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downunder hunter

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Ok so the title basically says it. In your opinion is there such a big difference with pharmacy grade steroids and steroids made by an underground lab??

I ask because there is a considerable difference in pricing aroun my area (over double the price for pharm grade!!) Is it worth it to pay ALOT more for it?

Or say if I were to use 750 mg of UG instead of 500mg of pharm grade would I get the same effect? As i know alot of the ug labs are underdosed, my buddy got some tested not long ago and it was 190mg instead of 250mg test enth.
 
No matter what anyone tells you pharm grade it better no contest. Anyone telling you anything different is just trying to get business for there buddy who sells ug crap.

Look don't get me wrong there is some bad ass ug labs out there. But even the best ug is still not as good as the worst pharm grade, its that simple bro.
 
needtogetaas said:
no matter what anyone tells you pharm grade it better no contest. Anyone telling you anything different is just trying to get business for there buddy who sells ug crap.

Look don't get me wrong there is some bad ass ug labs out there. But even the best ug is still not as good as the worst pharm grade, its that simple bro.
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Liquid 2009 said:
Who has gone from UG to pharm test and what was your differences in putting on size?
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If a ug does not make "pressed pills" and they are still working with powder caps. Well then they are at the bottom of the ug list. still a bath tub brew place at that point.

Now the good ug's out there are big enough to make pressed pills, and some even make amps. That is when a ug is worth it. Other then that meh its touch and go.
 
This is a loaded question..lol
If the filtration is good and the dose is right there is little difference!
Would I go pharm 100% if I have a choice ..hell yea
With pharma you get what you pay for that's about it...it doesnt have magical powers like ppl think!

UG sometimes are underdosed and stuff and some are just bad. But if you know your source well and they put out good stuff with good filtration and right dose there is no reason to be different than pharm!
I've just done a cycle on UG test mix only and the shit was strong as hell at only 600mg a week. So UG is not always bad, what's bad is the ppl who make it the wrong way that;s bad!!
 
pharm grade uses superior powders that are manufactured to USP standards. UG are likely to use lower quality powders that are not as pure and did not meet the manufacturing standards.
 
Its like comparing a coke with an off-brand. Same ingredients but different taste. The reason is the pharm grade is purer. Some people have reported posts of taking UG lab then human grade at lower dose and getting better results from the human grade at a low dose. I've used both and now all I will use is human unless i need some tren
 
What's interesting is how sure you all are about the products put out by big pharma. These companies are driven by profits and I wont be suprised if their raw material comes from plants in china, India or around there somewhere where is a lot cheaper to manufacture.
 
Ya, once again I agree with needto. I will also say though the quality of those UG labs have gotten slightly better through the years.
You rarely hear of many horror stories, but they are out there occasionally. Availability for HG stuff will always be an issue because almost all of it comes from overseas.
 
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Varga said:
What's interesting is how sure you all are about the products put out by big pharma. These companies are driven by profits and I wont be suprised if their raw material comes from plants in china, India or around there somewhere where is a lot cheaper to manufacture.
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But wouldn't it still have to meet USP standards?
 
The main difference for me is the absence of a golf ball sized lump and the test flu , when i changed to pharm grade i was able to walk after taking the shots.
 
needtogetaas said:
No matter what anyone tells you pharm grade it better no contest. Anyone telling you anything different is just trying to get business for there buddy who sells ug crap.

Look don't get me wrong there is some bad ass ug labs out there. But even the best ug is still not as good as the worst pharm grade, its that simple bro.
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True, except there are no "worse" pharm grades -- the quality must reach a certain standard in order to be released to the public.

The big difference is, the pharm grade is 100% proven. You take your chances with any UG. Some are very good. But some start out good and go south after a while.

Then again, it's hard to tell if what you have is "pharma" unless you buy it in a pharmacy.

The moral of the story -- find a solid UG and stick with them. Don't look for bargains.
 
Varga said:
What's interesting is how sure you all are about the products put out by big pharma. These companies are driven by profits and I wont be suprised if their raw material comes from plants in china, India or around there somewhere where is a lot cheaper to manufacture.
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Bingo! if you guys think an amp made in Iran or Pakistan is pharma grade your kidding yourself. I would get laughed out of the gym if I told someone I was taking that back in the good old days. Man I miss the days of Squibb and Upjohn shit. Damn USA obsession with steroid laws put an end to that.
 
Of course Pharm grade is better....
 
I have been using Organon Sust the past few years. This year, I am using a UGL Test E and there is no difference at all. It's the same thing. The problem with UGL's is they are not always dosed properly and they can have problems being steril, so a lot of people get sick the first couple of weeks on them.

