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igomad

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this is some nasty stuff. 3 weeks have passed since I added tren into my test cycle.

Bloodwork before:

HDL chol. = 0,8 L
LDL chol. = 1,6 L
Triglyc. = 0,4 L
total chol = 2,8 L
Progesterone = 0,48


Bloodwork after 3 weeks tren @ 50mg ED

HDL chol. = 0,2
LDL chol. = 3,4
Triglyc. = 1,5
Progesterone = 5,9

I was using prami and stane since i started the damn cycle.
just wanted to let you know. Maybe a second or a third thought before using tren would be good.

I'll dump tren immediately and start 4iu HGH + some GHRP-6 ED to help my cholesterol levels come back to healthy like they always were! No matter how much test I used. Most cycles I've had so far were pharm grade test at high doses only or some masteron added in for hardness but nothing else.
 
However i'm in contest prep and would need something to harden me up a bit more.
I was thinking primo? never used it before. Some insight from experienced users would be very helpful. Does it effect cholesterol levels and joints? I have some joints issues too, can't really squat anymore because of my bad knee which only got worse since i've started this cycle
 
i'm not gonna defend tren but if you run most AAS even the mild ones you will scare yourself running bloods during cycle.

and thats why i always recommend guys not mess with tren unless they are in top shape and keep dosages conservative.

as far as contest prep mast prop will harden you up bigtime and sides are low.

for your joint problems have you tried upping your omega's? fish oils?
 
Tren is, to me, the opposite of bodybuilding. It's a trade off of fast results but you damage your body in the process.
 
What kind of prami are you using? Rumor has it that the liquid ones are not stable and really aren't effective. I'm using cabergoline pills and, though I haven't had progesterone checked with a lab, I am not having any progesterone related side affects.

Sucks bro, don't know what to tell you. I think maybe your prami is bunk or you should switch to caber and get a pill form, not liquid. Otherwise high dose hgh, test, primo, eq, var, winny, masteron. Those compounds will all help you harden up. Tren to me is the creme of the crop but you've been doing fine without the tren for all this time so you might do fine. Best of luck in your future competitions!
 
prami seems to be legit since my prolactin is super low! but progesterone won't move.

Nelson Montana, well said. I bow down to you bro.

@steve yes I'm taking in 30 grams of super strength fish oil every day no matter if its on cycle or off or whatever. I always put health on the 1st place.
I've been juicing for years and I was always very healthy, way more than the average couch potato. no BP issues, cholesterol, liver or anything else.

As i've said i will be adding in some HGH to help my joints and I will also start taking some glucosamine on a daily basis.
 
tren can be a rough ride for sure.... primo and var should harden you up .
i usually run mast with tren and prop, i cant really say what mast will bring to the party on its own.
 
what was your dosage?

IM glad you made the change!!!
 
I heard that gw501516 can help with cholesterol levels. I am currently taking gw. I haven't done any labs while on it, but the stuff is great for endurance. I don't know how it will effect your contest prep either, but hey I'm just throwing that out there from the research that I have done. I will be doing labs in a month. I will then see how it's affecting my cholesterol.
 
Yeah I heard the same thing that "conanx" mentioned, that prami in liquid solution is generally not stable. However, I bet it's just a matter of finding the correct solution with the correct pH to store it in. If you got it from a lab that has real chemists working there, they'll know how to properly prepare it in solution. But looks to me as if from your prolactin test, then you're good to go with the prami you had.

If you want to harden up, any high androgen AAS (that doesn't aromatize) will suffice. For orals, Proviron is good. Good luck
 
igomad said:
prami seems to be legit since my prolactin is super low! but progesterone won't move.

Nelson Montana, well said. I bow down to you bro.

@steve yes I'm taking in 30 grams of super strength fish oil every day no matter if its on cycle or off or whatever. I always put health on the 1st place.
I've been juicing for years and I was always very healthy, way more than the average couch potato. no BP issues, cholesterol, liver or anything else.

As i've said i will be adding in some HGH to help my joints and I will also start taking some glucosamine on a daily basis.
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try adding forma as well or like conan said switch to caber instead. your panel will go back to normal when you come off cycle, thats why everyone should cycle off and give the body a break! even if you are competing. but your progesterone issues can cause more problems then you would like during and make recovery tougher.
 
@peejae I've been using GW501516 for 2 months straight @ 10ml ED (from uniqemicals) and cholesterol hasn't moved a tiny bit. Neither have I noticed anything else. So from my experience it is a waste of $

@swolnutz the prami is def legit. I got it from AR-R . All their stuff I ever got was legit. Everytime I get prami I do the nausea test. I take 1mg and wait and see how fast and how strong it comes. I've taken so much prami in my life i can tell immediately if it's underdosed and this one is clearly not 1mg got me sick for the whole next day lol. Also my prolactin the next morning was almost zero.

how's proviron for cholesterol and joints BTW? All I know its that its awesome for libido, but mine is also too strong atm from the test...
also, could finasteride help with the chol. and joints issue? From what I understand this is more DHT related problem so it would make sense to me?

thanks for your help everyone I really appreciate it. This forum is awesome
 
@steve i know all that and I will do a complete 8 month break from any kind of gear after this comp. But i'm still 2 months out and basically just beginning my cycle! so quitting gear now is a no go, not until may.
 
