New to this site POSSIBLE FIRST CYCLE

[the small soldier]

I am a soldier currently stationed in Africa. I have been training for 6 years very hard. I am currently 21 years old, I began when i was 16. I went from being 66 inches tall at 122 pounds 6% bodyfat to 66 inches 180 pounds 12-14% bodyfat. My current benchpress max is 275 pounds. My current squat is 405 pounds for 4 solid reps. my deadlift is 375 pounds for 7 solid reps. I want to increase my muscle size and strength. I want to add quality mass and Keeping it is also a must. I have access to all the (110% legit) Danabol DS and Deca Durabolin 50 mg ampules I could ever ask for. I Also have one mg of Pregnyl and access to clomid...Novladex is a bit hard to find here, but Clomid is fairly easy to come by. Is it possible for me to put together a good first time cyle using only Dbol, Deca, Clomid, Pregnyl, and milk thistle. Please, any and all comments, concerns, gripes or complaints are welcome. I've been researching sterioids for many years and i feel that I am ready to use them, I have researched side effects and treatments, doses and cyles, but I need some first hand experience from people who have used Dbol, deca, clomid, and Pregnyl. thanks!

 

[GUARDIAN]

do test only for first cycle. do u have access to that? can u get AI's such as arimidex, aromasin, letro, etc.?

 

[the small soldier]

do test only for first cycle. do u have access to that? can u get aromatase inhibitor's such as arimidex, aromasin, Femera - letrozole - , etc.?

I can get Test Cyp. As far as the aromatase inhibitors I'm not sure but I will be looking around for them today. If I can't find the inhibitors will test still be out of the question?

 

[GUARDIAN]

test should be the base of all your cycles so imo if u cant the necessary AI's then a cycle is not a good idea.

 

[the small soldier]

i understand... I'll let you know if i can find one. Do you think that a Deca and Dbol cycle would be worthless? I have the Dbol and Deca already...the prices i paid for them I couldn't say no. Im going to wait for more responses, but do you think I could just do a Dbol and Deca or would you recommend I sell off the Dbol and opt for the test and aromatase inhibitors instead?

 

[GUARDIAN]

deca is not a good idea for a first cycle and anyways u should run test with deca. keep the dbol for cycle #2.

 

[the small soldier]

ok so lets say i find the inhibitors and i get 10 250 mg amps of test cyp. Would I be a able to to run a straight 10 week cycle of 250mg test per/w with an inhibitor. Reserving clomid and HCG if needed for post cycle?

 

[GUARDIAN]

yes. keep the AI's on hand and use if and when symptoms arise.

 

[enacer420nj]

I am a soldier currently stationed in Africa. I have been training for 6 years very hard. I am currently 21 years old, I began when i was 16. I went from being 66 inches tall at 122 pounds 6% bodyfat to 66 inches 180 pounds 12-14% bodyfat. My current benchpress max is 275 pounds. My current squat is 405 pounds for 4 solid reps. my deadlift is 375 pounds for 7 solid reps. I want to increase my muscle size and strength. I want to add quality mass and Keeping it is also a must. I have access to all the (110% legit) Danabol DS and Deca Durabolin 50 mg ampules I could ever ask for. I Also have one mg of Pregnyl and access to clomid...Novladex is a bit hard to find here, but Clomid is fairly easy to come by. Is it possible for me to put together a good first time cyle using only Dbol, Deca, Clomid, Pregnyl, and milk thistle. Please, any and all comments, concerns, gripes or complaints are welcome. I've been researching sterioids for many years and i feel that I am ready to use them, I have researched side effects and treatments, doses and cyles, but I need some first hand experience from people who have used Dbol, deca, clomid, and Pregnyl. thanks!

Wait a couple years bro, diet and training is what you need now...not juice

 

[Nelson Montana]

You really should wait. As soon as you do gear, natural training is never as productive.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of the "test only" first cycle. I think something less suppressive is better. Primo.

 

[swole]

If i could do it all over again, my first cycle would be a small amount of test with primo.

Which is exactly what I'm doing now.

300mg Test E
500mg Primo

If this is your first cycle you do NOT need more than 300mg of test per week. I think you will respond nicely to this combination...of course this depends if you have access to primo. You'll see lean, gradual gains. And chances are you won't need an AI on hand for this cycle.

 

[the small soldier]

If i could do it all over again, my first cycle would be a small amount of test with Primobolan - methenolone - .

Which is exactly what I'm doing now.

