ninjitsu

[Bam]

I don't need to know you to be able to assess that your art is not very effective.

I don't need to belittle your art with comments to make me feel better, I am an accomplished ATHLETE. I am just making a point through MY studies of several martial arts including ninjiutsu.

I totally agree with you about training in an art to better yourself spiritually and mentally, but tournaments are a good way to test your growth spiritually, mentally and physically. Tournaments are not comparing yourself to others, it is not a bodybuilding contest. They are a great way to test your growth. That is all I am saying.

Please go ahead and belittle any of the martial arts I have studied or currently study, they are all tried and PROVEN effective arts.

I don't feel like I am attacking you, I am attacking the effectiveness of your art is all. If you happen to take that as an insult than that is your problem.

If you do not think I am posting "responsibly" because I am not emailing you and kissing your ass with apoligies over comments made about your art then you need to do some seroius soul searching over whose mind it is that is limited in this DISCUSSION.

I am not insulted, You don't have the power to do that.
I did not ask for any apologies
You are not my type so you will have to kiss someone elses ass

 

[Mr.HeavyDuty]

Dude, you are obviously insulted with the way that you continue to respond.
No apologies offered.
Just a plain dumb and weak comment.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Stop bickering like children. It's getting old. Let's keep the focus on the topic: Ninjitsu.

 

[Olorin]

I took Ninjitsu for a few months a year ago before my moving out of the city forced me to stop. It was only 2 months but I still enjoyed myself. Ninjitsu is less a fighting art and almost more of a lifestyle. I don't know how effective it would be in the ring, but I don't think anyone who studies Ninjitsu cares. The purpoe of NInjitsu is not to win tournaments.

 

[Bam]

I took Ninjitsu for a few months a year ago before my moving out of the city forced me to stop. It was only 2 months but I still enjoyed myself. Ninjitsu is less a fighting art and almost more of a lifestyle. I don't know how effective it would be in the ring, but I don't think anyone who studies Ninjitsu cares. The purpoe of NInjitsu is not to win tournaments.

You are correct and I hope you can find a place to study.

If you are interested in working at home or with a friend there is quite a lot of info at this site.

http://www.ninjutsu.com/home.shtml

 

[DANABOLIC55]

Man...I come back from Augusta and this thread is still bumpin.
1-He who hits first, wether it be fist or foot, usually comes out the victor.
2-People are usually attacked by surprise- there is little time for set up.
3-Martial arts tournaments are battled with the conifines of rules- they are not street fights.
4-When have you ever seen a SEAL, RANGER, Marine, etc on the evening news who wasn't killed by a gun. The forces are taught everything- it's a way to keep a combative attitude.
5- Don't be so damn serious. You're more than likely to never use your skills unless you choose to by attacking someone or competeing.
6- Most fights don't have to go to the ground- only if you choose to or if you don't know what your doing on your feet. I have three guys who ended fights in the clinch against bigger stronger opponents.
7- You'd better learn how to ground fight.
8- you'd better learn how to use weapons defensively, going backwards and with no intention to stick around- you will go to jail.
Blah blah blah blah!!!!!!

 

[illusionofsize]

WOW!!!!
This thread is nuts(no offense to anyone).
I have never trained Ninjutsu so I can't comment on it's effectiveness or spirituality.
In all reality there has been an evolution in martial arts since the onset of BJJ/NHB events. Arts became more focused on "combat effectiveness" than spirituality.(which in all fairness is why martial arts came into being, so different tribes, cultures, people could fight)
But no-one can argue the beauty and " art" of a well executed wu-shu form.

I see nothing wrong with training in any one style for any one reason. If a chi -based art like ninjitsu or pa qua is your thing then hey, feel free to train in it.
If pure combat for competition or street fighting is your thing , again go for it.
If you feel that you will be more " spiritually aware" in a Muay thai training environment, I believe you will be disappointed.(not to say that you won't learn focus and discipline, you will)
If you feel that you will become an effective street fighter by taking Wu-shu, again I suspect disappointment.
If you think ninjutsu training will make you an elite assasin......I can't comment since I haven't trained in it.
Some arts are more combat effective than others. SOme are more spiritually enlightening.
Put it this way. If your 10 year old daughter were to take an art would you want it to be Muay Thai or Wu-shu?? Your answer dictates your position on the matter.
Personally I prefer combat effectivness and knowing that in tough circumstances I (or my little girl) can fight for myself.
Should I seek spritual enlightment I will join a church.

Really we're all trying to compare two different platforms of presentation.
Some of us want Ninjutsu to be rated as a ring/street fight effectivness. But as I understand it blowguns and poisons, etc are a ninja's main weapons and stealth is chosen over confrontation.So I'm not sure that we should blast poor Bam so quickly.
ButI am also not sure if his art should be considered comparable to muay thai or BJJ.
It's like comparing Tennis to ping pong.