I knew Tren was nasty shit without having the blood tests done..

Nelson is on point with what he said, its the opposite of what bodybuilding is about, when training and cycling becomes unjoyable and causes u harm just for faster results, whats the point. For me mentality has a huge part in it all.. I know this isnt the case with everyone tho.. if u can handle it, carry on... but i wont be using that shit again.
 
what do ya'll think about low doses like 50 mgs m/w/f
 
Tren is not for the faint-hearted. Montana and Steve made a lot of sense, therefore, either take tren and realize what you are dealing with or stay 50 miles away from it. I start my cycle in May, can't wait!!
 
what I noticed is that the second day off and the lethargy I constantly had is completely gone. It's 3am over here and I'm up and happy and doing my work whereas before just getting out of bed was a problem. I'll see how it affects my gym performance tho, I became a freak on tren :D
 
@ igomad.

Can't say how the Proviron is for joints, but within two weeks, I noticed a lot of hardening of the muscles and even my face began to look less puffy. Once I do my Dbol/NPP cycle, I plan on using Proviron the last 4 weeks to harden up.
 
I run tren with every cycle. When im off it I cant wait to get back on it. The first couple times running it I noticed alot of sides. Now im fine, maybe built up a tolerance for it.Tren is a love hate relationship but the pros out weigh the cons imo. Not for everyone though. Send ur leftovers to me. Ill dispose of it properly lol

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I have used Tren Enanthate twice and I agree, its not a candy or toy to mess with. Its very real and potent, better be ready for some sides like night sweats, aggression, insomnia, anxiety. But on the flip side, with smart reasonable doses, you get unbelievable results with it.
 
theemperor said:
I have used Tren Enanthate twice and I agree, its not a candy or toy to mess with. Its very real and potent, better be ready for some sides like night sweats, aggression, insomnia, anxiety. But on the flip side, with smart reasonable doses, you get unbelievable results with it.
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The insomnia would drive me crazy not to mention I would wake up soaked in sweat. I was waking up around 2:30 every night and tossing and turning for an hour or so and eventually just say fuck it and get up for the day. I was only getting a few hours of sleep and that lasted for about 3 weeks while on and came back when I came off. I was doing 100mg of ace and 125mg prop EOD. It did a great job of cutting and strenth increases but I don't think I would put body through that again. Although, I have two vials just sitting and I do believe it is a sin to waste good gear. Maybe I'll throw it in a future cycle.

There I go talking myself into doing something I swore I would never do again. Dammit!!
 
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not bashing you OP but in general i'm so sick of people bashingtren and saying their dick doesn't work or whatever. RUN THE PROPER ANCILLARIES or don't run tren at all!! or saying they are experiencing crazy sides.. LOWER the dosages if your sides are too much.. run the compound properly.

tren E and var cycle I am on right now.. zero sides aside from maybe a little lethargy late in the day.. libido is through the roof thanks to hcgenerate and caber. best cycle i ever ran. appetite is tremendous as well. i'm blowing through weight barriers.. i really think I will crack 200 pounds by the end of this cycle and at 5 6 with 12% fat that is pretty damn impressive.
 
stevesmi said:
not bashing you OP but in general i'm so sick of people bashingtren and saying their dick doesn't work or whatever. RUN THE PROPER ANCILLARIES or don't run tren at all!! or saying they are experiencing crazy sides.. LOWER the dosages if your sides are too much.. run the compound properly.

tren E and var cycle I am on right now.. zero sides aside from maybe a little lethargy late in the day.. libido is through the roof thanks to hcgenerate and caber. best cycle i ever ran. appetite is tremendous as well. i'm blowing through weight barriers.. i really think I will crack 200 pounds by the end of this cycle and at 5 6 with 12% fat that is pretty damn impressive.
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200lbs? I thought you were above 200 did you drop and now ur building back up?
 
I got a tip for some of the Tren whiners on here, maybe if you change your tampon or put your big boy pants on you could handle these so called unbearable sides better.

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tallmick said:
I got a tip for some of the Tren whiners on here, maybe if you change your tampon or put your big boy pants on you could handle these so called unbearable sides better.