300mg testosterone enanthate
500mg Primo

If this is your first cycle you do NOT need more than 300mg of test per week. I think you will respond nicely to this combination...of course this depends if you have access to Primobolan - methenolone - . You'll see lean, gradual gains. And chances are you won't need an aromatase inhibitor on hand for this cycle.

All i have access to as far as I have found is the Danabol DS, the Deca, and the Test Cyp. I'm still making some natural gains ( Just today I pulled 405 for 6 reps on the deadlift.) I have been looking into steriods for so long, and having them so readily available I feel now might be an excellent time to give a cycle a try. Two of you said I should just wait and that natural gains won't be the same after a cycle...what did you mean by this?

 

[GUARDIAN]

natural gains are very hard 2 come by once u start juicing.

All i have access to as far as I have found is the Danabol DS, the Deca, and the Test Cyp. I'm still making some natural gains ( Just today I pulled 405 for 6 reps on the deadlift.) I have been looking into steriods for so long, and having them so readily available I feel now might be an excellent time to give a cycle a try. Two of you said I should just wait and that natural gains won't be the same after a cycle...what did you mean by this?

 

[the small soldier]

So bottom line is once I start, If I want to continue to make gains, I need to juice "forever."

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

No, just that it is double/tripple the effort and YOU MUST focuss on DIET and Training MORE than ever. Some people get hooked on the effects of AAS and the slow progress made with natty training is then seen as almost worthless.

You should max out your natty potential and then use the juice as an AID to get you past those levels.

-Legacy

 

[crazyjoe]

I am a soldier currently stationed in Africa. I have been training for 6 years very hard. I am currently 21 years old, I began when i was 16. I went from being 66 inches tall at 122 pounds 6% bodyfat to 66 inches 180 pounds 12-14% bodyfat. My current benchpress max is 275 pounds. My current squat is 405 pounds for 4 solid reps. my deadlift is 375 pounds for 7 solid reps. I want to increase my muscle size and strength. I want to add quality mass and Keeping it is also a must. I have access to all the (110% legit) Danabol DS and Deca Durabolin 50 mg ampules I could ever ask for. I Also have one mg of Pregnyl and access to clomid...Novladex is a bit hard to find here, but Clomid is fairly easy to come by. Is it possible for me to put together a good first time cyle using only Dbol, Deca, Clomid, Pregnyl, and milk thistle. Please, any and all comments, concerns, gripes or complaints are welcome. I've been researching sterioids for many years and i feel that I am ready to use them, I have researched side effects and treatments, doses and cyles, but I need some first hand experience from people who have used Dbol, deca, clomid, and Pregnyl. thanks!

HEY thats where AAP is from.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

How long will you be stationed in Africa? I ask, because at your age I'd normally suggest you wait a few more years. But if legal pharm grade gear is available to you now, and only now......

 

[the small soldier]

No, just that it is double/tripple the effort and YOU MUST focuss on DIET and Training MORE than ever. Some people get hooked on the effects of anabolic androgenic steroids and the slow progress made with natty training is then seen as almost worthless.

You should max out your natty potential and then use the juice as an AID to get you past those levels.

-Legacy

Is there a point where I am going to be at a complete max, where I won't get any stronger at all, or I won't gain anymore weight? It seems reasonable to me that one could go one building muscle and getting stronger indefintely, albeit the progress very slow.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Is there a point where I am going to be at a complete max, where I won't get any stronger at all, or I won't gain anymore weight? It seems reasonable to me that one could go one building muscle and getting stronger indefintely, albeit the progress very slow.

I'm 45 and reached my all time best deadlift (694.2) last November. I was also in good shape at the time.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8503uwx&s=1 @ 317 lbs.


You have at least 20 good years left in you, if you stay healthy.

 

[the small soldier]

As far as being able to get the gear in the future...I have no Idea I wouldn't know where to look truthfully. It's everywhere out here in this one market town, and I have cross referenced the sources they are all legit. I'm thinking about buying now and stocking for a first cycle? I'll be in Over here for a Year

 

[bverysmart]

I agree
you should hold off a few years before using gear. Bro I am in military as well and am not much bigger than you 69" tall but right now I am at about 200lbs and 12-13% BF. Once you start using you can't go back. You want to build as much natty muscle as you can before using. This stuff is not the majic pill type of shit.

Second, even if you use Test C for your first cycle make sure you have AI on hand, IMO that is a must. It is easy to find, just look around even in africa you can get it shipped to you.

Lastly, you need to be VERY careful about this shit. It seems the more we deploy the more of us start using gear. So many of us are lifting in our down time that we think why not use juice and gain some more muscle. The military is not dumb bro they are watching.

