Peptides?

[zedhed]

Hi All,
Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but you dont know if you dont ask...
I am 48 and consider myself an intermediate lifter, lifting for the last 5 years-consistantly. I do it cuz I like being strong and it makes me feel good and look good.
So this last year has not been the best. Been plagued with (I think) inflammation in both elbows and shoulders.
I have had PT and have also been to Illinois Pain Clinic, not much succus.
So I am researching and I am looking at GHRP6 to try to get rid of this crap and get on with my life and lifting.
Could any of you advize me on this, would you be willing to?
If anybody wants more details, just ask and I will reply as best I can.
thanks

 

[eddymerckx]

i have a fondness for deca at 75-100mg---it works freakin' wonders when my mileage on my bike goes over 400.week (I am 42). watch the use if any gear as androgens tend to adversely impact your sodt tissue and joints

 

[Varga]

Hi All,
Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but you dont know if you dont ask...
I am 48 and consider myself an intermediate lifter, lifting for the last 5 years-consistantly. I do it cuz I like being strong and it makes me feel good and look good.
So this last year has not been the best. Been plagued with (I think) inflammation in both elbows and shoulders.
I have had PT and have also been to Illinois Pain Clinic, not much succus.
So I am researching and I am looking at GHRP6 to try to get rid of this crap and get on with my life and lifting.
Could any of you advize me on this, would you be willing to?
If anybody wants more details, just ask and I will reply as best I can.
thanks

What did they do at the clinic...hormonal panel check????
Very curious you have issues in both elbows and shoulders....
Have you checked your cortisol levels?
Reason Im saying this is that when your hormons are wacked everything hurts, felt the same way when my test level was low...I could barely move without experiencing some type of pain

 

[goin on 4T]

GHRP-6 why this peptide? What do you think its going to do? How do you think its going to help you?
What research have you done on GHRP-6?
I am not busting on you, just want to know before I tell you what I think...

 

[zedhed]

EddyMerckx, hmmm, your handle remindes of the once most famous King of the Tour...and youre a bike jock too.
I am studying deca and will continue to. And thanks for the warning too.

 

[zedhed]

What did they do at the clinic...hormonal panel check????
Very curious you have issues in both elbows and shoulders....
Have you checked your cortisol levels?
Reason Im saying this is that when your hormons are wacked everything hurts, felt the same way when my test level was low...I could barely move without experiencing some type of pain

Varga,
Nope no hormonal panel of any kind.
Nope no cortisol level checks.
Nope no test level check either.
I went in asking for Prolo-therapy and they gave me someting else. I dont remember exactly what it was but was a series of injections in both elbows. Something with cortisone I think. I wasnt impressed cuz it did exactly nothing except use up workers comp money.
After that I went through some ART and that seemed to help for awhile. But the pain-irritation is back now.
However because of your question I will have the hormonal panel done in January. Thanks!
Is cortisol normally checked with that?

 

[zedhed]

GHRP-6 why this peptide? What do you think its going to do? How do you think its going to help you?
What research have you done on GHRP-6?
I am not busting on you, just want to know before I tell you what I think...

Goin on, Thanks for your reply, and thanks for explaining too.
So anyway, I have done some reading on it. I know that typically it gives a substantial increase in appitite, not too thrilled about this part becaue of the additional weight gain. It is legal, I like that! It is not too outragously priced, again good thing. It is injection only I think. I did see one ref to oral consumption but was very breif and I have not been able to substantiate it.
From what I have read it kicks the hypothalmus into secreting more HGH, and thats a good thing espicially for those of us that arent kids anymore. HGH does help with connective tissue repair and I think inflammation. It also helps with body composition. All of this is good for me at my age.
At this point I dont think it needs to be injected directly into the problem area but am not sure, am looking for more material on that part.
Overall because of the HGH increase it does help with with strength also, and thats a good thing for me when and if I decide to use it.
This is what I have found so far, but am continuing to look for more information.
Thanks.

