Out of all the religious debates....

[beefcake28]

There is some good in every faith. Can't fault people for opening up their minds to other possibilities. Oh wait, that's the christian way--either obey or suffer eternal damnation. I forgot that there's no room for mind expansion with the god of the bible.

I never said that there wasn't some good in every faith. My initial statement came from an unbiased standpoint. I have no problem with someone believeing in a different faith than me. That's fine. Leave my personal beliefs out of your arguement, as I am not including them in mine.

How do you justify pulling all of the good elements from various religions, with none of the bad? You can't. No established faith works that way.

All I meant was that it would be easier for me to accept that this life is all there is, and then we die... end of story... than to accept that we can just pick our own version of the "afterlife" and think it will be that way.

Since everyone is being so critical of the bible lately, I'm going to throw this out there as well...
Where would someone gather any evidence whatsoever that their compilation of niceities has any validity at all (as a whole, not individually), therefore warrenting even a reasonable plausibility, much less justifying a belief in them?

 

[foreigngirl]

I never said that there wasn't some good in every faith. My initial statement came from an unbiased standpoint. I have no problem with someone believeing in a different faith than me. That's fine. Leave my personal beliefs out of your arguement, as I am not including them in mine.

How do you justify pulling all of the good elements from various religions, with none of the bad? You can't. No established faith works that way.

All I meant was that it would be easier for me to accept that this life is all there is, and then we die... end of story... than to accept that we can just pick our own version of the "afterlife" and think it will be that way.

Since everyone is being so critical of the bible lately, I'm going to throw this out there as well...
Where would someone gather any evidence whatsoever that their compilation of niceities has any validity at all (as a whole, not individually), therefore warrenting even a reasonable plausibility, much less justifying a belief in them?

beefcake, I didnt say I combined anything. Science, I have to beleive it, they provide proof. The reincarnation thing - I read it in a book written by orthodox writer and got me thinking that it just might be true. I am not counting on it happening

 

[beefcake28]

beefcake, I didnt say I combined anything. Science, I have to beleive it, they provide proof. The reincarnation thing - I read it in a book written by orthodox writer and got me thinking that it just might be true. I am not counting on it happening

Hmmm... That's interesting, just 2 posts back (post #80):

I am orthodox, but I beleive in science, reincarnation, a little bit from everything. I told you that I dont think the Bible is a litterate reading. I beleive there is some supreme being, whatever its called. And I beleive that if someone doesnt do so good in this life, God might give him a chance to make it better, by giving him another life, without memory of the previous so he can better himself

Yet, you say you don't combine anything... how does that work??

 

[foreigngirl]

Hmmm... That's interesting, just 2 posts back:

I said it for the 2nd and I'll say it for the 3rd time - I do beleive in science. Dont mistake that for thst stupid Scientology. About the reincarnation, I guess I chose the wrong word. After all, I am a foreigner you know. I do hope that that would be true, but I dont do wrong hoping that God will give me a second chance

 

[beefcake28]

I said it for the 2nd and I'll say it for the 3rd time - I do beleive in science. Dont mistake that for thst stupid Scientology. About the reincarnation, I guess I chose the wrong word. After all, I am a foreigner you know. I do hope that that would be true, but I dont do wrong hoping that God will give me a second chance

This has nothing to do with science. It has been well established (at least for the purposes of, and in the context of this discussion forum) that science cannot be used to establish PROOF for anything religious.

That said, I never questioned your belief in science... It is your rational for believing in "a little bit from everything" that I question. As science and religion are apparently unrelated, science should be irrelevant in this discussion anyway...


People are so quick to jump all over a Christian for stating their beliefs, but when someone else states theirs, no matter how obsurd/ unestablished they may (or may not) be, nobody questions it... how fair is that? I am not, however, saying that foreigngirl's beliefs are obsurd/ unestablished, I am purely referring to them in the context of using a specific example, in this specific situation. Her stated opinion just happened to be convenient. This is nothing personal against her whatsoever.

 

[krishna]

I never said that there wasn't some good in every faith. My initial statement came from an unbiased standpoint. I have no problem with someone believeing in a different faith than me. That's fine. Leave my personal beliefs out of your arguement, as I am not including them in mine.

How do you justify pulling all of the good elements from various religions, with none of the bad? You can't. No established faith works that way.

All I meant was that it would be easier for me to accept that this life is all there is, and then we die... end of story... than to accept that we can just pick our own version of the "afterlife" and think it will be that way.

Since everyone is being so critical of the bible lately, I'm going to throw this out there as well...
Where would someone gather any evidence whatsoever that their compilation of niceities has any validity at all (as a whole, not individually), therefore warrenting even a reasonable plausibility, much less justifying a belief in them?

I agree with you in that it really doesn't make much sense to call yourself a christian if you no longer hold its doctrine fully. I don't see any harm in people developing their own belief systems out of various goods from different religions; but you're right, once you start doing that, you really aren't a christian anymore. You've basically developed your own religion. On the other hand, although some of the things she mentioned aren't necessarily inlign with christian doctrine, that doesn't mean they are incompatible either.

 

[foreigngirl]

This has nothing to do with science. It has been well established (at least for the purposes of, and in the context of this discussion forum) that science cannot be used to establish PROOF for anything religious.

That said, I never questioned your belief in science... It is your rational for believing in "a little bit from everything" that I question. As science and religion are apparently unrelated, science should be irrelevant in this discussion anyway...


People are so quick to jump all over a Christian for stating their beliefs, but when someone else states theirs, no matter how obsurd/ unestablished they may (or may not) be, nobody questions it... how fair is that? I am not, however, saying that foreigngirl's beliefs are obsurd/ unestablished, I am purely referring to them in the context of using a specific example, in this specific situation. Her stated opinion just happened to be convenient. This is nothing personal against her whatsoever.

"in a little bit from everything" I ment science (which we agreed doesnt get in the argument) and the reincarnation.

you cant tell me that as you read some books or watch shows about Christianity it doesnt make you think: what if? The reincarnation that I talked about is not reffered to the Budhist. I recomend you read B.D. Benedikt "Karma" so you can understand what I am talking about.

 

[javaguru]

Honestly, what is "Christian doctrine", every sect has come up with their own way to salvation; Organized religion IS the opiate of the masses. I encourage spirituallity because it's about free will and evaluation. Organized religion is nothing more than slavery of the mind.

 

[krishna]

Honestly, what is "Christian doctrine", every sect has come up with their own way to salvation; Organized religion IS the opiate of the masses. I encourage spirituallity because it's about free will and evaluation. Organized religion is nothing more than slavery of the mind.

I agree! I feel that the truely spiritual being has to deal with their inner workings and relationships through their own insight and experience. Everyone's path is different, and all religion does is take you away from that and cause you to conform to its mental prison.

 

[Devastation]

to be a Christian is to follow the teachings of Christ. no more no less. organized religion is a sham imo. Christianity, i believe, is not

i would never condemn another person's beliefs about their religion, or what they hold sacred/spiritual. i would rather learn about it and make my own deductions about what that religion holds of value, as they all hold something to be learned from (notice i didn't say taken from and followed, the ol pick and choose my religion type thing). i enjoy learning