PCT help long story (only for the mods and vets please)

[Nomak666]

PCT HELP (please only mods, vets, and experienced users only)

I would say im pretty experienced but in this case, i know there are people on here who know more then me, so i would like to ask you guys for some help. Here's the story: My buddy has been running test since last december. he wants to come off now and i really dont know what to tell him. a standard 4 weeks with 50mg of clomid and 20mg of nolvadex is my usual but i dont know if that would be sufficient enough for him so i dont want to give him the wrong advice. he told me he ran 500mg of test (shot once a week), then he upped it to 750mg ew, and now hes at 500mg and wants to come off. so test for a year may not be the worse, but hear this, he ran tren ace for 10 weeks in may/june/july and then deca with the increased test dose to 750mg. he did NOT use hcg. he said his nuts are fine and he doesnt notice that they are shrunk. im not gonna check, lol, but mine never reeally shrinks either on cycle so i dont use it either. So any help would be appreciated, ive also noticed that he has changed alot physically and mentally so im hoping you guys can help him with the full treeatment, i hear horror stories of people killing themselves after cycles because of lack of pct. please only give advice if you know what you are talking about. this is a very good and close friend and i would hate for something bad to happen to him. btw, i asked him why he wants to stop and he told me he doesnt like who he has become. he rarely goes out, all he does is work and hit the gym, he lost touch with most of his friends because they would go out to bars or clubs at night and he didnt want to. i mean, i understand that because i dont go out as much but i dont plan on being the next mr olympia so i do go out, i dont drink much (a drink or 2 tops), but him, hes serious and he and i knows hes not gonna go pro, he doesnt compete but he does the whole bulking and cutting thing with the diet and he actually got leaner then me this summer.

so for those of you who can help, please, it would mean alot. i would just tell him to use clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks but im not sure, ive never ran test for over a year (5 months but not 1 year).

 

[Nomak666]

Btw, his stats. 24 years old, 1st cycle, obviously, 5'7 his weight is around 205-210 bodyfat unknown but hes pretty lean, id say 10% he says, again, i did not check, diet is pretty good imo, he doesnt eat at the same time or even the ame food, he just eats as he goes and as hes hungry. sometimes he eats 6-7 small meals like a meal would be a 6 inch sub from subway on wheat with chicken, no mayo, or a protein bar or shake, etc, but def no fast food. and sometimes hell only eat 4 of those meals, so not bad imo. if you need more stats or anything to help, let me know, ill ask him or ill answer as best as i can from my knowledge.

 

[RADAR]

fortunately some folks get by ok running deca and tren,due to the lack of shrinkage he sounds like a likely candidate,i would suggest him getting some HCG to run before PCT as it makes a softer landing.

If he already has clomid & nova also i would suggest ordering him needto's PCT from needtobuild muscle.com.

RADAR

 

[Nomak666]

fortunately some folks get by ok running deca and tren,due to the lack of shrinkage he sounds like a likely candidate,i would suggest him getting some HCG to run before PCT as it makes a softer landing.

If he already has clomid & nova also i would suggest ordering him needto's PCT from needtobuild muscle.com.

RADAR

i was providing him with the aas so i will provide him with the ancillaries (clomid,nolvadex and hcg) as well, out of his pockets though. what dose should he run those compounds at and for how long?

 

[DJ_UFO]

Testicular atrophy is not a direct indication of hpta activity. He need of course a PCT including HCG or even better, HMG. However, I would be a little bit worried about the psychological implications...by now, after a year, he is probably used to the positive effects of high levels of testosterone. Even after he is recovered (if he can completely recover), he will never have the same mood, sense of well being and energy that hight levels of test gives you. That's why every time you read a thread from a newbie posting his results after first cycle, they are already anxiously planning the second, not only because of the gains, but the experience of feeling so well. I am not even sure what to recommend as a pct for him, I'd try 500iu of HCG for 10 days, starting the day of the last test shot, then clomid, 50mg ed for 4 weeks, along with natural supplements like unleashed and sustain. After that, mandatory blood test, if he has any interest of being again who he was before the year long cycle.

 

[joe d]

i was providing him with the aas so i will provide him with the ancillaries (clomid,nolvadex and hcg) as well, out of his pockets though. what dose should he run those compounds at and for how long?

heres my thoughts. hmg, sustain, unleashed, nolvadex. hmg is costly but far better. it actually stimulates testosterone production.

 

[Nomak666]

Testicular atrophy is not a direct indication of hpta activity. He need of course a PCT including HCG or even better, HMG. However, I would be a little bit worried about the psychological implications...by now, after a year, he is probably used to the positive effects of high levels of testosterone. Even after he is recovered (if he can completely recover), he will never have the same mood, sense of well being and energy that hight levels of test gives you. That's why every time you read a thread from a newbie posting his results after first cycle, they are already anxiously planning the second, not only because of the gains, but the experience of feeling so well. I am not even sure what to recommend as a pct for him, I'd try 500iu of HCG for 10 days, starting the day of the last test shot, then clomid, 50mg ed for 4 weeks, along with natural supplements like unleashed and sustain. After that, mandatory blood test, if he has any interest of being again who he was before the year long cycle.

yes, he has gotten blood work done and according to him, he wants to get back to normal and healthy. blood pressure was slightly elevated according to him, i get blood done too, every now and then, and i had slightly elevated blood pressure and cholesterol so im guessing his is a bit worse. also i got one test done when i was on winstrol and anavar with prop and the orals definitely made my bp alot higher.

Can you provide me with like the complete pct protocol? also ive never used "unleashed" or "sustain", i mean they are legal products so i would guess they were not as effective as the real thing (nolva clomid hcg), thats why i never use it in my pct but i could be wrong.

 

[Nomak666]

heres my thoughts. hmg, sustain, unleashed, nolvadex. hmg is costly but far better. it actually stimulates testosterone production.

never heard of hmg or know where to get it. also does this unleashed and sustain really work, what do they do? im a bit skeptical and so is he buying otc products so im not sure but we're open to all opinions so please let me know joe.

thanks

 

[RADAR]

Testicular atrophy is not a direct indication of hpta activity. He need of course a PCT including HCG or even better, HMG. However, I would be a little bit worried about the psychological implications...by now, after a year, he is probably used to the positive effects of high levels of testosterone. Even after he is recovered (if he can completely recover), he will never have the same mood, sense of well being and energy that hight levels of test gives you. That's why every time you read a thread from a newbie posting his results after first cycle, they are already anxiously planning the second, not only because of the gains, but the experience of feeling so well. I am not even sure what to recommend as a pct for him, I'd try 500iu of HCG for 10 days, starting the day of the last test shot, then clomid, 50mg ed for 4 weeks, along with natural supplements like unleashed and sustain. After that, mandatory blood test, if he has any interest of being again who he was before the year long cycle.

My pupil said it better than me..good advice there

RADAR

 

[DJ_UFO]

Of course the natural products work. THEY WON'T replace a medication, but they are great help as a part of a PCT. Like Joe D said, HMG is better than HCG. I haven't found research at all on use for PCT. There are some references, and the rest it will be a couple years of experimentation by the community. From the little information I've been gathering, 37,5iu twice a week is enough to keep healthy body function during TRT. For a PCT, 75iu's e3d for 2 weeks might be wonderful for hpta recovery, followed by clomid, unleashed and sustain stacked.