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So I guess if people don't like the sides of a drug and prefer not to use it, they are bitches? Solid logic.
 
bigb797977 said:
So I guess if people don't like the sides of a drug and prefer not to use it, they are bitches? Solid logic.
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if they are bitching about it, yes... dont say we didnt warn you guys how much it hurts...
if they are losing competitions and are scared of it, yes... dont say we didnt tell you how much it helps...

hate it or love it... but everyone must respect it!
 
moya said:
if they are bitching about it, yes... dont say we didnt warn you guys how much it hurts...
if they are losing competitions and are scared of it, yes... dont say we didnt tell you how much it helps...

hate it or love it... but everyone must respect it!
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i'm on 50mg ed right now and its been two weeks and its almost unbelievable the changes to my body and gym performance, scary to think I still have 6 weeks left on it :evil:....I got insomnia too but grabbed some melatonin and i'm sleeping like a rock, the only other sides i'm getting is lean mass, decreased body fat and increased strength lol
 
tallmick said:
Has anyone had any strange reactions while using Caber?

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Yeah, random uncontrolable erections :evil:

I always take it before bed. It gives me a sort of "high" feeling so I take it before I go to sleep so the next day I get all the affects without the weird high in the sky mood.
 
stevesmi said:
not bashing you OP but in general i'm so sick of people bashingtren and saying their dick doesn't work or whatever. RUN THE PROPER ANCILLARIES or don't run tren at all!! or saying they are experiencing crazy sides.. LOWER the dosages if your sides are too much.. run the compound properly.

tren E and var cycle I am on right now.. zero sides aside from maybe a little lethargy late in the day.. libido is through the roof thanks to hcgenerate and caber. best cycle i ever ran. appetite is tremendous as well. i'm blowing through weight barriers.. i really think I will crack 200 pounds by the end of this cycle and at 5 6 with 12% fat that is pretty damn impressive.
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Yup I'm running 770mg Tren Ace, 600mg EQ, and now only 300mg of Test E and my libido has never been better. Caber EOD is doing me a world of good. Also I cracked 250lbs for the first time. But I haven't put on any fat and I actually "feel" kind of small but the scale doesn't lie.
 
I'm gonna run it at 25 mgs a day with current cycle
 
i got some local gear once that was a strange blend... 200mg test e, 50mg tren a and 10mg winny per mL... got a crazy deal on it, and i ended up shooting it m/w/f with no tren sides out of the ordinary...

i wont say my results were as good as if i ran a little more, but the sides were almost non existant... definately 'worth it'...
 
igomad said:
However i'm in contest prep and would need something to harden me up a bit more.
I was thinking primo? never used it before. Some insight from experienced users would be very helpful. Does it effect cholesterol levels and joints? I have some joints issues too, can't really squat anymore because of my bad knee which only got worse since i've started this cycle
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use masterone 100mg every other day in place of the tren this will also lower your prog too and one of the best for tightening up..

As for tren its like any steroid it has its sides some mother than others some different than others. Run tren ace only and run it 8 weeks max. And you should have been doing way more support sups than just prami anyway.
 
@needto

My supplement stack is huge at all times lol .
ATM i'm taking

Acetyl L-carnitine
Phoshpaditylserine
NAC
Milk thistle
Super strenght fish oil
B12 injectable
Super strong multivit + mineral
Glucosamine HCL + sulph.
Magnesium citrate
D3 + calcium
Coenzyme Q10
Resveratrol
Grapeseed extract
Garlic extract
Glucorolonactone
Raspberry ketones
ALA
GLA
psyllium husks
xanthan gum
alpha-alpha extract
Glycine, arginine, glutamine
lots of whey protein
tons of vegetables of all kinds

and much more :D
 
tallmick said:
Bigb it is perfect logic you have heard the precautions and turning a discussion board into a bitch festival is uncalled for. So to sum it up suck it.

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So now we have digressed into name calling?
I thought a discussion board was about posting a topic and getting feedback from others based on their experience. If you don't like someones opinion or advice then ignore it. I believe Nelson Montana himself had something negative to say about Tren but I don't see you telling him to "put on his big boy pants" or "to suck it". I didn't even start this thread or offer anything more than an experience I had while on Tren.
 
Its just like what steve said at the beginning bro... Doing bloods while on cycle is only gonna scare you... You cant forget that your injecting a compound into your body that was never intended on being there... You cant expect everything to remain the same when its speeding up every process in your body and changing you bodys overall chemistry and metabolism... This is why doing steroids come with a price to your health no matter how you look at it... More conservative doses like nelson mentioned are only gonna help keep sides at min. and are more easier on the body, regardless your doing damage by putting compounds and peptides in that are not suppose to be inside of you, of course long term usage is still be studied because it is still new..... markus ruhl and Dennis Wolf both said when asked about steroids, "We dont do them for our health" granted your not megadosing, its still detrimental...
 
2 things tren done to me was make me look unreal
but messed me up in the head a bit, i was pretty parrinoid bro thats why im keeping away ,shame its good shit

gona try some hgh and test prop maybe some var
 
I am wondering if someone can give me specific examples of the damage Tren causes to the body. Not stirring up debate on whether it isn't that bad for you just looking for feedback.

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