Newbie Cycles Galore

[Twitched]

Again...great post. I am running the HCG just the way you wrote it. You could also consider running the arimidex until the clomid therapy is finished. Seems logical that this would further assist in HPTA recovery as there would be less estrogen to compete with the clomid.

I would run arimidex halfway through clomid but that is it. It is important that you let your natural test aromatize into estrogen in the recovery stage because estrogen is an important hormone for restoring good cholesterol levels, and it DOES play a role in the muscle building process. There is no need to supress estrogen during clomid therapy since the androgens (which produced the above average estrogen levels) are gone. Estrogen binds just as well as clomid ( a synthetic estrogen itself ) to the hypothalimus, therefore it isn't 'competing' with the clomid. When you don't run clomid, the androgens in your blood dip, and your natural test production is down, therefore it is the LACK of estrogen in your body that is hindering your recovery! Clomid is the "estrogen" of choice for recovery because it does not activate the nasty receptors such as the ones in your tits. Estrogen isn't BAD at normal levels! It's important!

screw TT

get some Fort Dodge

at

50 ml

50 mg per ml

I agree, however I feel TT is more appropriate because 50mg/ml is FAR too much injection volume for a first time user. It would be very awkward.

and again...great avatar.

Where did you get that before pic.

I snagged some pics off of muscletech's site and messed with em.. I just love how muscletech claims to be responsible for Lee's off season -> competition transformation.

If money was not an issue (its really not for me), which of these three cycles would I choose?

I would recommend the Anavar/EQ cycle for starters, with BTG anavar.

I hope money isn't an issue because BTG @ 40mgED for 8 weeks can be over $1200.



thanks for the replies,

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[Twitched]

One more thing, technically this is wrong. Deca does NOT convert to progesterone.

Great post bro.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, maybe I should rephrase.. Deca might not "convert" to progesterone, I was oversimplfying. What I meant is by hook or crook Deca can activate the progesterone receptors in your titties. Although many people don't report this causing problems for them.


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[strong island]

I'm not sure what you mean by this, maybe I should rephrase.. Deca might not "convert" to progesterone, I was oversimplfying. What I meant is by hook or crook Deca can activate the progesterone receptors in your titties. Although many people don't report this causing problems for them.


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I meant that deca does not convert to progesterone. I am sure you know that...but others take everything that is written as FACT. Next thing you know everyone is saying that deca converts to progesterone...which is not true. Thats all bro. Great post.

peace

 

[strong island]

There is no need to supress estrogen during clomid therapy since the androgens (which produced the above average estrogen levels) are gone. Estrogen binds just as well as clomid ( a synthetic estrogen itself ) to the hypothalimus, therefore it isn't 'competing' with the clomid. When you don't run clomid, the androgens in your blood dip, and your natural test production is down, therefore it is the LACK of estrogen in your body that is hindering your recovery! Clomid is the "estrogen" of choice for recovery because it does not activate the nasty receptors such as the ones in your tits. Estrogen isn't BAD at normal levels! It's important!

When you begin clomid therapy the androgens are not gone...but they are lower relative to their peak levels. The clomid is competing with the estrogen, since we are trying to block the estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors on the hypothalamus. Even if there were no androgens...the presence of high estrogen levels would be enough to suppress the HPT axis. So it is important for both androgen and estrogen levels to be low for the hyothalamus to be "motivated" into sending GnRH. Estrogen is important AT NORMAL LEVELS...but right after your cycle estrogen is high and can be a problem. Maybe tapering off the arimidex is ideal??

my .02

 

[Twitched]

The main idea is that high estrogen levels never exist in your body because of the anastrozole usage through the cycle. The only way for "high estrogen levels" to exist would be to terminate the anastrozole early enough that there is still enough overdose of androgen in your blood to aromatize. If you stop arimidex halfway through clomid, chances are all of your androgens will have dipped very low (and hence won't be able to cause a estrogen spike). The key point is that arimidex controls the aromatise enzyme, so even if you discontinue halfway through clomid, it's gonna take a little time to get that enzyme up to par.. You at some point need to let your endocrine functions completely settle themselves.. and that means not meddling with your estrogen production.. giving your estrogen levels time to find a healty balance is just as important as getting your test concentration where it needs to be..

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[ryce]

Thanks ryce.

As for the womens cycles.. I really don't feel comfortable making recommendations on that topic.. with men.. although it is dangerous..I could recommend just about anything and they would recover eventually.. AS can be VERY harmful to women..For example.. say if I were to give a cycle.. then if the woman who read it wasn't experienced enough to have a really good source could end up taking anadrol when she meant to take anavar (*cough* IP), or shooting test suspension from her "zambon" amps. Counterfiets are much more of an issue with women, therefore I think it is better to actually keep the info away from them for as long as possible .

As for MPB, I've not done much research

I'll look into it myself if we don't see any input..


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Twitched,
something I've noticed in Brazil is that the % of women looking for steroids is increasing several time folder due to a lot of reasons, that may fit another topic, but my point is that women usually won't think twice or try to make an informed decision before juicing. I always try to convince to the contrary but when I can not I ask them to try a prohormone (19 nordiol) first as I feel the limited number of enzymes for conversion makes up for some safety and might deliver 2 to 4 kilos usually what they look for. If I still can not dissuade chicks from juicing I try to stick with the 10mg day Anavar for 6 weeks. Cycles for women and MPB concerned pals have been debated here by lots of experts but I asked you to do a "Twitched" version because you seem to have a unique way of summarizing those things.

What's ya take?
Ryce

 

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[Twitched]

ryce,

If I had to suggest, I would recommend clen to females.. they seem to react well to it, and it works like hell on them.. It probobly has near the anabolic effect they would see @ 10mg/ED of Anavar (at least for the first few weeks).

If they absolutely are desperate to up the risks, a cycle of 5mg/ED anavar (good anavar) should be more then enough. If they are brave they can increase to 10mg/ED but never exceed 10mg/ED.

Thats my limited view on the topic...Only top women competitors (with a experienced female steroid user as an advisor) should ever use any other substance.


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