Need (Help/Advice) SUS & DECA CYCLE

[2012PakMuscles]

Looks like you have done some research, welcome to the boards!! As a newbie, I'm sure reading all the threads could be confusing. As for your post, you stated that cycle was a classic.. and it is for bulking.

The reason why people say to stay off deca as a first cycle choice is because it has many sides you need to watch for and be prepared for. Yes, all aas has sides, but some have more then others so most will say to stick to one compound for a first cycle to help you out so you can see what if any sides you get from that.

This way should you go on to another cycle you will know what to look for. You have taken the right step, and thats to come to the boards and research and build a foundation to learn on. I know of many people who find a dealer, buy and go on based on what their supplier says is G2G.

Looking at your diet, it looks like you understand how to eat thats a good start. the first three things that need to be solid are EATING/RESTING/TRAINING what does your training look like?

but going back to your initial question about the cycle, on cycle treatment could change depending on the compounds you plan on doing. Have you looked over threads having PCT protocols for the types of aas you are planning on taking? I'm sure thats where you're getting confused as some work best for certain compounds then others.

What have you read about estrogen? or rebounding, or keeping down bloating? If the only compounds you have are SUS/DECA/DBOL and that's what you are going to do the bro's here on the board will suggest you only take the sus and possible dbol because of the deca sides, I have done that cycle (deca/sus/dbol) and it was a great mass builder and my strength went up.

I did get sides fairly quickly but I also know others who took that and had no issues at all. Maybe the other bro's can help you plan your on cycle treatment based on their experience same with pct.

look into
N2GUARD
UNLEASHED
SUSTAINED ALPHA
HCGENERATE
PROV
ADEX

Look into all this and more, come up with an outline based on your over all research and I'm sure others will critique to help you get the best out of your first cycle...Your receptors are very open to AAS and you will grow, its just being able to handle the sides dealing with them and having the best protocol to keep what you put on.

Welcome to the boards
Fisty

Thanks A lot Fisty for all the input I will look into everything further and post an outline soon. As for Resting I sleep 8-9 hours and As for Training: I DID 2 DAY ON 1 DAY OFF

DAY ONE – CHEST, SHOULDERS & TRICEPS

(ALL 3 BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Incline Dumbbell Press
Flat-Bench Dumbbell Press
Decline Dumbbell Press

(ALL 3 BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Lateral Raise
Seated T-Lateral Raises
Standing Overhead Dumbell Press

(ALL 3 BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Lying Barbell Skull Crushers
Close Grip Presses
Bench Dips


DAY TWO – QUADRICEPS, HAMSTRINGS & CALVES

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Front Squat (Narrow Stance)
Front Squat (Wide Stance)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Back Squat (Narrow Stance)
Back Squat (Wide Stance)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 20-30 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Seated Calf Press
Standing Calf Press


DAY THREE OFF


DAY FOUR – BACk, BICEPS, & ABS

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Wide Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Narrow Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Reverse Grip)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Reverse Barbell Curl Wide-Grip
Barbell Curl Close-Grip
Barbell Curl

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 15-20 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Hanging Knee Raise
Weighted Knee Crunch


DAY FIVE – TRICEPS, SHOULDERS & CHEST

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Lying Barbell Skull Crushers
Close Grip Presses
Bench Dips

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Lateral Raise
Seated T-Lateral Raises
Standing Overhead Dumbell Press

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Incline Dumbbell Press
Flat-Bench Dumbbell Press
Decline Dumbbell Press


DAY SIX OFF


DAY SEVEN - CALvES, HAMSTRINGS & QUADRICEPS

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 20-30 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Seated Calf Press
Standing Calf Press

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Back Squat (Narrow Stance)
Back Squat (Wide Stance)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Front Squat (Narrow Stance)
Front Squat (Wide Stance)


DAY EIGHT - ABS, BICEPS & BACk

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 15-20 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Hanging Knee Raise
Weighted Knee Crunch

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Reverse Barbell Curl Wide-Grip
Barbell Curl Close-Grip
Barbell Curl

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Wide Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Narrow Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Reverse Grip)

DAY NINE OFF

DAY TEN (REPEAT FROM DAY ONE ABOVE)

 

[2012PakMuscles]

Ok as per the research I have done, how does this View attachment 88393 look:?


Will also be taking Fish Oil Morning and Night Every Day

Also 2 Table Spoons of Natural Peanut Butter b4 Bed.

