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Phyto-test / Dermacrine Results (progress) Log

digitizedsoul said:
PP did you see that link I posted earlier in my thread here?

Just curious your take on that...
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Yes, I took a brief look at it.

They definitely used a poor method of delivery for the methoxyisoflavone (one 800mg capsule) that likely contributed to the lack of better results. The method of “significant” didn’t make much sense either.

Either way, we know from personal experience and many anecdotal reports that that strength, size and endurance gains are quite real with proper supplementation with this ingredient.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Yes, I took a brief look at it.

They definitely used a poor method of delivery for the methoxyisoflavone (one 800mg capsule) that likely contributed to the lack of better results. The method of “significant” didn’t make much sense either.

Either way, we know from personal experience and many anecdotal reports that that strength, size and endurance gains are quite real with proper supplementation with this ingredient.

-Pp
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Yeah i'm about to post an update to the progress thread, i'll let it speak for itself as far as "results" go :D :D :D
 
Update:

Feb 1st will be day one of week 4, so i'm two days out from that.

I must say that the Phyto must be kicking in big time because at the start of this past week I could tell I was getting bigger, and FAST. It is the same feeling you get when you start any good test cycle and around wk 3 you start just getting much fuller and can feel the gains.

Having done sustanon for a full 10wks in the past, I know that feeling well and I must say I feel VERY much like I did then, however I noticed that the ridiculous amount of aggression isn't there, or the desire to wrap folks up in arm bars just because I know how to execute one very well.

My vascularity is EASILY 2x what it was at the start. When doing a double bicep pose, I can see my veins all along my biceps / triceps and even going across my delts and into my pecs. I have NEVER been able to see these before, and my BF% is still a bit high in my opinion for them to even be visible, but they are turning into garden hoses so its kinda hard to hide, even under a thin layer of fat.


To sum it up, my strength has been consistently going up, shoulders are tonight and I plan on increasing all weight on all lifts AGAIN for the 3rd week in a row. Also my size is increasing probably at an even higher rate then my strength is. The scale hasn't moved much, i'm hovering around 185-186, but I HAVE lost BF since starting. I am not going to lie, the lipoflame / amp02 combo is GREAT for having energy, burning fat while you sit at a desk all day at work, and pre-workout to make a weight lifting session a freakin aerobic nightmare :D

I feel great, i've MEMORIZED the dermacrine "feeling", and I look forward too it minutes after applying. It's almost like I wake up craving that initial "aromatic oil" smell that you get when you first start rubbing it in. You can actually feel it going in your nose, it has a feeling kinda like Vicks vapor rub, but not as strong and only lasts for a minute or two.

The Phyto-test has made me easily 2x as hungry too. Where before I would eat breakfast, and usually last till lunchtime, now I get up, INSTANTLY starving, down a protein shake (300 calories) and get on the road. Within 30 mins i'm STARVING again and usually eat a chicken biscuit or two. I'm usually hungry again before lunchtime.... I mean its actually ridiculous but i'm loving it!!!

This stuff is the real deal guys, no biased opinion or anything. I'm just a skinny guy trying to get swole I have no reason to alter results in any way. I'm just stoked i'm getting such good gains! I can't believe this stuff is legal!!!!
 
By the way,

Whoever keeps throwing K my way, props to you! I know it doesn't mean much in reality, but here on the board it helps me to hold some credibility when trying to help folks out.

Apparently post count / K count mean a lot?
 
UPDATE:

Well shoulders were last night, and they were smokin bro's.... smokin.

I should have pressed the 75lb dumbells, because I got the 70's no problem for like 10 reps with some gas left. After 3 sets I just went to the next excercise mentally noting to up the poundage next week.

My strength felt unreal. I pressed 110lbs per arm on the hammer strength shoulder press, right after doing the dumbells. That is WAY more then I could budge on that same machine 4wks ago. I barely matched my poundage on dumbells, now I am a few plates from the bottom!!!!!!!

Vascularity was increased this week as well from last week. I'm not sure how much of this is from the NO2 in the amp02, or from the phyto test. Either way its a welcomed effect.

Triceps were also smokin. I went UP in weight on overhead tricep extensions with a single dumbell from last week, AND went up in reps. Thats an increase in BOTH from just 1wk. And the funny thing is, I could have gone HEAVIER!!! Next week i'm going balls out, no holding back.

I use a tricep pushdown or semi-dip machine also, and i'm 2 plates shy of the bottom of the stack on that now also. I had to get a guy to set a 45lb plate on my legs when I started, because the weight I was using was like almost 50lbs heavier then I am!!!

Sorry for all the !!!'s i'm just so stoked at all this. Results do a LOT for morale...
 
centy said:
Good fkn thread, bro
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Thnx mate, im doing my best to keep it current.

Oh and PS to those follwoing.

Today is day 1 of Week 4. I started on the 10th of Jan.
Day 1 of Week 2 I upped the dose of phyto from 2x4ml a day to 3x4ml a day.

Just an FYI...
 
