Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below First cycle info. Oral only, non-drinker. Doesn't want to do injections. Looking for ideas, something that would give similar results to a 10 week of test e but in pill form. Ideas?
Oral only first cycle
- Thread starter whitedragon
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It's actually for a buddy, I know, sounds like a lie.
He's 25, about 6'0 and 190? BF in the low teens. Been working out since high school I think. We hit the gym 5 days a week now and he's been very consistent since I've known him which is a little over 2 years. Not a drinker so his liver should be good.
I'm going to do a 10 wk test e cycle, he wants to do something similar but he's scared of needles. So he wants to do pills, yes he knows they suck and the problems with them, but that's what he wants to do.
He's 25, about 6'0 and 190? BF in the low teens. Been working out since high school I think. We hit the gym 5 days a week now and he's been very consistent since I've known him which is a little over 2 years. Not a drinker so his liver should be good.
I'm going to do a 10 wk test e cycle, he wants to do something similar but he's scared of needles. So he wants to do pills, yes he knows they suck and the problems with them, but that's what he wants to do.
Looks like he needs a few more years of training to reach his genetic potential before he resorts to aas.
Does he even have the knowledge of aas and PCT?
Does he even have the knowledge of aas and PCT?
by that sounds like he doesnt work out or he has no idea how to eat and train..6 ft at 190 and high body fat is not very good base to start on
+1
yur buddy needs to learn how to eat right and train right.
He won't get great results even with steroids if he can't do those correctly.
yes, diet, training, rest, etc...
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6' and only 190 with body fat in the low teens? Something isn't adding up. He's diet is either very poor, and he's workout routine sucks, or most likely it's a combination of both.
Tell him to come here and visit the diet and weight training forums and get those down before he even considers gear.
Ouch, you guys are tough 
When I said low teens I meant more like 11%, I guess everyone figured like 14, 15. Anyways, he cut down from 220 to like 187 and got to 10% which is pretty lean I think abs and all. I think he's around 11, still has abs.
I'll tell him to check out the sections in the forums. I've been training for 15 years, now I feel it's too soon even
Well, I'm still going to do it
When I said low teens I meant more like 11%, I guess everyone figured like 14, 15. Anyways, he cut down from 220 to like 187 and got to 10% which is pretty lean I think abs and all. I think he's around 11, still has abs.
I'll tell him to check out the sections in the forums. I've been training for 15 years, now I feel it's too soon even
Well, I'm still going to do it
Ouch, you guys are tough
When I said low teens I meant more like 11%, I guess everyone figured like 14, 15. Anyways, he cut down from 220 to like 187 and got to 10% which is pretty lean I think abs and all. I think he's around 11, still has abs.
I'll tell him to check out the sections in the forums. I've been training for 15 years, now I feel it's too soon even
Well, I'm still going to do it
We aren't being tough, just honest. 6' 190 is skinny, and food is the only answer. high protein high carbs and hit the weights with intensity.
daveyboy2345
New member
if he is an ectomorph than his stats are ok and may be ready for a first cycle. Still, he needs to reevaluate his diet and training first and check again in 4-6 months to see if thats the problem. He could cut the training down to mon, tue, thurs, fri and add a 1,000 calories 2 his current diet, eliminate any cardio for awhile.
Ouch, you guys are tough
When I said low teens I meant more like 11%, I guess everyone figured like 14, 15. Anyways, he cut down from 220 to like 187 and got to 10% which is pretty lean I think abs and all. I think he's around 11, still has abs.
I'll tell him to check out the sections in the forums. I've been training for 15 years, now I feel it's too soon even
Well, I'm still going to do it
220-187? He cut 37lbs and he's still in the low teens? ouch. He definetly needs to get his diet/routine in check before gear.
yo ,miplank,,HAIL THE MIGHTY KNOWLEDGABLE MIPLANK,KING OF KINGS ,THANKS FOR ALL YOUR ADVICE,,,is that better,lol
he is not an ectomorph if he was at 220 went to 187 and still got double digit bodyfat numbers ..
ryno9000
New member
Get off your high horses guys! I can assure you that 98% of the folks on this forum, even many of the "good bros" did not wait until their "genetic potential" was maximized, they did not already have competition ready bodies before deciding they wanted aas to take them over the top. Not everyone on here (including myself) eats perfect clean diets, has perfect training habits and maintains a perfect schedule resulting in a perfect body. I do understand the advice if someone was completely not ready, but this guy doesn't sound like he is not ready for steroids. If he's ready, he's ready. Bomb me if you want, but seriously I think many of you are pots calling the kettle black, and have this elitist mentality about you and your choice of aas use.
If you want an opinion of an all oral cycle:
1-10 anavar 40-60mg/day
1-4 T-bol 60mg/day
That's something I would run, but everyone on here is probably going to attack me now or say that cycle would suck. Liver protectant if you are worried.
If you want an opinion of an all oral cycle:
1-10 anavar 40-60mg/day
1-4 T-bol 60mg/day
That's something I would run, but everyone on here is probably going to attack me now or say that cycle would suck. Liver protectant if you are worried.
tinytim-nor
Banned
week 1-6: 100mg anadrol ED
week 1-10: 20mg dbol ED
week 1-10: 40mg anavar ED
That should give some great results with strength, lean mass,
Better drink a lot of water, NO alcohol, get lots of fiber, veggies and healthy fats(fishoil) as well as 3-400g protein a day.
Oh... I don't think your liver will die IF and I repeat IF it's healthy. Have some liver support during the cycle and right after. And don't do this cycle again without bloodwork first.
