Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[MR. BMJ]

Nice post Realgains. However, I can't believe that you actually believe those doses that have been touted for years. They are bullshit. The pros back then used a lot more than people think, and a lot more than what they will ever admit to. My old Health Science teacher used to train with Arnold, and he had many pictures taken with him, and one he gave to me of the two of them. The bad part is, he passed away a few years back. From what I remember, D-bol, deca, Enanthate, and Primo were SLAMMED like candy. I'll try and post the picture of the two of them if I can find it.

I do agree that a lot of guys take too much gear as a dependant factor. Instead of busting their asses, they are lazy and try to have the drugs make up for it. I agree that a lot of us, including myself, could probably tame it down a notch or two, because lets face it, just about all of us on here will NEVER be a pro. I agree with the longer cycles now with a moderate dose, instead of a quick 30 pound gain like mentioned. Also, I do not really care for being bloated all the time. Now, if you are over 250 pounds, or at a national competitor, I think you may need to take those doses.

I can't believe you didn't mention a prop/fina or fina/winny cycle man.......That is the best combo I have ever experienced...bar none.

Karma for you!

BMJ

 

[Realgains]

Test/tren is indeed good but very androgenic and not withot plenty of androgenic sides.

But the Newbie certainly can try 200 of test/week with 25-50 of tren per day.

RG

 

[go_hard_80]

190lbs her, 6ft, 11%bf 3yrs training, guessing 30lbs under my natural genetic potential

would a cycle like this

wks 1-8 250mgs of eq
wks 5-11 fina 37.5mg ed
wks 1-4 300mg prop wk


looking for 10lbs. sound like a solid cycle?

 

[2new4juice]

i'm cycling

my first cycle is this:

1cc test every 2 weeks in week 3 adding 5mg dbol ed.
my cycle will last about 15 weeks.

 

[da big thinker]

great post RG...excellent info and i agree...as i get older and further dial in on my training and diet,i've realised that selective and structured low dosing is the way to go...i'm growing quite nicely actually...these days all you hear about is,high amounts of test and dbol,tren for 26 weeks...lol...,and get the same complaints over and over again...my cycle ain't working kind of thing...my arms aren't growing on 1000mg of test...wtf?...lol...if the training and diet are not there,then no juice will help...in addition,set some goals...they help w/ direction and focus...you won't grow PROPERLY just because you're "on"...lol

 

[Realgains]

190lbs her, 6ft, 11%bf 3yrs training, guessing 30lbs under my natural genetic potential

would a cycle like this

wks 1-8 250mgs of eq
wks 5-11 fina 37.5mg ed
wks 1-4 300mg prop wk


looking for 10lbs. sound like a solid cycle?

Yes thats a pretty good cycle but you could drop the eq and save it for another cycle and make very similar gains. Run the prop all the way through.
But all in all your cycle is well thought out and a good one.

RG

 

[jamotech]

I love to see posts like this realgains, your suggestions for newbies are dead on. My first cycle was deca 200mg for 8 weeks, second was a dbol pyramid 10mg,15mg,20mg,15mg,10mg. My body reacted great to both and at that point was very pleased with the results. My third cycle was sust 400 mg 8 weeks, 200mg deca 8 weeks, 20 mg dbol, I went from 180 to 210. Theese dosages are lower that what a lot of people reccommend for FIRST cycles. I just wanted to post this to let everyone know that is wondering low doses do work, I think realgain has done a good thing posting this and all newbies shouldnt take his post as pussy advice but some of the best advice they can get as a newbie.

 

[Realgains]

Re: i'm cycling

my first cycle is this:

1cc test every 2 weeks in week 3 adding 5mg dbol ed.
my cycle will last about 15 weeks.

You should inject the test at least once a week or your blood hormone levels will drop too much even if you are using sust.
Do the d-bol in divided doses.

Try this ...test cyp or enanthate at 200 per week for 10 weeks. 10 weeks is plenty.
Add d-bol fot the first 4-6 weeks at 10mg per day in 4 divided doses. You could use just 5 of d-bol in two doses per day total...2.5 in the am and 2.5 before bed. Just split the 5mg tabs in half...they don't have to be exact.


Do HCG and clomid as I outlined in my second post on this thread.
The HCG is not mandatory but will help recovery of natural test and I think you will keep more if you use it.

RG

 

[Taomaster]

Arnold's nowhere near his size 25 years ago but he still looks pretty damned good for 50+

yehh, not to mention three or four heart bypass surgeries....certainly steroids had nothing to do with that.

 

[macDbol]

real gains for mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ppl on this board recommend WAY too much gear for a newbie user,,,,fuck ive had friends (me included)who gained 10-15 pounds on 300mg deca or 400mg eq alone on a first cycle


also as a side note u dont see Test being mentioned in any of those old school stacks, other than dbol there are no other androgenics listed (anadrol,various tests, etc)