How much weight have you gained? You have said you are bigger...i'd like to hear how much bigger you are?
 
nab12 said:
How much weight have you gained? You have said you are bigger...i'd like to hear how much bigger you are?
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Actually I'd like to SEE how big he has got, he looks quite TINY in the pic hes got up here , so yes - it would be interesting to see how big he's got over time with the use of all these products.
 
r0han said:
Actually I'd like to SEE how big he has got, he looks quite TINY in the pic hes got up here , so yes - it would be interesting to see how big he's got over time with the use of all these products.
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http://i25.tinypic.com/2wn791k.jpg <-- Shoulder growth
http://i32.tinypic.com/116kll1.jpg <-- Bicep growth
http://i31.tinypic.com/288a3pj.jpg <-- Overall upper body growth / BF% loss

I got frustrated with how terrible my cell phone takes pictures, as well as the lighting in my bathroom.

I'll take some more, and of leg development / back development as well, but those are harder to take of yourself.

I'm still a skinny bro, and I only weigh 185. The scale hasn't moved much at all since I started, but i've lost a lot of BF around my stomach / waist so i'm not sure how much has been a trade off. I KNOW i've gained LBM just in how I feel, look, & how clothes fit that i've worn all year.

Hope this satisfies..
 
So opinions? Criticism? Mockage of my lack of size lol?

Anything is something I don't yet know so fire away.

Those are week 4 progress pics out of a 10wk cycle of phyto / derma /amp02 / lipoflame
 
Awesome thread man. Glad to hear about the progress.

So it seems like the lipoflame is working pretty well? I'm not going to use amp02 but I'm gonna start lipoflame in a month to cut up.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Awesome thread man. Glad to hear about the progress.

So it seems like the lipoflame is working pretty well? I'm not going to use amp02 but I'm gonna start lipoflame in a month to cut up.
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The key is cardio. If you do lipoflame, AND do cardio while the effects are peaking you WILL loose fat for sure.

I have been neglecting cardio big time because i'm being a calorie hoard for my mass gains right now on the phyto... however I love the way it makes me feel and the clear headed feeling I get from it. Also it makes your body temp go up considerably (at least for me) while you are idle.
 
I was planning on taking it in the morning before work to wake up. I don't usually go the gym til after work. I guess when I start taking it I should do some cardio in the morning before work, after it kicks in then? How fast does it kick in, and when does it peak? Also do you take it multiple times a day?
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I was planning on taking it in the morning before work to wake up. I don't usually go the gym til after work. I guess when I start taking it I should do some cardio in the morning before work, after it kicks in then? How fast does it kick in, and when does it peak? Also do you take it multiple times a day?
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Heres my routine:

3 Caps AM, gets me going real nice. I take them on an empty stomach while I shower and apply derma. I take another 3 caps (usually sometimes 2) with fruit @ lunchtime (after eating so they don't kick in instantly like in the AM) then I will take one more but not always with my 6-8 amp02's pre-workout. On non training days this step is left out as I don't take the amp02 on non training days.

Start slow though, if you have never taken it you'll feel one cap. You can ramp up from there. 3 caps out of the gate will have you climbing the wall.
 
UPDATE:

Today being Day 2 of Week 4, i'm debating on switching phyto test doseage from 3x4ml a day to 4x4ml a day. Split evenly throughout the time i'm awake to maintain consistent blood levels.

Any comments on that eric?
 
digitizedsoul said:
Heres my routine:

3 Caps AM, gets me going real nice. I take them on an empty stomach while I shower and apply derma. I take another 3 caps (usually sometimes 2) with fruit @ lunchtime (after eating so they don't kick in instantly like in the AM) then I will take one more but not always with my 6-8 amp02's pre-workout. On non training days this step is left out as I don't take the amp02 on non training days.

Start slow though, if you have never taken it you'll feel one cap. You can ramp up from there. 3 caps out of the gate will have you climbing the wall.
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I tend to be pretty sensitive to stimulants so that would be probably be a good idea for me to ramp up like you said.

Is the standard dose 3 caps? If so would it be right to take like 1 cap in the morning and 2 in the middle of the day so I've been on them for a couple hours before the gym (assuming that I've ramped up to taking 3 a day)? I just don't want to take them too late because I'll be up all night. Also how long do they last?
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I tend to be pretty sensitive to stimulants so that would be probably be a good idea for me to ramp up like you said.

Is the standard dose 3 caps? If so would it be right to take like 1 cap in the morning and 2 in the middle of the day so I've been on them for a couple hours before the gym (assuming that I've ramped up to taking 3 a day)? I just don't want to take them too late because I'll be up all night. Also how long do they last?
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I've never had experience with this keeping me from sleeping, and i've taken them as late as 7PM. Its hard to describe the "natural" energy feeling you get, but because its so natrual, you can almost control or throttle it. For example, you get mega amped, but you can calm yourself down easily by just thinking that. If you "think" amped up, you get that way and FAST. Kinda cool actually.

