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[Toogood]

21 y.o......why is everyone in such a rush these days?

~EZ

Im definitely not in a rush to start a cycle. I personally believe that since I'm young and in my youth I want to look the best I can and I do not think one cycle planed out with proper dosages and PCT will do any harm to me. So why not start now?

 

[stevesmi]

Since this is going to be my first cycle I wanted to do a mild substance that will still give me substantial gains. I would like to gain a good solid 20-30 pounds off of it and keep around 15-20 pounds after its all said and done with the PCT.
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bro these types of goals are unrealistic and unnecessary.

if you gained that much weight that fast it would just be water weight.

also wanting a mild substance that will give you substantial gains and not suppress you isn't realistic either. all AAS will suppress, some more than others.

at your height and weight and the stats you are saying I have no problem recommending a first cycle to you...

a good first cycle is test for 10 weeks, maybe kickstarted with some low dose dbol. if you are gonna run sustanon for 12 weeks keep in mind its gonna be in your system 15 weeks total which will make recovery tougher. i would drop it down to 10 weeks.

and for PCT i always recommend hcg, HMG, low dose SERM, and natty supps like unleashed/post cycle and hcgenerate then bloods should be run

 

[Toogood]

You want to have the armidex in hand to use .5 or 1 mg ed to combat the sides of gyno if it arises in the middle of your cycle. The rest looks pretty good, looks like you did your reasearch.

Wouldn't the forma be good enough to combat the sides of gyno? If not I will def pick some up just to be safe. Thats one of my worse fears is to get gyno lol.

Thanks though man, I did do a decent amount of research so I don't mess anything up while ON cycle and OFF cycle.

Whats the typical gains one can see with sust 250? Granted there diet and training is on point.

 

[stevesmi]

Im definitely not in a rush to start a cycle. I personally believe that since I'm young and in my youth I want to look the best I can and I do not think one cycle planed out with proper dosages and PCT will do any harm to me. So why not start now?

there are many guys on this site who ran cycles young and ran into gyno, and recovery issues. one guy actually had to go on TRT in his early 20's for the rest of his life. so there are risks, the sooner you open the can of worms the bigger the risks.

at 21 you are still pretty young. ever see a pic of someone who is 30 vs. 21? you will see a man vs. boy in this pics. in fact, most of the stronger guys I've seen at the gym are in their 40's, not 20's.

 

[Toogood]

I thought it was typical for a first user to gain that amount of weight during a cycle for 10-12 weeks? But it does make since that a lot of that would be water weight, whats the average one can expect for there first cycle just so I have something to go by.

Also I just said I wanted a mild substance, not one thats mild and doesn't suppress me... Not too sure what you mean by suppress though.

there are many guys on this site who ran cycles young and ran into gyno, and recovery issues. one guy actually had to go on TRT in his early 20's for the rest of his life. so there are risks, the sooner you open the can of worms the bigger the risks.

at 21 you are still pretty young. ever see a pic of someone who is 30 vs. 21? you will see a man vs. boy in this pics. in fact, most of the stronger guys I've seen at the gym are in their 40's, not 20's.

Now those guys you mentioned that ran into gyno and recovery problems, did they actually do a proper cycle and PCT? Or did they stack too many compounds during there first cycle?

I don't think your comparison is valid, thats like comparing Tom Brady to Tim Tebow... of course Brady is 100000 times better because he's been in the game a lot longer then Tebow..

Same goes for a 30 year old compared to a 21 year old.. Yes I am 21, (In my youth) not any where close to my PRIME where as the 30 year old is in fact in his prime.

Thanks for your advice though, I'm not too sure I want to do dbol.. Seems like a little too strong for me for my first cycle so I'm just gonna stick with one compound.
I will also drop my cycle down to 10 weeks as well. That will be better for me anyways since I have some things coming up around November and don't want to be on a cycle when I go on a cruise.

What Serm do you usually use?