Again, you should hold off and stay natual for a few more years, I promise that you will have better results doing that and then trying AAS later.

But again i know that you are not going to listen to use if you already have some gear you have made up your mind.

Be safe bro

bverysmart

 

[biggernu]

Ok man, i gifted you a 7day platinum membership so you can use more features of the site. There is a wealth of knowledge here, enjoy.

 

[biggernu]

You really should wait. As soon as you do gear, natural training is never as productive.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of the "test only" first cycle. I think something less suppressive is better. Primo.

I have been pondering this lately too. Is it just a mental block as it's slower to get gains, or is there something else at work here too?

 

[the small soldier]

I have been pondering this lately too. Is it just a mental block as it's slower to get gains, or is there something else at work here too?

Thank you for the membership I'm going to use it to do a lot more research. My made isn't made up I'm not trying to rush anything. Lifting is a huge part of my life and I want to maximize my gains and be able to maintain them for the rest of my life. Many are telling me to wait, and I may do that, but I still plan on getting the gear here while it is available even I'm not going to use right away.

 

[james629]

A lot of guys dont peak until mid thirties in strength gains naturally. You might do a cycle and recover normally and then you will want to keep going. Just dont fuck yourself up. Do more reading and research. There are alot of threads on here about guys whos system wont recover, do you want to be in that boat at an early age? TIME GOES FAST USE IT WISELY.

 

[the small soldier]

I'm still considering the gear very seriously, but I would also like some advice on how to maximize natural gains. I mean I take a multi vit every workout day. I take glutamine 2-3x per day at 5g doses. I take creatine before and after a workout at 5 grams per dose.

Here is my average meals for the day

530- 12 scrambled eggs, 2 4 inch diameter pancakes, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup chopped fruit, 1/4 cup yogurt, OJ

800- 6 whole boiled eggs, handful of almonds, banana

1000- 600-800 cal shake and apple or banana and more almonds

1230- regular size dinner plate half rice, or pasta, half of whatever meat is available, I eat until I am stuffed, also have a smaller plate of salad.

1500- 600-800 cal shake and piece of fruit

WORKOUT ( almost always 4 days a week, sometimes 3 (if i feel over-trained), sometimes 5 (when I feel like i have extra energy)

1630- 600-800 cal shake and fruit if I have it

1730- Dinner-same concept as lunch

2000- (usually bed time) 6 whole egss and a handful of almonds or a shake.



That is what i do everyday, If anyone could offer some way to improve my diet or training so I see better results? If not maybe i'll continue on this path for another few years and then take gear? Or maybe I'll take some gear soon and then go back natural and try to maintain the new gains...I am still debating.

 

[searay]

ur diet looks good and your training seems sound for the info youve provided. i know its hard to wait especially when you have the gear on hand. your first cycle will be your best and YES you will have to continue to use gear to make gains above the gains you made on your first cycle. IMO starting out with anavar and primo is the way to go as they are mild and then graduating to the more aggressive gear will give you continued impressive gains. at your age you still have at least 2-3 yeras to max out your natural gains. you should never start cycling when your still making natural gains. when youve platoued for a period of at least a year then you can consider starting your journey with gear. and when you platou it should be after exhousting every natural avenue posible. have you tried N02 supps like Omega's AMP02 ? also, take creatine every day at least 5mg and 10mg on training days. keep doing your research on supps, training programs to keep you from hitting patough's from using the same old program continuously, and especially FOOD. also, keep doing your research on gear for when you finally do take the plunge you know exactly what your doing and dont even have to ask for "first cycle advice". good luck bro, and this is just my 2cc's..................

 

[the small soldier]

ur diet looks good and your training seems sound for the info youve provided. i know its hard to wait especially when you have the gear on hand. your first cycle will be your best and YES you will have to continue to use gear to make gains above the gains you made on your first cycle. IMO starting out with anavar and Primobolan - methenolone - is the way to go as they are mild and then graduating to the more aggressive gear will give you continued impressive gains. at your age you still have at least 2-3 yeras to max out your natural gains. you should never start cycling when your still making natural gains. when youve platoued for a period of at least a year then you can consider starting your journey with gear. and when you platou it should be after exhousting every natural avenue posible. have you tried N02 supps like Omega's AMP02 ? also, take creatine every day at least 5mg and 10mg on training days. keep doing your research on supps, training programs to keep you from hitting patough's from using the same old program continuously, and especially FOOD. also, keep doing your research on gear for when you finally do take the plunge you know exactly what your doing and dont even have to ask for "first cycle advice". good luck bro, and this is just my 2cc's..................