4 caps is the recomended dose, but Omega encourages everyone to play with that to whatever suites them. I prefer 3 as 4 makes my body temp go up a little too much for work, I will start sweating and it looks unproffesional.
 
Just started reading your log, sounds great. I just finished an 8 week cycle of dermacrine last week and all I can say is wow!! I'm now pulsing some Havoc and Blue Up but not getting the results I did from the dermacrine. Can't wait for my four weeks to end so I can start back. I see your living here in bid "Hotlanta". I'm 20 minutes west of there. Keep us informed of the progress.
 
digitizedsoul said:
I will start sweating and it looks unproffesional.
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LOL I already sweat all day at work, but thats from the trenbolone :p

When I stack the lipoflame with the trenbolone I'm gonna be soaked!

Thanks for all the info man :beer:
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
LOL I already sweat all day at work, but thats from the trenbolone :p

When I stack the lipoflame with the trenbolone I'm gonna be soaked!

Thanks for all the info man :beer:
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WHOA lol, this plus tren will have you night sweating 3lbs off haha. Better get the rubber sheets out..


Ya i'm in the ATL area, Winder right now, but moving back into the roswell area shortly. I'm tired of driving 1.5hrs one way to work everyday :(
 
digitizedsoul said:
UPDATE:

Today being Day 2 of Week 4, i'm debating on switching phyto test doseage from 3x4ml a day to 4x4ml a day. Split evenly throughout the time i'm awake to maintain consistent blood levels.

Any comments on that eric?
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Bump for my progress pics & this inquiry?
 
digitizedsoul said:
WHOA lol, this plus trenbolone will have you night sweating 3lbs off haha. Better get the rubber sheets out..


Ya i'm in the ATL area, Winder right now, but moving back into the roswell area shortly. I'm tired of driving 1.5hrs one way to work everyday :(
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Yeah, I'm in the big city of Powder Springs. Thank God I don't have to deal with the traffic.
 
Hell yeah brutha. This stuff sounds amazing. I am going to be starting Dermacrine soon followed by Sustain and now I gotta get this too. Damn PP. :)
 
needtogetaas said:
Its like a drug to him now bro. He is hooked and its only going to get worse lol
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Man you guys see right through me :D

Oh well.... I want to test the limits for the remaining 6wks. Both in training, diet & with my phyto dose :D
 
UPDATE:

This one will be quick, i mean the superbowl IS on and all...

Chest / Biceps / Calves (3x a week for those) was tonight

Workout was incredible, my vascularity is up i'd say at LEAST another 20% from last weeks chest workout. I have visible veins now in my pecs going up into my delts and into my armpits i never saw before in my life. After doing the wide chest hammer strength with 3 plates, that particular region was SUPER vascular.

I got 225 on bench again this week, but for a solid 8 reps for 3 sets. That is a massive improvement from last weeks 6 and 5 for two sets. Also incline felt MUCH stronger, although I used the same weight as last week as well.

My pumps were insane, my chest was bigger with this pump then its ever been. I need to get some cocoa butter for my side chest area to prevent pending stretch marks.

Biceps were great too, i always change that workout up a bit depending on what my bi's are receiving the most damage from. Bi's and calves are one of those muscles you have to "feel" working (at least for me) in order to get ANY results. No swinging the bar like a pendulum for me.....


I am now doing 4x4ml a day (TWICE the normal phyto dose) and loving every minute of it. My calories are between 3000 & 3500 I would estimate (give or take 200 calories). My weight is around the same (today was 186.7) but seems to be on the rise now finally. I am still dropping BF as well, i've been keeping recovery time nill so my heartrate stays high. I have also been sweating my freakin nuts off my whole workout instead of just after my like last couple excercises.


GO GIANTS... back to the game.
 
digitizedsoul said:
HA!!

186.7lbs yesterday... i'd LOVE to be 220lbs thats my goal :)
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What are you 5'4" or something? I outweigh you by 20lbs but you wouldent know from your pics.
 
KD1 said:
What are you 5'4" or something? I outweigh you by 20lbs but you wouldent know from your pics.
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6ft.

All my stats are in my first post (stats as of starting).

Dude this stuff has me jacked looking. MEGA pumps, I mean its the real deal.... I really hope I can break 200lbs this year..
 
digitizedsoul said:
GO GIANTS!!!!

Now THATS motivation for tomorrows leg workout..... my girl won't like it though as she's a new englander :D
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Yeah whatever we still broke tons of records this season. And we'll be back next time.

Back to your thread, you're lookin pretty good.

Excited to see you on V-Day, buddy :busy:
 
Good job on this log. i have been lurking around and this is some good info. I just purchased two bottles of the Phyto and some Toco8 (thanks again Needto) and I plan on running it with some reg derma I have stashed. I might chime in every once in a while to give my progress if that is OK. I don't want to hijack your thread. Peace.
 
Jocephus said:
Good job on this log. i have been lurking around and this is some good info. I just purchased two bottles of the Phyto and some Toco8 (thanks again Needto) and I plan on running it with some reg derma I have stashed. I might chime in every once in a while to give my progress if that is OK. I don't want to hijack your thread. Peace.
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No worries bro, this thread is for information sharing purposes. If you've got information, share it! Hi-jack is just a word anyway :D
 
RoxanaStar said:
Yeah whatever we still broke tons of records this season. And we'll be back next time.