 

[zedhed]

Ok a little more info about me.
I have completely quit doing conventional bench press. Now I use dbls only with a neutral grip @40lbs each side right now. I only go as low as there is no or not much pain in my shoulders. So for the first set that is about 2/3rds of the way down, 2nd and 3rd set all the way down and 4th and 5th set back to about 2/3rds of the way.
I am finding that chins and pull ups very much aggrevate the inflammation and that totally sucks.
I dont do any direct bicep work cuz the chins and pulls took care of that satisfactorily for what I want.
I do deads, modified cuz of the knee issues but am pulling 430 right now. My mod is that I go off of 3" blocks and probably dont dip my hips quite as deep as I would if it didnt hurt my knees.
I do bodyweight squats as in front squat style, dropping down between my legs and back as close to vert as I can keep it. I have tried all the variations of back squats that I can think of, they just dont work for me, again cuz of knees. In the past I have worked up to adding weight in my front squats and will again this time too.
I do bbl bent over row @ 225, and they seem to be fine, but sometimes do get a little elbow irritation. When I do get it, I ice and take 4 Aleve and 2 Aspirin and that seems to pretty much take care of it.
Used to do Gironda dips but out for now-shoulders, used to do conventional dips but out for now -elbows.
I do hang cleans and theyre ok for me.
I do power shrugs @ 300-350 and thats all good.
I also do the Bullet Proof Shoulder Routing from the Diesel Crew site and that works wonders, ver ylight weight and 3 sets of 12-15.
I also do disslocates with a power band and that also seems to help.
Just last week I started doing push ups, feet on floor and hands on a chair and that has made significant difference also, 3 sets of 15 @ body weight.
I have tried R.I.C.E. not too successful. Aleve combined with Aspirin work great but I know that long term thats gonna be bad stuff, so only use it when I have to.
I have also tried to think of ways to work around this, but can only so far with that.
So there you have it, this is where Im at.
Any help any of you guys have would be great and thanks.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday to all of you.
Be Healthy and be STRONG!

 

[goin on 4T]

Goin on, Thanks for your reply, and thanks for explaining too.
So anyway, I have done some reading on it. I know that typically it gives a substantial increase in appitite, not too thrilled about this part becaue of the additional weight gain. It is legal, I like that! It is not too outragously priced, again good thing. It is injection only I think. I did see one ref to oral consumption but was very breif and I have not been able to substantiate it.
From what I have read it kicks the hypothalmus into secreting more HGH, and thats a good thing espicially for those of us that arent kids anymore. HGH does help with connective tissue repair and I think inflammation. It also helps with body composition. All of this is good for me at my age.
At this point I dont think it needs to be injected directly into the problem area but am not sure, am looking for more material on that part.
Overall because of the HGH increase it does help with with strength also, and thats a good thing for me when and if I decide to use it.
This is what I have found so far, but am continuing to look for more information.
Thanks.

Have you looked into CJC-1295 or just plain old IGF-1 LR-3? Those are both good candidates and don't have the issues that GHRP-6 has. But I must say it looks like you are one of the few that actually does research into what you are putting into your body! Nice job!!!

 

[eddymerckx]

EddyMerckx, hmmm, your handle remindes of the once most famous King of the Tour...and youre a bike jock too.
I am studying deca and will continue to. And thanks for the warning too.

one my best day i could not hold a candle to eddy on his worst--now he was an ironman

 

[zedhed]

Goin On, thanks for the info, appreciate it. Also thanks for the compliment, we only get one body so my goal is to maintain and improve it as I can. Thanks for the help.

 

[Varga]

Varga,
Nope no hormonal panel of any kind.
Nope no cortisol level checks.
Nope no test level check either.
I went in asking for Prolo-therapy and they gave me someting else. I dont remember exactly what it was but was a series of injections in both elbows. Something with cortisone I think. I wasnt impressed cuz it did exactly nothing except use up workers comp money.
After that I went through some ART and that seemed to help for awhile. But the pain-irritation is back now.
However because of your question I will have the hormonal panel done in January. Thanks!
Is cortisol normally checked with that?

