OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of the

[BrothaBill]

Re: OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of

well.. mine is Pro choice it is the persons choice. 5 does sound like a lot but i see no difference in that and a condom. Most won't agree.
We feel sorry for little babies they are cute and sweet. If we did not feel this way would of not survived, it is built in to have these protecive feeling.

If we did not have them it would be really hard to take care of a screaming child on little sleep.

I can look inside a woman and see a baby with ultrasound with 4d imaging and look at the babie's face like a portrait picture. I can go into a neonate ward and see how much work has to be done to keep a premature baby alive.

Only a thin layer of skin is the dividing line between those two babies the same age. One can be killed b/c of convenience or whatever excuse, the other can be kept alive and live a full life with all the constitutional protections of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Sometimes, the rules are absolutely stupid, just b/c the human life is on the other side of some biological tissue, i.e. the mom's skin, does that make that baby any less of a human with rights that we all hold so near and dear??

Or does it make a difference yet??? I dont know the answer to this by the way.

 

[Extra_Strong]

Re: OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of

I can look inside a woman and see a baby with ultrasound with 4d imaging and look at the babie's face like a portrait picture. I can go into a neonate ward and see how much work has to be done to keep a premature baby alive.

Only a thin layer of skin is the dividing line between those two babies the same age. One can be killed b/c of convenience or whatever excuse, the other can be kept alive and live a full life with all the constitutional protections of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Sometimes, the rules are absolutely stupid, just b/c the human life is on the other side of some biological tissue, i.e. the mom's skin, does that make that baby any less of a human with rights that we all hold so near and dear??

Or does it make a difference yet??? I dont know the answer to this by the way.

When i see a baby just born i just see a little body with and empty mind.
that is not really even having a thought proccess yes.
if it smiles or laughs people think it is something they did or because the baby was thinking of something funny.

but the baby does not even know it is smiling or even what one is. It does not evenknow a language yet. So the whole thought process is unorganized.
it is slowly learning from action and reaction. there is nothing.
people say."aww look he/she likes you" nope nothing. If you know nothing then how can you be sad?

The baby does not even now what life is so how can it miss it?

 

[Spartacus]

USC aborted themselves
42 points
heh

 

[Pamela]

I don't think it's right at all.

If your going to have sex you should be prepaired to take care of yourself.

But we haven't walked in this girls shoes.

 

[UA_Iron]

Re: OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of

good, population control

shit I'm wasted

fuck you god.

 

[redshirt27se]

brothabill...big difference...one or two can be accidents, if after that you dont learn proper birth control than you are either dumb and dont deserve children, or a whore.

 

[BrothaBill]

Re: OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of

When i see a baby just born i just see a little body with and empty mind.
that is not really even having a thought proccess yes.
if it smiles or laughs people think it is something they did or because the baby was thinking of something funny.

but the baby does not even know it is smiling or even what one is. It does not evenknow a language yet. So the whole thought process is unorganized.
it is slowly learning from action and reaction. there is nothing.
people say."aww look he/she likes you" nope nothing. If you know nothing then how can you be sad?

The baby does not even now what life is so how can it miss it?

Thank you for the thoughtful response.

It is some say, born with a "Tabula Rasa" in essence, a blank slate, my archnemisis Lestat and I have had great discussions on this about circumcision and pain.
But, what is knowing nothing. Is that the ultimate innocent that should be protected> isnt it true, the more one learns, the less innocent they become. The ultimate act of justice would be to protect not harm the innocent more than protecting a jaded childmolestor.

To think of a baby in the womb as nothing means a dereliction of duty some could argue. It is the most delicate and fragile of life. But, it is alive. Some argue their is a soul, when does that become valid?? When does the Constitution of the United States kick in and give them rights, human rights? These are the questions I raise. Note, there is no right or wrong answer to this.
This is a question of human rights, not a question of choice in this discussion. Framing it as a choice question> Well the man on the street hears more choices then, well who cant be in favor of that??

The moral and ethical discussion is but what I am trying to draw out. If I was to say to a woman, Hey, your baby looks just like Brad Pitt and then dollar signs form in her eyes and decides not to have an abortion but to raise a child actor. How is that appropriate??? If I was Pro-life and hated seeing lives taken for reasons viewed as more important, wouldnt that practitioner always say "Hey, looks like Brad Pitt". Seems ridiculous argument and I dont work in obstretics except for occassionally with heart malformations but BF Skinner would say that behaviorism. Rewarding statements influences the person who utters the statements as well.

A classic example was a professor who discounted behaviorism, well Skinner got together with students of his class and every time he walked into a certain spot, his students were(by experiment design) to reward him with smiles and open eyes and questions. By the end of the semester. He spoke 95% of the time from that spot.

See,, the point is ZEN

 

[BrothaBill]

Re: OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of

brothabill...big difference...one or two can be accidents, if after that you dont learn proper birth control than you are either dumb and dont deserve children, or a whore.

No, if life begins at a certain given point, then the behavior is neither good nor bad, merely careless. But, if you are uncertain morally about abortion. You see that in order to argue pro-choice, you seem to want to give them a limit as to how many half-lives can be taken. Meaning that you view them in such a way as they are viable, but not yet full developed and for sake of argument and social issues should be allowed.

But, see thats where a discussion comes in, to draw out the other person's weak points, they either disagree or agree but we all learn in the thought experiment.

There is no differentiation of a moral act if the baby is just a bunch of cells. The word whore to label a woman can be struck down b/c of the inconsistency of word definitions compared to actual events.

Lets say you state, that every woman who has five abortions is a whore. OK, well, given the cruelty and seedier side of the reality of life. A good debator could find you a case out of literature showing a woman who mightve been raped or this or that that was forced to have an abortion. The connotation would no longer apply. And Im not talking just this culture with that analogy so dont bring up US law.
Somewhere, there was a woman who had five abortions who was not a whore being the point. Is she a murderer of five lives??

The questions I raise are not meant to be answered in one sentence. Meaning I can raise easy one sentence statements to answer my own ponderings more indepth.
The answer lies to "discuss" the issue, not just say, prochoice, proabortion or antiabortion as an answer. Clearly those answers have not solved the issue

 

[mountain muscle]

5 is a bit too many. I am not in any place to judge anyone but damn she should have learned after the second one.

 

[spongebob]

Re: OK, Abortion Question. I had a friend that married a woman he divorced and one of

good, population control

shit I'm wasted

fuck you god.

i thought you didnt believe in god?