Back to your thread, you're lookin pretty good.

Excited to see you on V-Day, buddy :busy:
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Aww :heart:

V-day indeed!
 
Did I mention how much I love dermacrine? I leave whats left all over my hands just so I can close them around my nose and inhale all those oils.

MMMMM.... :chomp: :chomp: :chomp:
 
UPDATE:

Guys i'm struggling with some kinda chest cold / cough / fever GARBAGE. I missed yesterday AND today's training sessions and its been a pretty big chore trying to force down calories with this feeling too.

I am staying steady on all the supp's, hopefully i'll be training again soon.

Man I HATE getting sick, its literally been a year since I was last sick. What gives? :worried:
 
digitizedsoul said:
UPDATE:

Guys i'm struggling with some kinda chest cold / cough / fever GARBAGE. I missed yesterday AND today's training sessions and its been a pretty big chore trying to force down calories with this feeling too.

I am staying steady on all the supp's, hopefully i'll be training again soon.

Man I HATE getting sick, its literally been a year since I was last sick. What gives? :worried:
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Maybe the stuff is so potent you got test flu! :)
 
perryscoon said:
Maybe the stuff is potent you got test flu! :)
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You know? I was thinking that.... I DID get Test flu during my sustanon / eq / winny / dbol cycle last year...

This stuff is def potent i wanna train so bad :( :(
 
digitizedsoul said:
You know? I was thinking that.... I DID get Test flu during my sustanon / Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - / Winstrol - stanozolol / Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle last year...

This stuff is def potent i wanna train so bad :( :(
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I usually take Theraflu when I get bad colds. Is nice for sore throats too.
 
digitizedsoul said:
You know? I was thinking that.... I DID get Test flu during my sustanon / Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - / Winstrol - stanozolol / Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle last year...

This stuff is def potent i wanna train so bad :( :(
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Dude...you're kidding right? Lmao!
 
digitizedsoul said:
You know? I was thinking that.... I DID get Test flu during my sustanon / Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - / Winstrol - stanozolol / Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle last year...

This stuff is def potent i wanna train so bad :( :(
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Gets some liquid "host defense". That stuff increases killer cells 300%. It will knock you back into shape in no time.

-Pp
 
UPDATE:

Well I went to the Dr. today after missing 2.5days of work and 3 training days. Apparently I have an aggressive new strain of influenza. I have lost 5lbs in the last 3 days too :(

Im sure a lot of that is water, but it still hurts like a mother to see that on the scale :(

Hopefully when this subsides i'll be back at it next week. This whole week has been a disaster of monstrous proportions health wise.

Sorry guys! I know this probably throws off my log a bit....
 
UPDATE:

Well I feel a lot better today, i'm even comtemplating hitting the gym tomorrow for shoulders / triceps. I am definitely on the downhill of this pure flu TRASH. I need to get my metabolism / calorie intake back to normal today before even thinking of training.

If those 5lbs I lost don't bounce back though..... :sulk:
 
UPDATE:

Well I decided to just call the past week a whole wash, and start over with chest / bi's again. I was seriously questioning my ability to train intensly or even at all considering fighting that flu for 6 days straight, but I decided to give it a go anyway.

My only problem was that I didn't intake enough calories especially carbs before training, and that really kicked my butt halfway through.

However, I was expecting my strength to have fell through the floor, but actually I got 225 again for 3 sets just like last week, AND I actually went UP on incline to 185!!! That is just insane! I couldn't believe it. The rest of my chest workout went great, and everything felt surprisingly light. I wasn't able to finish the session and do Biceps though because I was just getting way too dizzy and could tell my blood sugar was nill.

But hey that is a serious report in my opinion considering I was so sick the past week I couldn't eat, drink or even function normally. Looks like meat is BACK on the menu boys :evil:
 
digitizedsoul said:
UPDATE:

Well I decided to just call the past week a whole wash, and start over with chest / bi's again. I was seriously questioning my ability to train intensly or even at all considering fighting that flu for 6 days straight, but I decided to give it a go anyway.

My only problem was that I didn't intake enough calories especially carbs before training, and that really kicked my butt halfway through.

However, I was expecting my strength to have fell through the floor, but actually I got 225 again for 3 sets just like last week, AND I actually went UP on incline to 185!!! That is just insane! I couldn't believe it. The rest of my chest workout went great, and everything felt surprisingly light. I wasn't able to finish the session and do Biceps though because I was just getting way too dizzy and could tell my blood sugar was nill.

