ninjitsu

[Tom Treutlein]

Too bad we can't do that shit anymore, huh Digger?

 

[AlwaysOn]

Not exactly. If you know about feudalism (Lords, knights, peasants) the samurai were the equivalent of European knights. Because of the cost to arm and armor them, they were quite literally the equivalent of today's army tanks. A samurai could lose his master and become a 'ronin' but it would be almost impossible for him to fall so far down the social ladder that he would become a ninja.

That's because ninjas were an entirely different social caste, almost like the Indian "untouchables." Many of them were literally outhouse cleaners. Because they had no social standing, they could go places no one else would go and do things that were literally unthinkable to the rest of society. (Example: Hide in an outhouse, right down in the raw waste, and stab your victim from beneath while he's doing his business.)

A ninja who finds himself fighting anyone has flunked ninja school. Ninjutsu is about sneaking into a secure location and assassinating an unprepared victim. Escape and evasion may be involved, but are secondary to completing the mission.

I hope you aren't getting this info from the people trying to sell you this martial art.

I have studied Japanese culture in college, and on my own. I never heard of this...I honestly have serious doubts whether this martial art is authentic.

 

[digger]

Unrelated reading going back twenty years and more. Thanks for your concern, but my wallet is safe.

Getting authentic ninja material would be like getting authentic witchcraft material, or authentic atom bomb plans; those who knew wouldn't tell, those who'd tell didn't know.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Not exactly. If you know about feudalism (Lords, knights, peasants) the samurai were the equivalent of European knights. Because of the cost to arm and armor them, they were quite literally the equivalent of today's army tanks. A samurai could lose his master and become a 'ronin' but it would be almost impossible for him to fall so far down the social ladder that he would become a ninja.

That's because ninjas were an entirely different social caste, almost like the Indian "untouchables." Many of them were literally outhouse cleaners. Because they had no social standing, they could go places no one else would go and do things that were literally unthinkable to the rest of society. (Example: Hide in an outhouse, right down in the raw waste, and stab your victim from beneath while he's doing his business.)

A ninja who finds himself fighting anyone has flunked ninja school. Ninjutsu is about sneaking into a secure location and assassinating an unprepared victim. Escape and evasion may be involved, but are secondary to completing the mission.

Pretty much on the money. Ninjitsu is also not a single art but a name given to a few diferent arts that come together to create a "Ninja".

 

[digger]

Too bad we can't do that shit anymore, huh Digger?

Good reason to invent flush plumbing.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Hahahaha

 

[Bam]

I have studied Ninjutsu under Richard Van Donk who is the personal student of The Grand Master Maasaki Hatsumi. I also have met with and trained with Dr. Hatsumi at a Tai-Kai in Arizona. Both men are incredible martial artists and good people. There are MANY MANY incorrect observations about this art and much mis-information floating around. This art like any other when correctly studied and applied is about self control. The stories about Ninjas are mostly false. The Ninja were (contrary to popular belief) poor people of early Japan who were forced to train in secret with farm implements for weapons because the Daimyo forbade them to own Swords. They were farmers who were overtaxed and were rebelling by creating a new artform which over the centuries became the nine schools of Ninjutsu that exist today. The Grand Master Dr. Maasaki Hatsumi is the personal student of Takamatsu Sensi who was the last bloodline Ninja. Takamatsu awarded Hatsumi with all nine schools of Ninjutsu.

There are so many false statements including ths posts here that it's no wonder that most people know nothing about this powerfull and very serious art.

 

[digger]

Takamatsu awarded Hatsumi with all nine schools of Ninjutsu.

"Getting authentic ninja material would be like getting authentic witchcraft material, or authentic atom bomb plans; those who knew wouldn't tell, those who'd tell didn't know"

Dr. Hatsumi reminds me of one Gerald Gardner, who uncovered the real deal on what is now called Wicca.

Gardner claimed he got it from his grandmother. There's little doubt that he actually made it all up, but he did a really good job of it.

No disrepect to O-Sensei Hatsumi.

 

[Bam]

"Getting authentic ninja material would be like getting authentic witchcraft material, or authentic atom bomb plans; those who knew wouldn't tell, those who'd tell didn't know"

Dr. Hatsumi reminds me of one Gerald Gardner, who uncovered the real deal on what is now called Wicca.

Gardner claimed he got it from his grandmother. There's little doubt that he actually made it all up, but he did a really good job of it.

No disrepect to O-Sensei Hatsumi.

Well we are all entitled to our opinions, But that is just what this is. You have not met the man or trained with him while I have. There are some things that can only be learned in person. I respect your opinion and I also know from expirence what is true.

 

[Debaser]

I guarantee all these "secretive" arts would be flushed down the toilet in a hurry after getting your femur splintered by a single Thai leg kick.