Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[2new4juice]

i actually wrote that out wrong, i take 1cc test every nine days. i'm trying to take very low doses so that i don't blow up too quickly as my boss at work will notice, then a drug test will not be too far behind. i would like to take arimidex or liquidex or just some form of anti-e but since i'm new to the AAS world everything is quite hard to find.

 

[muscleup]

Great read RG...

 

[Texas Ranger]

Do you think a newbie in the 220-240lb range can gain a realistic amount of LBM(10-15lbs) on a First Cycle using one of these cycles? 1.)Test Enanthate@250mgs a week for 10weeks and Dbol@25mgs a day for the first 5 weeks 2.)Test Enanthate@250mgs and Deca@200mgs both for 10 weeks.

 

[Realgains]

Do you think a newbie in the 220-240lb range can gain a realistic amount of LBM(10-15lbs) on a First Cycle using one of these cycles? 1.)Test Enanthate@250mgs a week for 10weeks and Dbol@25mgs a day for the first 5 weeks 2.)Test Enanthate@250mgs and Deca@200mgs both for 10 weeks.

Yes... as this is way more androgen and anabolic support than your natural test levels.

You will gain well "IF" you train correctly with intensity, lowish volume utilizing mainly basic compound movements, and plenty of rest, sleep, and days out of the gym. Nutrition is very important as well.

Then you will be a health minded lifter using low doses of steroids as a minor pillar of your training and not as the foundation itself.... like the unwise.

If someone new to steroids cannot gain well on 25 of d-bol/day alone then that person is a terrible bodybuilder without a clue.

You can do plenty with those doses bro and keep sides to a minimum.

Good luck to you!

RG

 

[hatari]

RG,

Very good post.

As an old timer, I can tell you 15-20mg of dbol alone can put the beef on you. two six week cycleslike that would have have newbie looking like the king of the beach! 20-25 years ago, 15mg/day for 6weeks is what we used for college football. It wasn't until the mid 80's that college football players started injecting wholesale. Maybe I should do a "Gear for Graybeards" thread. I'm of a like mind that minimum dosages are certainly better. A newbie who has worked to his natural limit, usually within two years of good training (this is for an adult, not a 15 ear old who has worked out for two years) can put on 10 lbs a cycle and keep it. That's 45lbs on your beanch too!

 

[hatari]

Another reason to keep the doses low. Lower doses+less side effects.


orville burke:bad news (post #1)
this is a copy and paste from another board:

There is sad news to report from NYC, tonight, regarding the health of IFBB pro Orville Burke.

As was previously reported here, Orville injured his elbow, during a photo shoot, following the Olympia.

He was scheduled to have surgery to repair the injury, this week. It would be necessary for Orville to receive a general anesthetic for the surgical procedure.

As is the case for so many BBers with extreme muscularity, Orville has suffered from high blood pressure and an enlarged heart, for some time, and has been under the care of a cardiologist. He also has asthma, which limited his ability to do cardio. He did not tell the orthopedic surgeons who were to do the elbow surgery. But, during the pre-surgery workup, all this was discovered. Orville was declared a non-candidate for a general anesthetic, and the operation was cancelled.

Orville went to his cardiologist, who, for reasons unknown to me, gave Orville a written release to undergo the general anesthetic and elbow surgery. So, Orville was cleared, and the surgery took place.

During the surgery, Orville's heart failed, and, following attempts to restart his heart, he lapsed into coma.

Tonight, Orville remains alive, but unconscious. It is unknown whether he may be restored to consciousness, or the possible extent of brain damage. Surely, his career, as a pro BBer, must be at an end.

Those of us who know or met Orville Burke, know he is a kind and gentle soul, and a wonderful ambassador for the sport.

 

[Wulfgang]

Hello all,

Just wanted to thank you for a very solid and informative post - it's posts like these that keep me coming back.

As a newbie here I'll do my best to avoid the 'what's the best newbie stack' type questions since they have been answered here many times already.

I would like hear from others though who have had acne problems from cycling T200. I cycled for (10) weeks and noticed occasional acne and so, sought out Accutane but Derm prescribed Levaquin instead. It seemed to work reasonably well but only had (2) week script. Since then, and off-cycle it's horrendous!

It's been almost (8) weeks since cycle and it's like no acne I've ever had - chest (all over) shoulders and upper back. I have another scrip for Levaquin - sure as hell hope it cures it.

Any one else have the problem this severely?

Any info will be most appreciated,

-Wulfgang

 

[2Thick]

Finally, the moderates are gaining ground....it only took a few years...LOL

 

[Realgains]

Hello all,

Just wanted to thank you for a very solid and informative post - it's posts like these that keep me coming back.

As a newbie here I'll do my best to avoid the 'what's the best newbie stack' type questions since they have been answered here many times already.

I would like hear from others though who have had acne problems from cycling T200. I cycled for (10) weeks and noticed occasional acne and so, sought out Accutane but Derm prescribed Levaquin instead. It seemed to work reasonably well but only had (2) week script. Since then, and off-cycle it's horrendous!

It's been almost (8) weeks since cycle and it's like no acne I've ever had - chest (all over) shoulders and upper back. I have another scrip for Levaquin - sure as hell hope it cures it.

Any one else have the problem this severely?

Any info will be most appreciated,

-Wulfgang

TEST IS BAD FOR ACNE and probably the worst although some say tren is just as bad.
As far as acne is concerned the milder androgens like eq, nandrolone and primo,& winstrol fair better here.

A moderate deca/winstrol cycle is a great one for lean body mass gains and strength! Little to no bloat,& very minimal acne normally. This is a proven stack that is very synergistic.
400 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 50 of winny per day for 4-6 weeks will do WONDERS and is TONS of gear for all but the largest top competitors.

NOTE: limit all 17aa roids, including injectable winstrol to 4-6 weeks just to be safe with the old liver

And as I have said a MILLION times before moderate dose deca will not cause gyno in 99.9% of men and the winstrol counters much of the progestin affect of deca anyway.

You could even do deca only at 400/week with very nice results. It has been done tons of times bro's with no deca dick, no acne, no bloat or gyno....just solid steady lean mass gains. In fact Fonz and Decaman have done much higher doses with no problems at all in the sides department. If you are afraid of loss of libido then just have a little proviron or test on hand. 50 of proviron per day of 100 of test per wek will cure the libido issue if it indeed does need fixing which I doubt with moderate doses of deca.

I recommend hcg at 500iu's per day during the last two weeks of most cycles over 8 weeks and with deca at any cycle length as it is quite suppressive of HPTA. Be sure to run clomid at 300mg on day one in divided doses 3 weeks after the last shot and then 50mg per day for AT LEAST 4 weeks.


RG

 

[Realgains]

Here is a quote from Dr. Scuggs. He treats steroid users and knows his stuff. He is Ulters doc.

" The typical dose would be 100-200 mg of testosterone and the same dose of nandrolone deconate injected once every 4 days. It is more than adequate for athletes and all but the MOST SERIOUS HARDCORE BODYBUILDERS" (in other words the highly competitive) Also note the words "more than adequate"
The above dose is 400-800mg of gear every 8 days.


Check out the artcile " Steroids benefits and pitfalls "

www.newhopemed.com

RG