If the dose is correct, there is no difference. When people say pharm grade is far superior to UGL, it is all bullcrap, and those people really have no idea what they are talking about. They are just parrots that go by what they heard from someone who got crappy UGL gear. If there is a difference between the gains you get, then it really is not noticeable at all.
 
eveery one is more or less right

Ill give you my "latter" on Quality.

Gear in Amps Clearly from a Drug Company is THE best #1

Gear in bottles from Drug Company as good usually

Compounding Pharmies are 3rd ( sometimes they are stellar , sometime not soo good)

UG head labs are tied with 3rd, but make no mistake they can be as good as #1

UG individuals with science back round ( only good if they have a real powder connect so its hit and miss)

then All others Blahhhh ( avoid photo copy labels hint hint)
 
Liquid 2009 said:
But wouldn't it still have to meet USP standards?
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Im sure it does but some of these companies might end up selling powder on the market as a secondary source of income. Remember they all in for a profit and as long the law turns a blind eye companies will sell these powders on secondary markets especially in china. I mean there is no harm in this and really no one gets hurt. It's all about the money
 
OMEGA said:
eveery one is more or less right

Ill give you my "latter" on Quality.

Gear in Amps Clearly from a Drug Company is THE best #1

Gear in bottles from Drug Company as good usually

Compounding Pharmies are 3rd ( sometimes they are stellar , sometime not soo good)

UG head labs are tied with 3rd, but make no mistake they can be as good as #1

UG individuals with science back round ( only good if they have a real powder connect so its hit and miss)

then All others Blahhhh ( avoid photo copy labels hint hint)
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But as Nelson stated, don't all pharm/hg compound or brand need to meet certain standards before released to the public? Why or how would they differ from stellar to not so much and not equal to the other hg stuff?
 
SLAYER69! said:
Bingo! if you guys think an amp made in Iran or Pakistan is pharma grade your kidding yourself. I would get laughed out of the gym if I told someone I was taking that back in the good old days. Man I miss the days of Squibb and Upjohn shit. Damn USA obsession with steroid laws put an end to that.
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Best shit in the world. If you are lucky to set eyes on this you have met the steroid gods. I remember the days of upjohn ready jects. Sure they came in a 18g harpoon but man were they good. Old man hand hundreds of them all the time.
 
I've been in this game for many years, and I am an avid steroid user. Having said that, I would never use a UGL nowadays unless it was given to me for FREE. I only use pharmaceutical brand gear, unless I'm going to use compounds that are unavailable in pharmaceutical such as Masteron or Turinabol, which I rarely use anymore anyway.
 
On a side-note(and possibly for another article altogether), the only anabolic steroids that ANYONE needs are:

1.) Testosterone
2.) Primobolan
3.) Dianabol

*Proviron, but I consider it an ancillary drug.

These anabolic steroids are all available in pharmaceutical brands.
 
Ross said:
On a side-note(and possibly for another article altogether), the only anabolic steroids that ANYONE needs are:

1.) Testosterone
2.) Primobolan
3.) Dianabol

*Proviron, but I consider it an ancillary drug.

These anabolic steroids are all available in pharmaceutical brands.
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fuck you!!!!! add deca to that list and I am all on board. I would fully agree with
1.) Testosterone
2.) Primobolan
3.) Dianabol
4.) deca
5.) provrione

deff would agree with this list. I need my deca
 
Ross said:
I've been in this game for many years, and I am an avid steroid user. Having said that, I would never use a UGL nowadays unless it was given to me for FREE. I only use pharmaceutical brand gear, unless I'm going to use compounds that are unavailable in pharmaceutical such as Masteron or Turinabol, which I rarely use anymore anyway.
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when you been around long enough you know all the ug crap out there is just that, crap.
 
needtogetaas said:
Best shit in the world. If you are lucky to set eyes on this you have met the steroid gods. I remember the days of upjohn ready jects. Sure they came in a 18g harpoon but man were they good. Old man hand hundreds of them all the time.
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Organon pre-oads were the shit. and yes, I was sick enough to just jam the 18g pin in and not replace it with a 23
 
Liquid 2009 said:
don't all pharm/hg compound or brand need to meet certain standards before released to the public? ?
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I am not saying anyone is wrong, but Compounding pharms are hit and miss

as nelson said " Wallmart cola isn’t exactly Coca-Cola"

lets use Paid meds like Vicodin if
you break a leg or soemthing... or things Like Viagra.....


Brand Name Norcos / or Viagra are Way more powerful then the generics.......

its not a matter of opinion, its simply True for anyone that knows enough.