But hey that is a serious report in my opinion considering I was so sick the past week I couldn't eat, drink or even function normally. Looks like meat is BACK on the menu boys :evil:
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Good to be back in the gym eh? Im thinking about doing that one of these days.. ;-}

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Good to be back in the gym eh? Im thinking about doing that one of these days.. ;-}

-Pp
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You have no idea man... seriously I never knew how much I subconciously enjoyed the smell of other peoples sweat :p

Ha, on a serious note though, nothing felt better then to crank out some bench presses again. Appetite is seriously back too which is fantastic :D
 
Im sick now too. I got my derma/phyto in the mail but Im going to hold off until I'm over this cold. Still going to work out, just light though.

Will the phyto last a couple weeks or should I refrigerate it?
 
KD1 said:
Im sick now too. I got my derma/phyto in the mail but Im going to hold off until I'm over this cold. Still going to work out, just light though.

Will the phyto last a couple weeks or should I refrigerate it?
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The Phyto-Test will be fine bro, but you might want to refrigerate it just to help the taste.

-Pp
 
UPDATE:

Well I drug my still recovering ass back into the gym yesterday for a quick back workout. I even made myself do deads! I'm telling you, by the way 225 feels, and 275, i'm SURE I could get 315 for at least a few. I need to try it sometime and quit being such a baby about it. Same goes for squats, but alas..

Back workout went well though in spite of my pitiful energy levels. I'm taking today off because the work schedule has the day full, but tomorrow I will pick back up with shoulders / Tri's. My legs are a bit sore after those deads so i'm going to leave them for next week. Plus legs always make me wanna puke, and I'm having enough trouble fighting that as it is :\
 
Pullups must have been it, not sure what it was but my back is freakin destroyed! I mean just to sit up with correct posture and roll my shoulders back is hard to do!


Nothing like a good wide back...
 
UPDATE:

Well did shoulders tonight, I left out triceps because I only had time for one due to a weekly event i'm a part of at my church (www.722.org)

Anyhoo, (722 is a killer thing we got going btw..) shoulders went really well and I'm almost completely bottomed on the weight stack they have for the shoulder press machine. I was at 100lbs before this cycle, and now i'm almost to 150lbs on each side. My strength is DEFINITELY up, and that didn't come without size either. My delts are a lot bigger and that makes me very very happy :)

I also noticed that I could shrug 225 with no straps or concern for grip. In the past, just holding 225lbs in a shrug like position meant dropping it from failing grip in just a couple reps, 315 i could barely hold for a second. Now 225 was fine with room to spare, I didn't mess with 315 this time though, I just did mad reps with 225 and my traps burned like no other.

I know this is all very sparse data, but after being sick and also this week including 4 days of travel, etc i'm just trying to identify the progress I know I'm continuing to get because I can feel it. I know you guys can't, so i'm doing the best I can to illustrate it :)

Rock on brothas....... rock on
 
UPDATE:

Well I cranked out chest / tri's yesterday as my last workout before a week of travel. Hopefully I will get to train while away, but i'm going to see my girl so i'm not sure what my time will be spent on :)

Chest went GREAT, my strength continues to go up, 185 on incline felt lighter then it ever has, it felt as light as it does on flat! I think its time to increase some poundages AGAIN....

One thing that is bothering me though is that the weight I lost when I was out sick for a week I have yet to re-gain. I got back about a pound or two, but I was at 185-186, now i'm hovering at 181-182. I know this isn't very important, but its really a killer for morale seeing that scale fight you like that.

On another note I ordered myself a prohoromone combo with PheraPlex / Superdrol & this other one I'm not too familiar with (that isn't methylated) in one cap. It's made by 4ever fit and called D-D r o l (hope that doesn't get autospelled) and i'm debating about running it for 4wks on the tail end of my phyto / derma. I know that would skew the log of JUST these compounds, but I mean I AM in this for maximal gains, the log is just an addition to that.

What do you guys think? PP ? Would adding those PH's in at the tail end be cool? Also what would that mean for my PCT? Right now I was just going to have letro on hand & run a whole bottle of sustain after everything. I don't have a source for HCG so unless someones feeling generous I don't think thats an option for me.

Thoughts / Input .. ??
 
Primordial Performance said:
That stack should make for some insane gains... Is the SD these days still getting good feedback?

-Pp
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Well its a grey area, hence my asking here in the infinite EF wisdom bank (ha)


Oh well, but I agree it should make a killer "going out with a bang" end to this cycle. I can't wait :evil:
 
digitizedsoul said:
I don't have a source for HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - so unless someones feeling generous I don't think thats an option for me.
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Do you ever get tired of asking for free shit?
 
i ended a cycle last week and started a derma / phyto / hcg / toco stack this week. i know i should have used the sustain but im actually doing this as a bridge more than pct. anyway, i dont notice much when i apply the derma but the phyto definatly gets me going. i take a serving of phyto before i work out in the evening and my workouts have been more intense since i started it. i do think the derma is doing soemthing as i am getting more vascular like digit is. if i were you digit i wouldnt worry about the weight as your strength seems to be going up every week which means additional muscle. your probably dropping fat faster than your gaining muscle right now. alot of times the muscle comes well after the strength gains. plus id be happier being stronger at a lighter weight anyway.
 