 

[stevesmi]

I thought it was typical for a first user to gain that amount of weight during a cycle for 10-12 weeks? But it does make since that a lot of that would be water weight, whats the average one can expect for there first cycle just so I have something to go by.

the reason first time roid users gain so much is cause a lot of times they are way below their genetic potential... like if a guy benches 125 pounds, runs 6 weeks of dbol and now benches 200 he will brag to his friends he put on 75 pounds of strength on his bench, when all along it was the fact he never worked out hard and he could of easily got to 200 without AAS. this happens all the time. my last tren cycle i gained 2, yes TWO pounds.. and it was a successful cycle. i have a log up with before and after pics.. the scale means nothing, the best indicator of a good cycle is before/after pics.

Also I just said I wanted a mild substance, not one thats mild and doesn't suppress me... Not too sure what you mean by suppress though.

all AAS will suppress your HPTA, some will shut you down quicker than others.. some will shut you down longer than others.

Now those guys you mentioned that ran into gyno and recovery problems, did they actually do a proper cycle and PCT? Or did they stack too many compounds during there first cycle?

they all had 1 thing in common.. lack of experience.. they were not able to see the mistakes they were making so they compounded it instead of correcting them. you wanting to run test only is a smart decision... running deca or tren for a first cycle is not.

I don't think your comparison is valid, thats like comparing Tom Brady to Tim Tebow... of course Brady is 100000 times better because he's been in the game a lot longer then Tebow..

Same goes for a 30 year old compared to a 21 year old.. Yes I am 21, (In my youth) not any where close to my PRIME where as the 30 year old is in fact in his prime.

when you juice you are opening up a can of worms... your HPTA will get effected, the longer you hold out the better for this reason. i guarantee you your test levels right now are high enough to get great gains naturally with some supplements that aren't suppressive. i hate to see people in their 20's go on TRT, its a waste.

Thanks for your advice though, I'm not too sure I want to do dbol.. Seems like a little too strong for me for my first cycle so I'm just gonna stick with one compound.
I will also drop my cycle down to 10 weeks as well. That will be better for me anyways since I have some things coming up around November and don't want to be on a cycle when I go on a cruise.

What Serm do you usually use?

depends on the cycle but for your situation a low dose clomid 12.5-25mg ED will be sufficient WITH natty supps like unleashed/post cycle to give you that extra boost

in bold, hope i answered your questions and this makes sense. for the record like i said above i think for your height you are a pretty strong dude for being natural. I am 5 6 and my max bench is 330ish too but my legs are way stronger.. perhaps you should hammer your legs a bit more before running your first cycle at the very least.

 

[EZ_E]

Stevesmi took the words right outta my mouth...

~EZ

 

[Toogood]

in bold, hope i answered your questions and this makes sense. for the record like i said above i think for your height you are a pretty strong dude for being natural. I am 5 6 and my max bench is 330ish too but my legs are way stronger.. perhaps you should hammer your legs a bit more before running your first cycle at the very least.

Very true about guys starting out with very little experience and then gaining that much strength, I didn't really take that into consideration.

Your information was helpful and you did answer my questions.

Could you give me the link to your Tren cycle, I want to see how it looked and how it was planned out. Also yes I am young and should probably wait a little longer to do them but I think it would be safe to just do this one cycle to give me a little extra boost. I only plan on doing one cycle anyways, nothing more.

Since you seem real knowledgeable about how to run a correct cycle could you help me out with what you would do with the dosages of the PCT and when exactly to take it? I will also be getting some clomid as you mentioned, start taking that for the duration of the cycle as well?

Thanks again for advice and your lengthly post. I have also been hitting my legs pretty hard and they are improving with every workout!

 

[obsessedwliftin]

175g protein x4= 700 calories
210g carbs x4= 840 calories
90g fat x 9= 810 calories

Total calories= 2350 calories.

(Correct me if I'm wrong).

So do you think I should add in the Arimidex or is my PCT good the way it is?
Also does anyone have any advice on the dosages?

I would definitely have the adex on hand bro. Not worth it if estrogen spikes. As said above .5 ir 1.0 would be your dosage per day I would almost run it just for insurance really. Like you I would rather be safe than sorry. You do seem strong bro so I hope this cycle serves you well.


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[obsessedwliftin]

And I must stand corrected I miscalculated on your nutrients so I do apologize on that one bro. My bad.

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