I dont think so, just make sure you as your doc to put in there.

As for the other compounds you were looking into, if it was up to me I would make sure I know what's causing the issue first before going into treatment phase....I mean that's just me
As you found out treatment doesn't always work if you dont know the root cause of the problem!

 

[perryscoon]

Are you warming up enough bro? The older you get the more you need to warm up, at least for me. If threw 225 on the bar and tried to bench it cold I would be a fuckload of pain. I just can't do that kind of shit any more like I could when I was 25.

On chest day I warm up with 5lb rotator cuff exercises for about 10 minutes before I even think about touching a bar. Haven't had a shoulder issue since I started doing that 1 year ago and I bench 315 with no spotter.

 

[zedhed]

Pscoon, yeah I do pretty substantial warm ups all the way around. Like you said not a kid any more and with out the warm ups am just befuckled...For general warm up I do 10 min on the bike at 85+rpm to burn 100 cal.
Then on to disslocates and 2 x30@ 5lbs with dbls for bench press, and etc for the rest of the body parts that I work. Btw nice numbers there...

Varga at this point I am thinking that it is simply wear and tear and getting older. (Objectivly) I believe that I have shredded and hyperanalyzed most everything that I do. I mean even to the point that I dont use armrests on chairs or driveing in the car, I dont lean on my elbows when sitting at a table. I have checked posture to see how my arms hang-how my thumbs point. Even considered in depth what I am doing in my sleep and what positions I am in when I wake up in the night and have accordingly changed things around.
So I feel like this is the next logical step for me. I am not wanting to take roids as a quick fix, that is why I am more in favor of the peptides at this point but I am still researching and will continue to ask your guys thought on my diffirent ideas.
So again thanks for your advice and please keep it coming as Im not ready to throw in the towel yet on lifting and really dont believe that I need to, unlike what the med profession had been telling me so far.
No shit they all, every dam last one of em tell me to just quit lifting. Well bullshit to that!

 

[Varga]

Pscoon, yeah I do pretty substantial warm ups all the way around. Like you said not a kid any more and with out the warm ups am just befuckled...For general warm up I do 10 min on the bike at 85+rpm to burn 100 cal.
Then on to disslocates and 2 x30@ 5lbs with dbls for bench press, and etc for the rest of the body parts that I work. Btw nice numbers there...

Varga at this point I am thinking that it is simply wear and tear and getting older. (Objectivly) I believe that I have shredded and hyperanalyzed most everything that I do. I mean even to the point that I dont use armrests on chairs or driveing in the car, I dont lean on my elbows when sitting at a table. I have checked posture to see how my arms hang-how my thumbs point. Even considered in depth what I am doing in my sleep and what positions I am in when I wake up in the night and have accordingly changed things around.
So I feel like this is the next logical step for me. I am not wanting to take roids as a quick fix, that is why I am more in favor of the peptides at this point but I am still researching and will continue to ask your guys thought on my diffirent ideas.
So again thanks for your advice and please keep it coming as Im not ready to throw in the towel yet on lifting and really dont believe that I need to, unlike what the med profession had been telling me so far.
No shit they all, every dam last one of em tell me to just quit lifting. Well bullshit to that!

Get the fuck outta here...they told you to stop lifting???
That's what's wrong with docs these days...instead of trying to find what's wrong let's treat the symptoms....that's just wrong!
The curious thing about your case is that you have both shoulders and both elbows that have issues. That;s why I think that it might be something hormonal....if you had localized inflamation then you have maybe a shoulder or an elbow but not all of them in tandem. I mean it is possible to have wear and tear but it's too much man....how are your wheels? Do they hurt too...like knees and such?