Yeah Ive lost almost 5 lbs since I got sick last weekend also. Mostly just due to lack of appetite. I feel pretty good today though, wolfed down a huge lunch.

But Im feeling the same thing, maybe I will stack the dermacrine with some Halodrol-50 I have lying around and save the phytotest for PCT.
 
RearNaked said:
Do you ever get tired of asking for free shit?
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Wooaa.... easy on the accusations there bro. I wasn't asking for anything for free, simply stating a fact that without my neighbor coming over and saying "hey bro, got some HCG, wanna buy some?" I probably won't be able to get any. And in deep respect for the forum rules, I stated that in the form of "unless someone is feeling generous, I can't use HCG".

Since when does respecting forum rules = asking for free shit?

Sorry i'm in a bad mood to begin with....
 
digitizedsoul said:
i'm seriously contemplating running 12wks myself, but i'd have to get yet ANOTHER bottle lol.... unless PP is just feeling generous with me these days
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How many more do you want me to pull up? It's all good, obviously it's working for you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it right? Besides, maybe you're broke, or jut plain greedy, who knows. I have been hearing about this new supp that may be of interest to you, it's called hydroxymorals...maybe give that shit a try bro.
 
UPDATE:

Traveled to Boston for 4 days and only got to train one. I trained back due to what was available at the Gym I went to with my girl while up there, and I actually set a PR on deadlifts. 275 for 3 sets of 8, and breathing room to spare. I usually have gloves, but forgot to pack them so I stopped all 3 sets beacuse my skin felt like it was going to tear, I'm definitely loading 315 on this coming week.

That is insane considering I wasn't even DOING deadlifts before I started this stack. In fact when I did start doing them I started with 185lbs and that was a bit challenging or at least felt like it. I guess a lot of it is growing used to the excercise as well as gaining a little strength, either way I couldn't be more pleased. Deadlifting REALLY seems to be helping my hamstring development too.

I got my 4ever fit D.d r o l in the mail while I was away, and plan to start that tomorrow. For those who didn't catch it in the last couple posts before things got "off topic" for pretty stupid reasons, it has Superdrol, PheraPlex and Finigenx in one cap. Dose is 2 caps per day, and PP sais it should be a killer way to do the last 4wks of a 12wk phyto / derma / lipostack combo.

Questions are this: after 10wks reg derma & 12wks phyto test & 4wks d.d r o l what would the best PCT be? I have one bottle of sustain on hand as well as some femara. Any other suggestions?
 
So just out of curiosity, have you gained any weight with this stuff? I want to try it but I'm not dumping that much money for something that isn't going to aid in some good gains. I ask because while maybe you're losing bodyfat, you;re actually 5 or 6 lbs lighter then when you started right? Did you take before and after pics? Sorry if I sound skeptical but I've spent way too much money on supplements that were supposed to kick ass and didn't.
 
02gixxersix said:
So just out of curiosity, have you gained any weight with this stuff? I want to try it but I'm not dumping that much money for something that isn't going to aid in some good gains. I ask because while maybe you're losing bodyfat, you;re actually 5 or 6 lbs lighter then when you started right? Did you take before and after pics? Sorry if I sound skeptical but I've spent way too much money on supplements that were supposed to kick ass and didn't.
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I have maintained weight. I have finally gained back the weight I lost when I Was sick. I got a ridiculous strain of the Flu that had me down for a full week and 6lbs.

However my body composition, the way I look, the way my clothes fit (or in this case don't anymore) has dramaticaly changed. For Pics, read back through the thread bro there are some..

It's worth the $ fo sure, hell derma you can feel in minutes after you rub it in, and phyto usually makes me hungry within 30 mins for dosing that too. I think the lack of weight gain has been my own fault more then the "lack of" in the supp department.
 
I saw the pics and all but I didn't see any before pics so there's nothing to really compare it to. I want to try them out but they're definitely not cheap, actually more expensive than the real thing. Thanks for doing this write-up though it's definitely a big help to see someone experience in such detail.
 
floridalife said:
so you have not gained a single pound?
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Nah I did, I had put on about 6lbs but lost it when I got sick. I'm pretty sure I didn't lose the muscle weight I had gained, but lost so much water and food in my stomach / intestines that it equaled that. I couldn't hardly eat for 4-5 days, and got severely dehydrated as well. I have gained most of those 6lbs back in the last 1.5wks since getting over the flu so I am pretty convinced that most of what was lost was just water.

I have also leaned up quiet a bit from the start of this program, and therefore some of the weight gain won't have been noticed on the scale since those pounds were "replacing" fat weight. I mean the fat loss hasn't been dramatic, but it is definitely a factor in my not having gained massive amounts of weight. I plan on upping my cals a little. Plus I just started the phera plex / superdrol / finigenx combo today for the next 4wks to finish up the phyto so I expect some weight gain to finally come.

Phyto test makes you very very hungry, so weight gain should be a no brainer with most. I think my weight gain would have been a bit more as well had I not been doing the lipostack as well in an attempt to drop a bit of BF...
 
