OK, MY cycle.....Critique it.

[BBig phenom]

Orbit labs EQ....

Weeks 1-10 500mg on Monday and Thursday.

Syrus labs ProTest-100

Weeks 1-10 100mg eod.

Now I have never taken HCG and want to at the end of this cycle. How much and when.?

Also, I have been hearing about the ProNPP from Syrus. Could I substitute that for the prop.? How much should I take of the ProNPP if I decide to take it.

Thanks guys for helping me.

 

[sweed]

it would help the other guys if u could tell us you cycle history along with your other stats, age, training history, diet etc. sounds like u need to do a little more research imo

 

[zorian]

You should search on Post Cycle Therapy (PCT). HCG is good to use throughout your cycle. I try to do 500 iu's a week just to keep fullness in my testes.

 

[BBig phenom]

I am right now 6'3" about 225lbs.. around 13% bf.... I eat a very good diet... eating about 6 meals a day ranging from chicken, tuna...venicine and read meat......of course carbs as well.

I am 26 years old and this will be i believe my 7th cycle....mostly before just done sustanon with fina ,,, some EQ and d-bol.....

Just wanting to put on about 15lbs of good solid muscle... Now the HCG 500iu a week is good enough.....?

 

[BBig phenom]

come on vets......how does it look?

 

[jbradley2093]

Do you mean you will do a gram a week of EQ? Or 500 split up into 2 doses?

Also NPP is a compound similiar to deca, and in that cycle should not be substituted in place of prop.

After a bit of research, and getting advice from a few vets I don't think you need HCG throughout the cycle.

HCG 1000IU's 3x a week on M-W-F for 3 weeks PCT
Run Clomid 50mg ED for 5 weeks (2 weeks past the HCG)
Nolva at 20mg ED for 5 weeks as well.

 

[lawnsaver]

Do you mean you will do a gram a week of EQ? Or 500 split up into 2 doses?

Also NPP is a compound similiar to deca, and in that cycle should not be substituted in place of prop.

After a bit of research, and getting advice from a few vets I don't think you need HCG throughout the cycle.

HCG 1000IU's 3x a week on M-W-F for 3 weeks PCT
Run Clomid 50mg ED for 5 weeks (2 weeks past the HCG)
Nolva at 20mg ED for 5 weeks as well.

Although this HCG program works most of the time, why not prevent the atrophy from happening??

Taking small doses throughout the cycle will prevent the problem.

I also dont understand why the clomid/N-dex during the HCG??

HCG is suppressive and will render the clomid useless, well maybe it will work to lower estrogen.

The prevention will allow your PCT to only focus on the HPTA and no the testicles.

 

[jbradley2093]

Although this HCG program works most of the time, why not prevent the atrophy from happening??

Taking small doses throughout the cycle will prevent the problem.

I also dont understand why the clomid/N-dex during the HCG??

HCG is suppressive and will render the clomid useless, well maybe it will work to lower estrogen.

The prevention will allow your PCT to only focus on the HPTA and no the testicles.

Well until recently I was also un(der)educated in this matter.

As I have learned from Jenetic;

AND I QUOTE:

HCG is to synthetic testosterone as Clomid and Nolvadex are to tribulus.

The action of HCG is identical to that of pituitary LH. This takes place independantly and is not affected by exogenous hormones and/or preexisting HPTA suppression. Therefore, it directly causes a dramatic increase in endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume. Obviously, the impact is strong enough considering HCG usage is commonly associated with the developement of gynecomastia.

Both Clomid and Nolvadex increase pituitary LH secretion in secondary manner by blocking estrogen negative feedback on the HPTA. On average, this is not strong enough by itself to counteract the severe imbalance in the androgen:estrogen ratio that is encountered post cycle.

Regardless, endogenous LH secretion increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The primary goal during the first three weeks of PCT is to quickly restore testicular volume. Also, the dramatic increase in testosterone production is necessary to avoid and/or minimize the "crash" effect. It's not meant to be used as a long term solution. As previously mentioned, both Nolvadex and Clomid increase pituitary LH secretion by blocking estrogen negative feedback on the HTPA. Therefore, SERMs are used during PCT as an anti estrogen and to continue the stimulation of pituitary LH after HCG has been discontinued

1,000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional
2-3 weeks. During heavy or prolonged cycles, you may increase the HCG dosage to 1,500 IU's if necessary and incorporate 50-100 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks in combination with both HCG and Nolvadex. Continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 2-3 weeks in combination with Nolvadex. Finally, perform blood work to evaluate your recovery. Many people claim to be recovered and then find out the hard way later on.

Forget about one being better than the other. They are all different and have their place during PCT.



Don't give me credit for this (However I'll take the Karma for the leg work) this is all from Jenetic's Big Brain

 

[BBig phenom]

So does my cycle look pretty solid.?

 

[BBig phenom]

The EQ will be 250mg on monday and Thursday. So when should I take HCG the last 3 weeks of my cycle or just take 500iu a week during the cycle.?