 

[zedhed]

I know its been awhile since Ive been here. But am still very much studying in this area.
Well Varga, that brings up a whole other set of issues for me. The wheels are (much) less then perfect. But this is due to really crappy knees and a fair amount of injury to them.
For now suffice to say that I have considerable chondromalacia in both. But to answere your question, aside from that and me knowing that, and putting that aside... from the waist down, pretty much ok. I mean no pelvic pain, and no ankle or foot pain.
I can occasionaly do squats right now at a whopping 115 lbs. I also do modified deads at up to 460. The modification is I use 3" blocks. Also no lower back pain, well except for some arthritus and disk wear.

 

[goin on 4T]

Zed, so have you added anything? I don't know if I told you, I had a real bad shoulder issue then I got some GH and some prescribed deca. The pain went away. I wasn't sure if it was the deca or the GH. Well I took 3 or so weeks off of the gym and deca and ran out of GH. The first day I do bench and wham there is that damn pain again. I told my GF this sucks I don't have any GH and she is really against me taking the Deca. So anyways I sucked it up for about 2 weeks. The pain was not super excruciating unless I tried to lift something. Took my 3rd shot of Deca yesterday and the pain is all but gone... Don't know if it will work for you but damn my joints feel good again!!!

 

[zedhed]

Hey 4T,
Nope not yet, still educating myself. Never done any injectables before and just want to be sure am going about it correctly. And I really do appreciate your contributions here.
Also the financial situation not the best right now. Waiting for that to improve.
I know exactly what you are saying about the pain doing bench. I really have to concentrate on where my elbows are, cannot let them flare or Im done. My benching is all power lifting style, or with dumbells at hands netural position.
I have plenty of time for educating myself. But right now am leaning toward some thing like Norandrolone and most likely some form of GH, prolly with Test base. And then there is the PCT to do too. I do want it to be a pleasant expereince, not the misery that some get themselves into and of course want to keep any gains that I make along the way.
So after all my blah blah blah, as I read back I am looking for joint therapy and a little bit of size and strength increase. I dont plan to go balls to the wall cuz I dont want ANY MORE DAM INJURIES! So am I wanting too much?

 

[ILiftBig]

Hi All,
Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but you dont know if you dont ask...
I am 48 and consider myself an intermediate lifter, lifting for the last 5 years-consistantly. I do it cuz I like being strong and it makes me feel good and look good.
So this last year has not been the best. Been plagued with (I think) inflammation in both elbows and shoulders.
I have had PT and have also been to Illinois Pain Clinic, not much succus.
So I am researching and I am looking at GHRP6 to try to get rid of this crap and get on with my life and lifting.
Could any of you advize me on this, would you be willing to?
If anybody wants more details, just ask and I will reply as best I can.
thanks

Great stuff, especially when it is run with CJC 1295. If you re wanting something for fat loss and anti-aging about 50mcg CJC 1295 and 100mcg GHRP-6 about 30 minutes before bed time will do the trick.

 

[ILiftBig]

Hi All,
Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but you dont know if you dont ask...
I am 48 and consider myself an intermediate lifter, lifting for the last 5 years-consistantly. I do it cuz I like being strong and it makes me feel good and look good.
So this last year has not been the best. Been plagued with (I think) inflammation in both elbows and shoulders.
I have had PT and have also been to Illinois Pain Clinic, not much succus.
So I am researching and I am looking at GHRP6 to try to get rid of this crap and get on with my life and lifting.
Could any of you advize me on this, would you be willing to?
If anybody wants more details, just ask and I will reply as best I can.
thanks

First off what you have is tendinitis. This is caused by over use and/or isolation exercises. More than likely what ever you are doing as an isolation exercise to train triceps is causing this. The best cure for this is to discontinue the exercise and possibly switch to something that doesn't cause pain when you lift. Ice, compression, rest and some good old fashion anti-noninflammatory medication are always going to do some good.

