Once you're in you're in for life

[Slyder190]

I hope not. I think I'll get out of the game at one point. 2 cycles a year, 12 week bulker, 12 week cutter.

 

[Dial_tone]

im not speaking tongue-in-cheek (for once) but JA, it would be a really good idea to really, honestly stop and reassess what you are doing.

you are describing addictive behaviour, especially in losing intensity/motivation while off.

i have nothing against juicing rationally and moderately, but your behaviour could be problematic. juice should be supplemental, not the basis of your training mentality

cheers mate

I do pretty well training naturally also. I don't expect gains to be the same but at the very least I expect to maintain size & strength, improve my cardio and improve all the internals.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

strength continues to climb when I am off, train exactly the same and with the same intesity, its all in your head, I am all natural now and bigger and leaner than I ever was while cycling, a perfected diet works wonders

 

[benard_80]

I see wher your coming from Juicer. Im not as motivated either in the weight room now that im off. But in the end I know I have to quit cycle sometime because i cant do it forever. I guess it really all is just a mind thing though.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

maybe....

some get pretty silly with it. I think using in moderation is great. i can definitely see that there may be some great health benefits...especially as i get older.....but it can't be abused.

i can see myself doing moderate cycles of test maybe primo, and using GH as i get older.

Agreed..

 

[guards]

I've been off for almost a year now and have had to teach myself new ways of training.

It's been a good learning experience for me because i had to rework my diet and training to achieve the same goals. Next time around I will be bigger, badder, better

 

[satchboogie]

not for me..

although your philosophy applies to my efedrine usage.

 

[Juice Authority]

im not speaking tongue-in-cheek (for once) but JA, it would be a really good idea to really, honestly stop and reassess what you are doing.

you are describing addictive behaviour, especially in losing intensity/motivation while off.

i have nothing against juicing rationally and moderately, but your behaviour could be problematic. juice should be supplemental, not the basis of your training mentality

cheers mate

Totally agree but like I said it affects different people different ways. I was speaking for me, not anyone else. Whether you have addictive behavior or not it's hard to maintain the same drive while your size and strength go down post cycle. Yes, it is supplemental and hardly the basis of training but there is a distinguishable difference while on and that is what is the physiologically defeating part of training off cycle.

 

[Ulter]

I think the people who find it difficult to go on and off and change their training accordingly have an addictive personality. I do. But I think the character of the individual is called into question when they can't get past that addictive personality. I quit cycling, alcohol, smoking, drugs, and all it took for me was deciding to just stop and making my mind up not do whatever I wanted to quit. No excuses.
Sure it's more fun to keep adding weight to the bar on AS but that goes away after a while. That while may be 3 months or 3 years, but it does go away. It's like building a sand castle. At some point you want to start over and build it again, maybe a different way. I have come off for as long as 4 years at a time and then started over.
At this point I am 40 pounds lighter than I was at my peak weight but that doesn't stop me from enjoying my training and cycling. I don't come off anymore but I go up and back down on my doses. So for me going up is a cycle. I think after many years you'll end up the same way.

 

[Juice Authority]

I think the people who find it difficult to go on and off and change their training accordingly have an addictive personality. I do. But I think the character of the individual is called into question when they can't get past that addictive personality. I quit cycling, alcohol, smoking, drugs, and all it took for me was deciding to just stop and making my mind up not do whatever I wanted to quit. No excuses.
Sure it's more fun to keep adding weight to the bar on AS but that goes away after a while. That while may be 3 months or 3 years, but it does go away. It's like building a sand castle. At some point you want to start over and build it again, maybe a different way. I have come off for as long as 4 years at a time and then started over.
At this point I am 40 pounds lighter than I was at my peak weight but that doesn't stop me from enjoying my training and cycling. I don't come off anymore but I go up and back down on my doses. So for me going up is a cycle. I think after many years you'll end up the same way.

I thought you've been "on" for the last 3 yrs or so. What do you think would happen if you stopped abruptly and went natural? How long do you think it would take for your T-levels to return to baseline? In all honesty, they may never bounce back.