UPDATE:

Well I have determined that I definitely need to increase my calories. That is probably why I havent' been gaining enough weight. With the new addition of the prohoromones to this, i'm even hungrier then before if that is even possible, so I plan on filling the void.

Did chest / Bi's yesterday back in my home gym, and MAN was it intense. I have got to get a good spot for bench so I can get back to the bar, My dumbell strength has increased significantly, but I like to go between the bar & dumbells instead of staying with just one, and the smith machine just doesn't feel natural, it tweaks my shoulders in a weird way. I am curling the 100lb straight bar no problem now for sets of 8 with NO movement of elbows or back, I am moving to the 110 next time. 95lbs was my best before, and that was cheating big time, i'm impressed!

Another 4wks to go, and i'll post finished pics / weight / stats. I can't wait to take a month off so I can do it again :evil:
 
UPDATE:

Leg day was today:

WOW. 225 on squats for two sets of 7 then dropped to 135 and did a widowmaking 20repper... The pump from it was so intense I think probably 80% of my blood was in my legs. I had to sit down because my lips went numb and I started to hear echo's and all that about to pass out stuff lol.

Leg press was just as good, I put 5 plates on each side for 10 total. Don't feel like doing the math on that one, I usually just go by the # of plates and / or 25's.

I'll tell you what, these prohoromones are REALLY kicking in fast. I can tell a huge difference in the way I feel and i'm starting to retain water which is awesome if you are like me and trying to gain.

Personaly I think that the closest thing to feeling like "on" is this stack i'm doing. Dermacrine, phyto test, amp02 for that insane pump & lipo's for motivation ;) Throwing the PH in is like putting an exponent after all that. I DO feel like i'm "on", of course this stuff is sdrol / phera plex / finigenx in one so I mean technically it should be pretty potent.
 
UPDATE:

Shoulder's / Tri's today.

I now have mastered the 70lb dumbells on presses for 3 sets of 8, time to move to 75's. I will have NEVER done 75's for proper reps in my life if I get them next week, not even after my last real cycle, so new territory here...

Back to overhead tricep pressing the 90lb dumbell as well, and I think its time to upgrade on that as well. My strength is just FLYING up, and I can feel the superdrol / phera plex / finigenx now on the 4th day. In fact its becoming quiet noticeable. My chest pump is still around from tuesday and it remains full and swolen more-so then usual.

Overall I'm the biggest i've ever been in my life and the heaviest now at 187lbs. I have passed my weight mark that I reached before dropping 6lbs with the flu, and am blowing past it! I can't wait to see how much more I can gain in the next 3.5wks....
 
Man I just had to add... I feel GREAT. I'm talkin about FANTASTIC great. Not a care in the world great.

This combo is, at least in MY opinion, the best legal solution around for AAS approaching gains...
 
"This combo is, at least in MY opinion, the best legal solution around for anabolic androgenic steroids approaching gains..."

which combo haven't you thrown in some other goodies?
 
Mikeflcn said:
"This combo is, at least in MY opinion, the best legal solution around for anabolic androgenic steroids approaching gains..."

which combo haven't you thrown in some other goodies?
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The combo I was reffering too was Phyto test, dermacrine, lipostack & 4ever fit D.d r o l (Superdrol / phera plex / finigenx) or just one of those of your choice. The synergy between them all is awesome.

For those following, keep in mind I said "LEGAL" best LEGAL combo. Thats why I chose the PH over regular test, etc.
 
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UPDATE:

All I gotta say about back is DEADLIFTS and that I own them now.

Oh and i'm up to 189lbs so 3lbs in the last 5 days :D

I hope I break 200, that would be freakin sweet
 
Forget two days off, i took off yesterday, and i'm so pumped and ready for somethign today im going.

Chest & Bi's here I come. I have been eating at least 800-1000 more calories a day. I've added in two more meals as well as making my Preworkout and Postworkout shakes larger adding 150 calories each just to those alone. I'm growing like a mofo and REALLY want to break 200lbs bodyweight...
 
UPDATE:

Skipped a few days of updates cuz ironically i've been feeling a bit depressed lately, which is strange considering where i've gotten in the last 6wks physically, I should be stoked and I am!

Anyway, Chest went really well I was able to put 275 on the hammer strength flat press machine (decided to try it VS the bar / dumbells for once) and it felt amazing. Totally locked in place, Pec isolation. I felt them dying fiber by fiber :evil:

Now keep in mind I was barely able to push 185 on that same hammer strength machine a couple months back. That is significant progress in my pressing strength overall and I couldn't be happier.

I'm curling the 110lb straight bar now with ease as well. I can tell my biceps have grown a lot. All my back excercises feel better, more controlled & I feel it has to do with my Bi's catching up a bit.

Legs were awesome yesterday, 225lbs on squats is now officially "light" feeling. I need to add more weight but i'm such a freakin WUSS when it comes to legs! I dunno what my mental issue is with them! Makes me wish so bad I had a training partner to kick my ass a bit on leg day... i'd probably be doing 315 by now. My legs have REALLY come a long way in the past two months as well. For the first time I had to go buy new pants, and when I tried them on they got stuck on my quads, NOT at my waist. Never happened before!!!!