I have heard of some who have used GHRP-6 successfully to repair connective tissue injuries as well as reports of IGF. Others have had quite a bit of success with a supplement called cissus quadrangularis. My guess is a combination of any of these treatments will work nicely.
http://www.google.de/aclk?sa=l&ai=C...rt.eu/article.pl?id=0525&lang=de&fromid=GG132

 

[ALIN]

Hi All,
Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but you dont know if you dont ask...
I am 48 and consider myself an intermediate lifter, lifting for the last 5 years-consistantly. I do it cuz I like being strong and it makes me feel good and look good.
So this last year has not been the best. Been plagued with (I think) inflammation in both elbows and shoulders.
I have had PT and have also been to Illinois Pain Clinic, not much succus.
So I am researching and I am looking at GHRP6 to try to get rid of this crap and get on with my life and lifting.
Could any of you advize me on this, would you be willing to?
If anybody wants more details, just ask and I will reply as best I can.
thanks

do let us know on what you discover in your researches on GHRP6.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I dont want to sound like a nut here but I had alot of tendon issues and didt lift for about 5 years. The rear of my elbows(tri insertions) were excruciating. I figured I had tendonitis all to hell. Rotators too. I started going to deep tissue/accupressure massage weekly. It took a few months but it really helped. All my major muscles allover my body were riddled with knots. huge knots. Which means super tight muscles yanking the shit out of your tendons and causing you lots of pain. Accupressure helped bring bloodflow back to the tendons. Turns out I didnt have tendonitis. Just severely stretched out and strained tendons. I still need to go once in a while because things tighten up.
You sound kinda like you may be actually having tendon issues as Iliftbig suggested. You can try what I did but IF you do have tendon issues your best bet for a cure is prolotherapy. Google it. That way it WILL fix your tendons and you dont have to stop training while your having treatment.

Now if its a joint issue, not connective tissue then low dose deca as these guys mentioned would be a start. I agree that you should get all the tests done to figure out exactly what is going on.
One thing I can recommend that seems to have helped me too is Cissus Quadralingulis. It will help With joints and connective tissue. It will take a month or two to build up in your body. To get the maximum benefits you can take about 4-6 times the recommended dose daily. Its perfectly safe. Buying the raw powder form is way cheaper. You can cap it yourself or mix it with O.J. but its pretty vile tasting.
Also for joints (not tendons) you could research alflutop. Thats cheap also and can be gotten on e-bay. But thats daily injections for 21 days.
Hope any of that helps

 

[zedhed]

Hey this is just a big shout out to all you guys for taking your time to provide advice based on your own experiences. You all dont know how much I appreciate it.
I have had a really strange thing happen recently. I had realized that the pain is mostly gone right now so I have been looking back over my workout notes to see what I am doing diff.
I have yet again changed the lifts in my workout, and I have also quit the vitamin regimen.
But also as I look back I see that there was accupuncture and lots of stretching-mobility work.
Well anyway to make a long story short, pain overall is nearly gone, shoulders good just a little bit there. Elbows nothing at all finally. Knees...well still the same, old, not good to start with and beat up. But overall I am hugly improved.
Am still researching CJC-1295 and IGF-1 LR-3 just for my own longevity.
Am also looking into the Cissus and Alflutop.
Just one more time tho, you are all a great bunch of peeps and I am glad to me associated with all of you on this site.
Regards adn THANKS!
z

 

[zedhed]

Hey all, Bringing this back to life.
Been off lifting for several weeks now and getting pain back in my shoulders, hmmmm go figure. However elbows all good so far. Have been doing Cissus since April. Dont really know if it is helping or not but it has huge amount of other good qualities so will keep taking it, 6400 mg/day-I make my own caps.
Thanks to one of the posters here I sent my blood spot tests in for my labs. Waiting for the results.
Like I said been off lifting for several weeks due to time management issues, but also thought a break might be in order. Also am on Etodolac. Was taking 400mg/day now on 200mg/day. After I am done with this script will not continue with them.
After I get my results back from the lab and their advice as to what to do, and get that all squared away I have some of NeedTo's products that Im gonna try and see what happens. Will mots likely include Deca at that time. Am curious to see if the Lab recommends HGH or IGF, am hoping so.