Will Have Letrozole on hand, if needed.

Please feel free to critique this and give me any advice you have thanks.


While on should I take creatine ? The reason why I ask this is because it helps with strength and holding water and while i'm taking things to prevent that would it be ok to use? Or should I just leave it alone for now?

Also if anyone has used any supplements that worked very well for them that I should take in addition or substitue in for something, Please let me know.

Before I do anything I will get blood test done and then 6 weeks in and again after pct.

 

[-SD-]

Ok as per the research I have done, how does this View attachment 88393 look:?


Will also be taking Fish Oil Morning and Night Every Day

Also 2 Table Spoons of Natural Peanut Butter b4 Bed.

Will Have Letrozole on hand, if needed.

Please feel free to critique this and give me any advice you have thanks.


While on should I take creatine ? The reason why I ask this is because it helps with strength and holding water and while i'm taking things to prevent that would it be ok to use? Or should I just leave it alone for now?

Also if anyone has used any supplements that worked very well for them that I should take in addition or substitue in for something, Please let me know.

Before I do anything I will get blood test done and then 6 weeks in and again after pct.

Too young and too small to start messing with roids yet. At your height and weight you should easily be at least 185 and lean since youre so young. if your posted diet is the truth then you must have a metabolism faster than a humming bird on meth, since you arent holding any mass. My advice since you PM'd me, is to figure out your diet that allows you to put on mass, get to about 185 or so, then think about hitting the roids of just a testosterone cycle only.

 

[2012PakMuscles]

Too young and too small to start messing with roids yet. At your height and weight you should easily be at least 185 and lean since youre so young. if your posted diet is the truth then you must have a metabolism faster than a humming bird on meth, since you arent holding any mass. My advice since you PM'd me, is to figure out your diet that allows you to put on mass, get to about 185 or so, then think about hitting the roids of just a testosterone cycle only.

Thanks for the input bro. Did you look over the cycle? Just for future reference, If I were to reach 190 normally at about 9% body fat would it be a good outline/cycle...?

 

[fisty]

2012PakM -

1. the diet and training look dialed in
2. the cycle def looks like you have done some research

my question is ---

you should NEVER take nolva with a 19-nor, which deca is... you are overloading a serious amount of prolactin doing this and it will lead to big problems... thats great that you didn't experience any sides but you are one of the few that fall into that category... most fall into the category of having a lot of sides with it so you need to be making that clear when you post, otherwise, someone who is new to steroids will think that may hold true for most and then end up hurting themselves... please be careful how you phrase things... i just put people's health and safety first...

1. If dylangemlli brought up Nolva is probably a bad idea because you will be overloading prolactin what is the reasoning for its use? do you feel those issues will be gone while in your PCT? (jus want to understand the thought behind this)

As dylangemlli stated and most would agree - safety first - with that said, you came here to get direction and be safe in your use.

If you are set on that as a cycle, I would look into tweaking the pct just a bit. but it looks like a good set up (others will use much higher doses, and might pin sus every2/3 days, but for a first timer the small amounts will work just fine)

It would be good to see what other bro's will say on that actual cycle outline

 

[-SD-]

Thanks for the input bro. Did you look over the cycle? Just for future reference, If I were to reach 190 normally at about 9% body fat would it be a good outline/cycle...?

For future reference (if you can contain yourself) the typical ideal first cycle is test cyp or enanthate at 400mg/wk for 8-10 weeks, adex .25mg/ED, HCG 250iu/2x week throughout cycle
And proper PCT of course

 

[2012PakMuscles]

2012PakM -

1. the diet and training look dialed in
2. the cycle def looks like you have done some research
most would agree - safety first - with that said, you came here to get direction and be safe in your use.

If you are set on that as a cycle, I would look into tweaking the pct just a bit. but it looks like a good set up (others will use much higher doses, and might pin sus every2/3 days, but for a first timer the small amounts will work just fine)

It would be good to see what other bro's will say on that actual cycle outline

Thank you so much for for your input.
I came to the boards initially to get help on PCT and on cycle help because I read so many things that conflicted.
I have done a great deal of research on this cycle and I'm just looking for good feedback and critiques as I know the sides/effects/what to watch for.
Lets say I take out the nolva is there something you suggest i replace it with?

 

[2012PakMuscles]

In case no one saw the actual cycle:
View attachment 88583
Any Revisions Appreciated.