As I stated though i've been fighting depression feelings that come in waves, and are very annoying. I have also been having some of the worst nights sleep in a while lately. Last night was the peak of that. I must have woke up every 15-20 mins. I definitely don't feel "rested" today, but i'll just have to deal with it.
 
I'm thinking I may know whats causing the mood change / sleep issues.

I ran out of derma (did two bottles back to back) but i'm only in week 1 of my 4wk PH run, so I don't want to start my sustain untill i'm done with the PH's.

I had forgotten how good derma made me feel untill I didn't have it anymore lol
 
im in the middle of week 3 on derma/phyto/toco and i feel great. i started this a week after my last inject of test e/tren e/masteron 8 weeker. i actually havnt been off in about 3 years cycling low to mid to high dose cycles. so far i think this is a great way to get off for a while and still feel great and make progress. the first 2 weeks i felt very lethargic other than when i went to the gym. this week my energy levels and motivation are back and actually higher then when i was on. i was having a hard time getting myself to the gym even 2 times per week. my workouts were HIT because i just didnt have the motivation to train with any volume. now i cant wait to get to the gym everyday. last week i trained 5 days and didnt bring my gear to work yesterday because i had hit the gym 3 days in a row. at 5pm when i usually go to the gym i was wishing i had brought my stuff. ive changed my workouts so i can go 6 days a week. i havnt been this motivated in years.
i am very impressed with PP products. not sure how my strength is because im doing more volume now and not using as heavy weights. i lost about 6 lbs over a 1 month period prior to starting these products and my weight is up 4 lbs and my waist is actually smaller and i havnt gained any body fat. my shoulders and arms definatly feel fuller. i have omegas strength stack coming this week so im sure that will add to the gains. like i said im very impressed so far and cant wait to see the resullts over the next 6 weeks. ill keep jumping on this thread every so often to update my progress if thats ok.
 
searay said:
ill keep jumping on this thread every so often to update my progress if thats ok.
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Abesolutely bro! I ain't playin a fame game here lol, just trying to give back in any way I can to this great little secret society we got here :D
 
Ok I will jump in here also. Started the Dermacrine/Phytotest combo on Saturday.

Honestly I was expecting to be disappointed because with all the hype I figured there must have been some "kickbacks" going on in the form of free products or something. I felt pretty skeptical.

But I gotta say, I can totally feel it kicking in - it does feel like I have a pro-hormone or anabolic steroid in my system. Not like a 500mg Test cycle ( only did that once and will probably never again ), but similar to when I ran an Oral Turanibol cycle by itself. Here is some feedback.

1.) First off, the phyto isnt great tasting, but its not nearly as bad as I thought. Im running 5ml 2X daily, but I hold it under my tongue 30-45 seconds before chugging it down. It does cause your body to smell different ( kinda like maple syrup with some sort of synthetic chemical odor mixed in ).

2.) Im on 3 pumps Derma 2X daily, so slightly more than average dose on both products.

3.) Within a couple days I noticed a significant increase in muscle fullness. Ya know how when you are 'on' your muscles just pump up ( I think with glycogen )? Well thats exactly what feels like is going on here. I "look" like I gained 5-7lbs of glycogen and water weight, but I think I may be losing fat because the only place on my body where flab accumulates is abs/handles. My abs look about the same but my handles have tightened up.

4.) Gym - definite increase in muscle energy and pumps/vascularity. I did deads the other day and hit weights I havent hit in a few months, despite having a virus the previous week. Not only that but my muscles had more energy as the sets went on. Also, my veins are popping out like its sumertime ( I dont know why this happens but it always seems like certain veins disappear in winter then come back in the summer, like the vein that branches across my bicep to complement the one that goes lengthwise ).

5.) Mood/Aggression/Libido - seems to be a slight gain in these areas with the exception of libido. Not sure why, usually I get a libido increase with test boosters but I feel about the same here.

I will give a couple more updates at some point, but I am pleasantly surprised right now. Like I said I was worried that I got suckered as I was reading the logs ( sounded too good for OTC supplement ), but so far I feel PP is onto something and this is a solid stack. If it turns out that nothing more beneficial happens I will definitely be back to set the record strait, but I am expecting good things at this point.
 
Sounds pretty much like what I was seeing from it Bro. Good to hear someone else is identifying similar "feelings" and effects meaning that it wasn't placebo.

Good times....
 
I miss the derma so much :(

I HATE the way I feel every morning now, and i'm having so much trouble sleeping grrr...

Stupid sdrol / phera plex / finigenx :|

Gains are great though lol just can't wait to start sustain in 2 more wks
 
truckdaddy said:
Man, i liked the derma.....but the Phytotest has done nothing for me....bout 2/3 of a bottle in.
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Not even appetite increase? For me that was one of the most felt effects, and one I will sorely miss once I stop my 3rd bottle lol.

Although I plan on cutting after this bulker so it may be in my best interest
 
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