 

[Varga]

Thanks for the update zedhed, Im also curious to see your lab work...I think I was the one who suggested it
I'll check it to see the results

 

[zedhed]

Hey Varga, Long time no hear!
As soon as I get it I will put the numbers up.

 

[zedhed]

I am thinking that my shoulder pain and prev elbow pain are due to impingment. I am thinking this because somewhere I read that for healthy shoulders you should 50 disslocates 2x day. Well I have been doing this and I am noticing that my pain is diminishing. I do the dissocations with a Jump Stretch band or a Blue Thera Band.

 

[Varga]

Hmm, interesting!

 

[zedhed]

When I start out on the disslocates the shoulder are pretty sore and stiff, but by around 10 of them I loosen up and they start to feel pretty good.

 

[zedhed]

GoinOn, so how is your shoulder and what was wrong with it? did you get it diagnosed?

 

[goin on 4T]

No I did not get it diagnosed. It is off and on. When I work out hard it really hurts bad. After reading nelsons post the other day about winney I am thinking that the test might be keeping it from healing and the deca might just be hiding the issue. The only real solution then is to add try the IGF and/or HGH which I have been doing again. So it is still there and no I have not gotten it diagnosed. I don't feel I really need to.

 

[zedhed]

Hey thanks for the response goin on. Please keep us posted on your results, as I for one am very interested.

 

[goin on 4T]

Ok I will if it goes away, and also know right now I have droped the deca and also added 400mg of tren/wk.
So 400 cyp/400 tren / wk +4IU's GH dailey subq + 10IU's GH 3 x week IM + 80mcgs of IGF 3 x week IM + 75mg proviron + 2 unleashed and some other stuff. Right now I am at a high of about 222lbs @ 10% BF and 6'1" So we will see how I look at the end of november.

 

[zedhed]

Dam dude, you go fo it man. Best of hard work and many hours of research, it will pay off for you!! YOU GO BOY!!

 

[goin on 4T]

400mg of tren is too much for my mind. I am trying 300 this week, however my strength is through the roof. I continue to do Omegas WO and on the last heavy set of squats I was up to 365 which is crazy because usually I top out at 275.

 

[zedhed]

OK!!!! I finally got my labs back.
Pretty much as I suspected,
Estradiol out of range at 69H, Range 12-56
Testosterone out of range at 272L, Range 400-1200 (age dependent)
Ratio: T/SHBG out of range at 0.3L, Range.7-1.0
DHEAS in range 133 Range70-325
Cortisol out of range at 14.7H Range 6-13 (A.M.)
SHBG in range at 31 Range 15-50
PSA in range at 1.5 Range(optimal) 0.5-2
So this is why I have such a difficult time getting rid of my spare tire, and why I see so little effect from a well designed work out routine.
Comments?

 

[goin on 4T]

wow how old are you? Looks like you are about to get on the same bus as most of us... Or are you going to try to fix the problem?

 

[zedhed]

Dude, am a 1960 model so that makes me 49. Am just beginning my HRT, if thats what you mean by fix it. If thats not what you mean please explain. YUP am on that bus right with you, just waiting for my shipment to arrive now. Am hoping that its here by Saturday.

 

[goin on 4T]

Well the comment if very age based, it would be rather difficult to raise your natty test at "our" age. So by fix I meant natty. Because HRT is not a fix its a bandaid, not that I am saying its bad, it isn't, I am on HRT. That was just my 2c.
You are really going to enjoy the next few weeks and years for that matter!

 

[zedhed]

ok, Thats where I kinda thought you were going with it. Thanks for the encouragement and the explanation.