ulter said:
I have stayed out of this because it brings back memories of posts made by 2Thick a couple years ago. Are you sure you two aren't the same guy?
If you want to grow slowly over several years like the old time body builders then use low doses. If you want to grow quickly during an 8 weeks cycle then use the appropriate doses. Which for the most part are in the 1000mg/wk range.
Welcome to this thread Ulter. Your opinion and experience is always well respected.
In a way you are correct Ulter. Yes bigger gains will likely come off a dose in the 1 gram per week ball park BUT along with that come some pretty nasty sides, especially if you are using test for example. Acne would be the worst visible side for many.
The newbie doesn't need a gram a week to grow nicely though so why use it. Why rely so heavily on steroids...shouldn't one rely more on trianing and lifestyle?
I for one doubt the commonly held belief amoungst many vets today that highish doses are just as safe health wise as low doses. In fact I think nothing could be further from the truth..as far as HPTA shut down is concerned YES that is true but thats about it.
Most of these men (or many even boys) are not even close to their natural genetic max so they will grow well just learning how to train without using sterods and if one add a little androgen then they can gain quite quickly and avoid many sides associated with the gram a week. What the H is a 20 year old that is 20 pounds under his natural max doing with a gram of gear per week!
Have trained young men in their early 20's that have gained very quickly using only 300 of test per week simply because I taught them how to train, eat and rest and insisted that they don't even look at the routines listed in the glossy mags. One fellow KEPT 15 pounds off a 10 week cycle of EQ alone at 400 per week.
Also I am ceartain that gains made more slowly over years are much easier for the body to hang on to. The body simply cannot hang onto 30 pounds after 10 weeks, even if the gain was pure muscle, and you know it never is , especially with aromatizable gear.
I am not against test for a newbie at all but high dose test yes... the sides and bloat can be quite bad and how many of these newbies are going to take arimidex while on test...not to mention acutane. A newbie that takes a gram of test per week or test and d-bol for example is going to gain 30 pounds but after a few weeks off he will be lucky to hold onto half that and many will loose much more than that.
If one wants to venture into higher doses of androgen then they should do the king of steroids and that is tren, then at least the gain will be a slow progression in pure muscle and they will keep much of that. So newbie if you want to push the envolope then take 50-75 of tren per day along with 500 of test per week(expect lots of sides and especially acne with tren and test).....or if you want pure muscle only then stack that tren with a class two roid that doesn't aromatize like winstrol at 50 per day or anavar at at least that much.
Something to consider newbie.......you cannot use tren without getting bad bad acne unless you are one of the very few. Also if you are prone to male pattern balness then say goodbye to your hair with tren and winstrol or tren and test......and finasteride will only work to inhibit the DHT from test as both tren and winstrol do not convert to DHT.
There is always a price to pay with higher doses, and not just in dollars, so be aware of them fella's.
So in closing......if you are above your natural max then go ahead and try higher doses.....if you compete at a high level then you will need more.......but truthfully now, how many of you are even at your genetic natural max(5'9" and a lean, not ripped, 190 add 5 pounds for every inch above 5'9)
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