Sure you might get good generics here or there , but its the exception not the rule

"something" in either the handling, synthesis or storage just is not right with generics largely
 
downunder hunter said:
Ok so the title basically says it. In your opinion is there such a big difference with pharmacy grade steroids and steroids made by an underground lab??

I ask because there is a considerable difference in pricing aroun my area (over double the price for pharm grade!!) Is it worth it to pay ALOT more for it?

Or say if I were to use 750 mg of UG instead of 500mg of pharm grade would I get the same effect? As i know alot of the ug labs are underdosed, my buddy got some tested not long ago and it was 190mg instead of 250mg test enth.
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I don't even have to read any further i know that Pharm grade will give you the dosage as stated on the bottle Peroid! UG labs may be overdosed or even underdosed but you can alway count on what you're getting with Pharm grade.
 
Varga said:
dont forget you part of the conversation too my friend..:)
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Sorry mate i've had a problem with my net at home, there's alot of different opinions and i thank everyone for the feedback! I think the only thing with pharm grade in Australia is its hard to get your hands on and if you can its like double maybe triple the prices of other gear! So the question is it really that much better to warant it being so much more expensive?
 
downunder hunter said:
Sorry mate i've had a problem with my net at home, there's alot of different opinions and i thank everyone for the feedback! I think the only thing with pharm grade in Australia is its hard to get your hands on and if you can its like double maybe triple the prices of other gear! So the question is it really that much better to warant it being so much more expensive?
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In all seriousness, it is very important to know your source. If you know your source and he makes his gear with care and wants repeat business you will get good stuff.The fly by night UGs I dont really give 2 shits about and never buy stuff from them.

I know sometimes we all joke but honestly we all want pharm grade stuff but price is sometimes a problem. I've used UG stuff for many years but I know the source well to trust his stuff which is been consistent over the years. If the person you get this stuff from has a good reputation and has no problem taking to you about any issues you might have with his stuff and he's been around for a while that could be a good UG.

Difference in gear? If the gear is made properly it should be about the same or good enough to warrant the reduced price you are going to pay but get very much same results as pharm grade.
If you dont know the source good enough dont buy from them is as simple as that!
 
Hey now that was me that used the cola explanation :P unless nelson did as well
OMEGA said:
I am not saying anyone is wrong, but Compounding pharms are hit and miss

as nelson said " Wallmart cola isn’t exactly Coca-Cola"

lets use Paid meds like Vicodin if
you break a leg or soemthing... or things Like Viagra.....


Brand Name Norcos / or Viagra are Way more powerful then the generics.......

its not a matter of opinion, its simply True for anyone that knows enough.

Sure you might get good generics here or there , but its the exception not the rule

"something" in either the handling, synthesis or storage just is not right with generics largely
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Ha! I did use the Wallmart cola analogy, maybe I unconsciously plagerized it! lol.

I'll bet Omega is one of the few people who got my "Mon Cherie" reference. :D
 
Varga said:
In all seriousness, it is very important to know your source. If you know your source and he makes his gear with care and wants repeat business you will get good stuff.The fly by night UGs I dont really give 2 shits about and never buy stuff from them.

I know sometimes we all joke but honestly we all want pharm grade stuff but price is sometimes a problem. I've used UG stuff for many years but I know the source well to trust his stuff which is been consistent over the years. If the person you get this stuff from has a good reputation and has no problem taking to you about any issues you might have with his stuff and he's been around for a while that could be a good UG.

Difference in gear? If the gear is made properly it should be about the same or good enough to warrant the reduced price you are going to pay but get very much same results as pharm grade.
If you dont know the source good enough dont buy from them is as simple as that!
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Good answer mate, makes sense
 
I guess pot would be a good comparison. I've had medical bud and it was great, but I have also had some homegrown that was scary good. You don't want to buy just anybody's homegrown tho because they may not really have the experiance with fertilizers and everything it takes to grow. some fertilizers are toxicly passed through the plants. I don't smoke bud anymore :( but if I had an option to pay 30 for an 8th of someones hg, or 60 fpr some medical bud I think I'd be loading my pipe with what the dr ordered...
 
Ok well ive decided to go HUMAN GRADE~ i've got myself some iranian aburaihan Test enth 250 amps!!!! Ive payed the extra (got a good deal so not too much more than ug) and sure am glad, the reviews ive heard from this gear is bad ass, the batch is dosed at 333mg an amp so people say! Sounds tasty to me, cant wait too jump on it and get HUGE!!! I just have to wait for my injuries to heal and im onto it like white on rice boooya

(I dont think i broke any rules naming the brand of the gear but if i did much apologies!!)
 
thats what im gonna run too the aburaihan iranian test-e is painless and is very good if the source is good, I heard there is some fakes around but I havent seen them myself.
 
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