Ok Dudes, Long Or Short Cycles?

[Juice Authority]

So no one is going to argue JuiceAuthority's claim that your HPTA shuts down on a 3 week cycle?
curious minds want to know

Of coruse not because I am right and it is well documented by the medical community that your hpta shuts down two weeks or less into a cycle. By week 3 at heavy androgen doses you ain't producing any of your testosterone. That's the point at which Nelson suggests stopping - after you're completely shut down. That's when you need it the most. Nelson is an idiot.

 

[Juice Authority]

I admittedly haven't read many of these studies but I'm of the belief that "shutdown/recovery" is a gradually declining/inclining scale, not an on/off light switch. As far as whether the gains on a short cycle net higher than a long one I think it's beside the point. The point was short cycles for HEALTH, not short cycles to the Mr. Olympia title. Considering 70% of the people here are simply training to look good naked or at the beach, I don't see why so many people are juicing like they're Ronnie Coleman.

You and I have chatted on several occassions regarding the short-cycle approach to AAS. I believe you were of the opinion that moderate doses taken over an 8-10 week period yielded the best results based on your experience. You were curious about Nelson's short-cycle theory but you mentioned that you haven't experimented with it because you questioned it's efficacy. I agreed with you that short cycles were healthier but we both felt that that 8-10 week cycle was a more effective approach.

 

[Fonz]

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Long, low dose cycles are the worst. As you said, the first few weeks are when you get the best gains anyway. Hit it hard and get out!

Again, Nelson Montana sticks his foot in it.

Sure MUSCLES CAN GROW in a relatively short time.

But what about their neural counter-parts that let you move those muscles?

Adaptation to your new found muscle mass by your nerve clusters takes FAR, FAR longer hence why short-cycles under 8 weeks is a COMPLETE AND TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.

End of story.

Why are we even on this topic?

Its been refuted by about a hundred people already but NM just wants to be a controversial marsupial like usual to sell his cherished e-books.

Thats it.

Any more stupid posts like this one...LOCKED by me.

Learn some chemistry first...then write.

Fonz