Oral only first cycle

[tinytim-nor]

that is some pretty bad advice right here...good job buddy!

Yeah of course it is.

Orals are bad... because... well, because... um...

Read something other than the bro-boards, and you might realize that it's not so bad advice. Have you tried a cycle similar to the one I suggested? No? Well I have. It was good!

 

[fitzchivalry]

Get off your high horses guys! I can assure you that 98% of the folks on this forum, even many of the "good bros" did not wait until their "genetic potential" was maximized, they did not already have competition ready bodies before deciding they wanted aas to take them over the top. Not everyone on here (including myself) eats perfect clean diets, has perfect training habits and maintains a perfect schedule resulting in a perfect body. I do understand the advice if someone was completely not ready, but this guy doesn't sound like he is not ready for steroids. If he's ready, he's ready. Bomb me if you want, but seriously I think many of you are pots calling the kettle black, and have this elitist mentality about you and your choice of aas use.

I tend to agree. A lot of forums say this when the vast majority do not wait until they reach their "genetic potential" (who even knows when you reach it) and than say things like you have to be like 5'9" at 220 with 10% bodyfat before you ever use anything. And yes I've seen that example given. Don't they realize that even top true naturals don't even come close to those measurements?

 

[dabuffguy]

Yeah of course it is.

Orals are bad... because... well, because... um...

Read something other than the bro-boards, and you might realize that it's not so bad advice. Have you tried a cycle similar to the one I suggested? No? Well I have. It was good!

What you suggested is called ABUSE, not use.

Subtract anadrol out of the equation, and maybe it's not so bad. Why would you stack anadrol and dbol together anyways?

Sure, he'll get results , but nothing 30mg dbol ED couldn't do for a first.

Anadrol is for someone with some experience.

 

[ryno9000]

What you suggested is called ABUSE, not use.

Subtract anadrol out of the equation, and maybe it's not so bad. Why would you stack anadrol and dbol together anyways?

Sure, he'll get results , but nothing 30mg dbol ED couldn't do for a first.

Anadrol is for someone with some experience.

It's all subjective anyway. What works for some may not work for others. Stacking low doses of dbol/anadrol is not unheard of. SOme may think 500mg of test is abuse while others say that is bare minimum. Regardless, I think this guy could do well from an oral only cycle and people shouldn't just attack you with these ultimate ideals and say "you aren't ready bro. I am. But you aren't." Its a steamy pile of shit. Especially when this site has flashing adds that say "GO from this (fat pale hairy guy) to THIS (tan, shaved ripped huge dude)." Such bullshit. Its ok for EF to write and sell the book but we can't talk about it to someone who has smaller stats than ours.

 

[tinytim-nor]

It's all subjective anyway. What works for some may not work for others. Stacking low doses of dbol/anadrol is not unheard of. SOme may think 500mg of test is abuse while others say that is bare minimum. Regardless, I think this guy could do well from an oral only cycle and people shouldn't just attack you with these ultimate ideals and say "you aren't ready bro. I am. But you aren't." Its a steamy pile of shit. Especially when this site has flashing adds that say "GO from this (fat pale hairy guy) to THIS (tan, shaved ripped huge dude)." Such bullshit. Its ok for EF to write and sell the book but we can't talk about it to someone who has smaller stats than ours.

Good post!

Think it was gavin kane that spoke of stacking drol with dbol for good results. So after reading lots of medical studies where people (even children) were on anadrol for YEARS without damaging their liver... well, I tried 6 weeks of stacking 100mg anadrol, 30-40mg dianabol and 50mg winstrol. Dropped the winny (sore joints) after week two. Stayed on the dbol and drol for the rest of the 6 weeks. Some backpump, otherwise NO sides. except massive strength gains!

My liver didn't explode. One week into pct I have dropped only two pounds (gained 20). NO loss of strength so far. oh well...

 

[khemix]

Wow. I dont know where to begin with this thread.

Its funny that your bro knows its not the best idea to do an oral only cycle, but insists anyways. I think we call that looking for the easy way out around here? Tell you're bro that his side effects will be much less dramatic and his gains much better, as well as much more keepable, if he stops being a pussy and takes the needle. Does he plan on doing only orals his whole life? If not...tell him to take advantage of this first cycle. I've done a few oral only cycles and I'm speaking from experience.

And 6', 190lbs, if hes under 9% or so, definantly isn't skinny. Fk the genetic limit people, 99.999% of everyone on this board juiced too early.

So since everything I said above will likely end up being ignored, heres my suggestion:
Tbol, 1-6wks, 40-50mg/ed.

Dbol and/or anadrol will cause some serious bloat. This means more side effects. Acne, water retention/bloat, high blood pressure. And who wants that fking moon face anyways? I assume since your bro has been leaning out, he doesn't want to put on water weight. So you people just keep suggesting the strong androgens .

Keep it simple. With tbol youll retain no water (less sides) while putting on lean muscle. Most all orals become ineffective after the 6th week, or earlier, and can really trash your lipid profile. Im strongly against multiple orals being taken at once and i, among the majority of vets here, who have years and years of experience and have spectated thousands of other users experiences as well, will agree that that is bad advice.

 

[needtogetaas]

week 1-6: 100mg anadrol ED
week 1-10: 20mg dbol ED
week 1-10: 40mg anavar ED

That should give some great results with strength, lean mass,

Better drink a lot of water, NO alcohol, get lots of fiber, veggies and healthy fats(fishoil) as well as 3-400g protein a day.

Oh... I don't think your liver will die IF and I repeat IF it's healthy. Have some liver support during the cycle and right after. And don't do this cycle again without bloodwork first.

And tot hose who say this is crazy and dangerous: Yeah a little crazy, but not really that dangerous IF he has a healthy liver.

Man I am pretty close to banning you for giving out advice like this. 160mg of orals a ed for the first 6 weeks. wtf

 

[the_alcatraz]

week 1-6: 100mg anadrol ED
week 1-10: 20mg dbol ED
week 1-10: 40mg anavar ED

That should give some great results with strength, lean mass,

Better drink a lot of water, NO alcohol, get lots of fiber, veggies and healthy fats(fishoil) as well as 3-400g protein a day.

Oh... I don't think your liver will die IF and I repeat IF it's healthy. Have some liver support during the cycle and right after. And don't do this cycle again without bloodwork first.

And tot hose who say this is crazy and dangerous: Yeah a little crazy, but not really that dangerous IF he has a healthy liver.

That is the most retarded advice you can give someone. And I'm being nice.