Now if people would care to enlighten me on the art of ninjitsu.
I have read a little re koppo, and on becoming Haragei adept.
I also understand that the sword is actually different than a regular Katana?? Shorter and straighter??
AS well, how do they utilize all the powders and oils that I have heard about??

Focus on the freaky stuff like that and this thread should become more interesting.

 

[Bam]

WOW!!!!
This thread is nuts(no offense to anyone).
I have never trained Ninjutsu so I can't comment on it's effectiveness or spirituality.
In all reality there has been an evolution in martial arts since the onset of BJJ/NHB events. Arts became more focused on "combat effectiveness" than spirituality.(which in all fairness is why martial arts came into being, so different tribes, cultures, people could fight)
But no-one can argue the beauty and " art" of a well executed wu-shu form.

I see nothing wrong with training in any one style for any one reason. If a chi -based art like ninjitsu or pa qua is your thing then hey, feel free to train in it.
If pure combat for competition or street fighting is your thing , again go for it.
If you feel that you will be more " spiritually aware" in a Muay thai training environment, I believe you will be disappointed.(not to say that you won't learn focus and discipline, you will)
If you feel that you will become an effective street fighter by taking Wu-shu, again I suspect disappointment.
If you think ninjutsu training will make you an elite assasin......I can't comment since I haven't trained in it.
Some arts are more combat effective than others. SOme are more spiritually enlightening.
Put it this way. If your 10 year old daughter were to take an art would you want it to be Muay Thai or Wu-shu?? Your answer dictates your position on the matter.
Personally I prefer combat effectivness and knowing that in tough circumstances I (or my little girl) can fight for myself.
Should I seek spritual enlightment I will join a church.

Really we're all trying to compare two different platforms of presentation.
Some of us want Ninjutsu to be rated as a ring/street fight effectivness. But as I understand it blowguns and poisons, etc are a ninja's main weapons and stealth is chosen over confrontation.So I'm not sure that we should blast poor Bam so quickly.
ButI am also not sure if his art should be considered comparable to muay thai or BJJ.
It's like comparing Tennis to ping pong.

Now if people would care to enlighten me on the art of ninjitsu.
I have read a little re koppo, and on becoming Haragei adept.
I also understand that the sword is actually different than a regular Katana?? Shorter and straighter??
AS well, how do they utilize all the powders and oils that I have heard about??

Focus on the freaky stuff like that and this thread should become more interesting.

Nice post,
May I elaborate a bit?

Modern Ninjutsu is none of the

"But as I understand it blowguns and poisons, etc are a ninja's main weapons and stealth is chosen over confrontation"

stuff but is a combination of many types of forms or styles. We train in punches, blocks, kicks, grapleing, suwari waza (A form of judo), nerve attacks, locks etc. We also train in many kinds of weapons. The purpose of training in the weapons is not to use them on the street (After all who carries a sword around) but to know how to defend against them. (A baseball bat is a common weapon these days).
We train strickly for self defense and of course the personal growth that comes with training in any discipline. I have seen several students come into the dojo with an attitude and they did not last long. We take very seriously the responsibility of teaching people these potentially deadly skills.
You are correct the sword used by the Ninjas was a straight blade about 22 inches long. It was carried on the back and drawn over the head. Being a straight blade it was used slightly differently. It was very good at running through your target and could still cut but not as effectivly as a curved blade.

The "Spiritual" training is really a personal thing That I am very "Into" however it has nothing to do with the Ninjutsu training itself and nothing to do with ranking. My Sensi is very into the spiritual aspects as am I. Many practioners of other forms of martial arts also practice the spiritual aspects as well. As you said these are two different areas but when used together (My opinion) are exponentially more usefull.

 

[kerbouchard94]

Bujinkan Ninpo as taught under Hatsumi subsumes three schools on ninjutsu and six samurai schools, all of which have sword, throws, fist, kicking techniques etc. These arts are all hundreds of years old and were refined in a culture where war was a way of life and any technique that did not work was not passed on because the person that used it was DEAD. It is not a sport it does not have competitions or point sparring. If you want to truly learn go to Japan and study under Hatsumi or his Shihan and not a benevolent fraud. All of these other arts are excellent and have proven themselves time and again and as was said previously it is a personal choice. Before anyone decides it is worthless do some real research and go to the source and experience it in its true form.

 

[Mr.HeavyDuty]

It is good to see that while I have been off training everyday that this thread continues. My point has been proven on here by people that practice the art already, "Ninjitsu is less a fighting art and almost more of a lifestyle. I don't know how effective it would be in the ring". My point from the beginning, if you enjoy it cool, but don't get on here talking about scaring people with your chi in a real life self-defense situation. That is not reality, walking on hot coals is not reality in self defense. That's all folks. Later, I am off to train.