And tot hose who say this is crazy and dangerous: Yeah a little crazy, but not really that dangerous IF he has a healthy liver.
week 1-10: 20mg dbol ED
week 1-10: 40mg anavar ED
That should give some great results with strength, lean mass,
Better drink a lot of water, NO alcohol, get lots of fiber, veggies and healthy fats(fishoil) as well as 3-400g protein a day.
Oh... I don't think your liver will die IF and I repeat IF it's healthy. Have some liver support during the cycle and right after. And don't do this cycle again without bloodwork first.
And tot hose who say this is crazy and dangerous: Yeah a little crazy, but not really that dangerous IF he has a healthy liver.
that is some pretty bad advice right here...good job buddy!
lipids will def hate u....
tinytim-nor
Banned
Yeah of course it is.
Orals are bad... because... well, because... um...
Read something other than the bro-boards, and you might realize that it's not so bad advice. Have you tried a cycle similar to the one I suggested? No? Well I have. It was good!
fitzchivalry
New member
I tend to agree. A lot of forums say this when the vast majority do not wait until they reach their "genetic potential" (who even knows when you reach it) and than say things like you have to be like 5'9" at 220 with 10% bodyfat before you ever use anything. And yes I've seen that example given. Don't they realize that even top true naturals don't even come close to those measurements?
What you suggested is called ABUSE, not use.
Subtract anadrol out of the equation, and maybe it's not so bad. Why would you stack anadrol and dbol together anyways?
Sure, he'll get results , but nothing 30mg dbol ED couldn't do for a first.
Anadrol is for someone with some experience.
ryno9000
New member
It's all subjective anyway. What works for some may not work for others. Stacking low doses of dbol/anadrol is not unheard of. SOme may think 500mg of test is abuse while others say that is bare minimum. Regardless, I think this guy could do well from an oral only cycle and people shouldn't just attack you with these ultimate ideals and say "you aren't ready bro. I am. But you aren't." Its a steamy pile of shit. Especially when this site has flashing adds that say "GO from this (fat pale hairy guy) to THIS (tan, shaved ripped huge dude)." Such bullshit. Its ok for EF to write and sell the book but we can't talk about it to someone who has smaller stats than ours.
tinytim-nor
Banned
Good post!
Think it was gavin kane that spoke of stacking drol with dbol for good results. So after reading lots of medical studies where people (even children) were on anadrol for YEARS without damaging their liver... well, I tried 6 weeks of stacking 100mg anadrol, 30-40mg dianabol and 50mg winstrol. Dropped the winny (sore joints) after week two. Stayed on the dbol and drol for the rest of the 6 weeks. Some backpump, otherwise NO sides. except massive strength gains!
My liver didn't explode. One week into pct I have dropped only two pounds (gained 20). NO loss of strength so far. oh well...
Wow. I dont know where to begin with this thread.
Its funny that your bro knows its not the best idea to do an oral only cycle, but insists anyways. I think we call that looking for the easy way out around here? Tell you're bro that his side effects will be much less dramatic and his gains much better, as well as much more keepable, if he stops being a pussy and takes the needle. Does he plan on doing only orals his whole life? If not...tell him to take advantage of this first cycle. I've done a few oral only cycles and I'm speaking from experience.
And 6', 190lbs, if hes under 9% or so, definantly isn't skinny. Fk the genetic limit people, 99.999% of everyone on this board juiced too early.
So since everything I said above will likely end up being ignored, heres my suggestion:
Tbol, 1-6wks, 40-50mg/ed.
Dbol and/or anadrol will cause some serious bloat. This means more side effects. Acne, water retention/bloat, high blood pressure. And who wants that fking moon face anyways? I assume since your bro has been leaning out, he doesn't want to put on water weight. So you people just keep suggesting the strong androgens
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Keep it simple. With tbol youll retain no water (less sides) while putting on lean muscle. Most all orals become ineffective after the 6th week, or earlier, and can really trash your lipid profile. Im strongly against multiple orals being taken at once and i, among the majority of vets here, who have years and years of experience and have spectated thousands of other users experiences as well, will agree that that is bad advice.
Its funny that your bro knows its not the best idea to do an oral only cycle, but insists anyways. I think we call that looking for the easy way out around here? Tell you're bro that his side effects will be much less dramatic and his gains much better, as well as much more keepable, if he stops being a pussy and takes the needle. Does he plan on doing only orals his whole life? If not...tell him to take advantage of this first cycle. I've done a few oral only cycles and I'm speaking from experience.
And 6', 190lbs, if hes under 9% or so, definantly isn't skinny. Fk the genetic limit people, 99.999% of everyone on this board juiced too early.
So since everything I said above will likely end up being ignored, heres my suggestion:
Tbol, 1-6wks, 40-50mg/ed.
Dbol and/or anadrol will cause some serious bloat. This means more side effects. Acne, water retention/bloat, high blood pressure. And who wants that fking moon face anyways? I assume since your bro has been leaning out, he doesn't want to put on water weight. So you people just keep suggesting the strong androgens
.Keep it simple. With tbol youll retain no water (less sides) while putting on lean muscle. Most all orals become ineffective after the 6th week, or earlier, and can really trash your lipid profile. Im strongly against multiple orals being taken at once and i, among the majority of vets here, who have years and years of experience and have spectated thousands of other users experiences as well, will agree that that is bad advice.
needtogetaas
New member
Man I am pretty close to banning you for giving out advice like this. 160mg of orals a ed for the first 6 weeks. wtf
