be careful bro, shit can go downhill quicker than you know