Need help! Still not recovered 7 wks post pct- HCG?

[fray5]

I'm 25 and did a cycle of test prop/tbol for 8 wks. I only did like 2500iu's of hcg the last week and then did clomid for 5 wks. After the clomid my t levels were 636, but my testicles still atrophied. About 4-5 wks later I had more blood work with the following:

FSH 0.9 Low (Ref. Interval 1.5-12.4)
LH 4.0 (Ref. Interval 1.7-8.6)
Testosterone 379 (Ref. Interval 348-1197)
Estradiol <5.1 Low (Ref. Interval 7.6-42.6)

I've been given various opinions from other boards saying I should just wait and then others saying to use HCG/HMG and then nolva/clomid again. Honestly, it's been really rough bc I've had some depression, loss of weight, no libido, and crappy concentration. My testes just don't feel like they normally do and it's really bumming me out. I'm still young and want to have my fun before having a family. What do you all suggest I do? My thoughts right now are that I'll come back, but there's no telling how long that may be. I'm leaning towards the HCG route bc it seems that it'll get me back to form quicker and I don't have to wait around with all the problems my messed up levels are causing me.

 

[John McLane]

I'm 25 and did a cycle of test prop/tbol for 8 wks. I only did like 2500iu's of hcg the last week and then did clomid for 5 wks. After the clomid my t levels were 636, but my testicles still atrophied. About 4-5 wks later I had more blood work with the following:

FSH 0.9 Low (Ref. Interval 1.5-12.4)
LH 4.0 (Ref. Interval 1.7-8.6)
Testosterone 379 (Ref. Interval 348-1197)
Estradiol <5.1 Low (Ref. Interval 7.6-42.6)

I've been given various opinions from other boards saying I should just wait and then others saying to use HCG/HMG and then nolva/clomid again. Honestly, it's been really rough bc I've had some depression, loss of weight, no libido, and crappy concentration. My testes just don't feel like they normally do and it's really bumming me out. I'm still young and want to have my fun before having a family. What do you all suggest I do? My thoughts right now are that I'll come back, but there's no telling how long that may be. I'm leaning towards the HCG route bc it seems that it'll get me back to form quicker and I don't have to wait around with all the problems my messed up levels are causing me.

Your PCT needed some Unleashed and DAA Powder, you should of taken HCGenerate during cycle, and not bothered with the clomid IMO.

 

[fray5]

Your PCT needed some Unleashed and DAA Powder, you should of taken HCGenerate during cycle, and not bothered with the clomid IMO.

Well what would you suggest I do now then?

 

[John McLane]

Well what would you suggest I do now then?

Get some Unleashed/Post cycle combo, DAA powder, zinc, decent multi vit, tribulus at 3000mg a day, use some creatine and decent pre-workout supplement and in 4-5 weeks I PROMISE you that you will feel better....trust me, I have been there and I do want to help you.

 

[joeblow12345]

What were your clomid doses and when did you stop hcg? Lay out your pct so We can see exactly what you did.

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[bigbassturd]

Run unleashed, hcgenerate, and DAA (powder or chews) for a month at the suggested doses. Nolva and clomid aren't going to do shit for you except make you feel like hammered dog shit.

The NTBM pct products are all natural and will have you back to normal before you know it bro.

The worst thing you can do right now is stop training!

 

[Nelson Montana]

you need to re-run your PCT again, and run it longer

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I disagree. He'll get the same results. HCG raise test temporarily but if your body doesn't take the cue, levels will just drop back down. That's why you need to support your natural recovery at that point UNLEASHED and protein factory POST-CYCLE will do that.

Clomid and nolvadex do not help ion recovery. That's an old myth. They're anti
estrogens and can make you feel lousy and even slow recovery and diminish gains.

 

[John McLane]

I disagree. He'll get the same results. HCG raise test temporarily but if your body doesn't take the cue, levels will just drop back down. That's why you need to support your natural recovery at that point UNLEASHED and protein factory POST-CYCLE will do that.

Clomid and nolvadex do not help ion recovery. That's an old myth. They're anti
estrogens and can make you feel lousy and even slow recovery and diminish gains.

Spot on Nelson

 

[fray5]

Thanks for all the replies so far! The pct I ran was Clomid 70/70/50/25/25 and Nolva 10/10/10/10. I also ran an AI (Aromasin) during cycle. So you all think Unleashed and Protein factory Post-cyle will bring my nuts, sex drive, and feeling of well-being back?

 

[stevesmi]

okay first off the reason you feel like shit is not cause your T levels are low (they are NOT).. your LH is at 4 which means your body is producing its own test on its own.

you didn't even have to post what you took for PCT cause i already knew you stacked clomid and nolva together and ran them too much. hence why your estrogen is so damn low.. you totally killed your estrogen.. that is why you feel like shit. not only that but also you can kiss your muscle gains goodbye, you cannot build muscle without estrogen.

so as joe blow above said. stay the hell away from clomid and nolva. and just run natty supps. your estrogen will bounce back and you will feel better. your FSH is still low and that is just tough luck my friend and the risk you take using hormones and that may never go back to normal.. but atleast your LH is strong and your test levels will gradually recover.

so run the natty supps and get the hell away from nolva/clomid PCT's.. this is why we tell guys not to run that shitty 1985 style PCT. cause you feel like shit on it. but we still have guys on here argue with the vets and claim thats the way to go.

do you understand what you did wrong here? you stacked 2 estrogen killing things together and hence your estrogen got killed. its pretty simple logic.. thats why breast cancer survivors who get put on nolva for 5 years straight say they would rather DIE then live a life on nolva for 5 years and deal with the awful sides of low estrogen. for a women its absolutely brutal, for a man its not much better. i just want to make sure you learned from your mistake so you don't do it again.. flush the nolva down the toilet so no human ever has to take it again. why do docs give it to women? cause its CHEAP!.. why do bodybuilders take it for pct? cause they are dumb!