Appreciate the advice. I'm going to keep it natural for now. I ordered some N0explode so I'll be taking that soon and I'm going to see if that gets me anywhere. I'll continue the Year as planned. I change up my Lifting routine everyday 6 weeks. I cycle my Food also. I eat what i posted for 5 weeks (its like a maintenance diet. For 1 week I allow myself whatever the hell i went, then for 2 weeks I go on a low carb diet to keep excess flab at bay, then back to my 5 week maintenance diet. this is what i've been doing sstrictly for the past 18 months, before that i was more sporadic with my diet, but I was still training very hard and seeing results.

 

[james629]

Your diet look good for gains. Keep up the intesity, and sleep as best you can. Everyone including myself want fast gains yesterday, but you should make some real good gains especially with the squats and deadlifts in the program. They boost the whole body.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have been pondering this lately too. Is it just a mental block as it's slower to get gains, or is there something else at work here too?

Psychologically, for sure, but there is a physiological aspect as well. The body builds up a tolerance to anything. Once nitrogen retention has been "assisted" chemically, it isn't quite as efficient. This is why the best results come after gaining as much as possible naturally, and then using gear to get to the point you would never reach otherwise. Unfortunately, too many guys think that occurs after training for 6 months.

 

[advanced-stealth]

I would wait.

 

[PhillyPA#1]

yeah Id wait. With all due respect, based on your avatar picture, if it is you of course you, you don't appear that big. I think you have ways to go naturally. I didnt touch gear until I reached what was likely my biggest natural possible weight. Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[23CALIBRO]

do test only for first cycle. do u have access to that? can u get AI's such as arimidex, aromasin, letro, etc.?

agreed! test for 1st timers maybe a dbol kick start, but test eth or cyp

 

[the small soldier]

yeah Id wait. With all due respect, based on your avatar picture, if it is you of course you, you don't appear that big. I think you have ways to go naturally. I didnt touch gear until I reached what was likely my biggest natural possible weight. Good luck with whatever you decide.

It's me... I know I'm not that big, that's why I am considering juice...Put on about 50 pounds in 3 from 2002-2005 and maybe a 3 or 5 pounds every year since, but from 2007 until now I can barely gain much at all it seems. I don't really know what else to do

 

[PhillyPA#1]

It's me... I know I'm not that big, that's why I am considering juice...Put on about 50 pounds in 3 from 2002-2005 and maybe a 3 or 5 pounds every year since, but from 2007 until now I can barely gain much at all it seems. I don't really know what else to do

I went from 170 natural weight to 208 in a matter of months, without gear. Id up the calories. You really gota eat a lot of calories to gain mass, let alone maintain it. Its ultimatly your call. If you decide to go forward, good luck. If you do things right you could gain 15-20 pounds from your first cycle.

 

[the small soldier]

I went from 170 natural weight to 208 in a matter of months, without gear. Id up the calories. You really gota eat a lot of calories to gain mass, let alone maintain it. Its ultimatly your call. If you decide to go forward, good luck. If you do things right you could gain 15-20 pounds from your first cycle.

I Don't know how i could possible up my calories anymore? I feel like I just get really fat when I eat more than I do right now

 

[GUARDIAN]

I Don't know how i could possible up my calories anymore? I feel like I just get really fat when I eat more than I do right now

how many more calories are you taking in now?

 

[the small soldier]

how many more calories are you taking in now?

between 5200 and 5800 calories a day

 

[GUARDIAN]

between 5200 and 5800 calories a day

use the mirror and tape measure (around the waist) as your best judge. if u feel u r not gaining then up the cals 500ed so 5200 would become 5700. then continue monitoring. if that was too much, i.e. bodyfat starts accumulating too quickly, then back down by 250 a day. You may have to play around with this until you find the right balance. Also I find, for me anyways, that if my carbs are too high then I start to add bf easily. But if i replace those cals with good fats and/or protein I am golden. I am an endo-mesomorph.

 

[the small soldier]

use the mirror and tape measure (around the waist) as your best judge. if u feel u r not gaining then up the cals 500ed so 5200 would become 5700. then continue monitoring. if that was too much, i.e. bodyfat starts accumulating too quickly, then back down by 250 a day. You may have to play around with this until you find the right balance. Also I find, for me anyways, that if my carbs are too high then I start to add bf easily. But if i replace those cals with good fats and/or protein I am golden. I am an endo-mesomorph.

Ok sounds good to me...
For the rest of this week I'll eat a small handful of almonds with every meal i have and see if that helps any.