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Need (Help/Advice) SUS & DECA CYCLE

2012PakMuscles

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Im a newbie and have been researching many threads. I have read so many conflicting stories and could use some insight and tips.

I'm about to go on my first cycle. WILL NOT use HUGE AMOUNTS because I'm aware it is my first cycle.

My Stats

AGE: 22
10% BF
150lbs.
5'11


Cycle:

Week 1-10 250 mg sus
Week 1-10 200 mg deca
2 Weeks after last injection: Clomid 100mg/days 1-7
50mg/days 8-21

Nolva on hand if issues arise

HCG for PCT

Letro

My question is this, i will be getting HCG for post cycle therapy I have Clomid and Nolva and will also possibly be picking up Unleashed. Have USP LABS PRIME and Test Powder on Hand too.

How should I design my post cycle since I read so much conflicting ideas concerning this. I know since its my first cycle i will be very receptive to the compounds and I dont want to hinder gains.

Some say to keep nolva on hand just in case, others say it will block some receptors and not to use on cycle. most post i read are from people who have many cycles under their belt so their pinning 500+ mg a week of test, and I know thats to much at this point and most PCT protocols are designed for the people who take larger amounts then i will be on.

Can someone help me design the PCT and on cycle therapy that would work best.

Also how should the letro be used while on cycle
What else should be taken to make sure no issues arise and to make sure most gains are kept.
Goal is to gain between 35-40 lbs and keep 25-30lbs

Thanks
 
this entire thing is a mess.

1. you are only 150 pounds, unless you are a midgit then it means you don't have your training and diet down or you are totally new to lifting. at 5 11 i would say you definately have no muscle on your frame at all and would spend your entire cycle being sore from no conditioning

2. you are only 22, see #1.. no base to work with, but worst is you want to mess with deca at 22. not a good idea

3. deca for a first cycle, not a good idea for many reasons specifically too many things can go wrong and you won't know what to do

4. hcg isn't for pct. it should be run down the stretch and blasted as a kickstart into pct.

5. your clomid dose is way too high. 12-25mg a day, not 100 a day.. and nolva should never be run with a progestin, much less at all.. nolva is a shitty SERM throw it away

6. sustanon and deca both have long esters, should be run longer than 10 weeks. 14 weeks is a better idea. sustanon has a 3 week half life ester..if you want 10 weeks run something else that doesn't take time to build up

7. letro should be avoided unless its absolutely necessary, side effects are too awful. if you are gyno prone do yourself a favor and stay the hell away from deca now and forever or get ready to shop at victoria's secret for a new bra.

8. you really believe you can put on 25-30 pounds of real mass in 10 weeks? get real man. steroids are not magic pills.. if it was that easy then every juicehead on this forum would be 300 pounds of rock hard muscle and be in the Olympia since many of us having been juicing for years.

9.. see #1

10. see #1
 
Thanks for the input Steve,

Like I mentioned I have read nothing but conflicting advice in every area, cycle, pct, and what have you.

Gaining 30lbs on a first cycle is very obtainable (again at least thats what I have read in countless newbie threads).

I know I won't keep all that mass, as alot will likely be water, but once that is taken care of post cycle I would hope to keep a good portion.

Im currently 10% bf I have been training and eating right to bulk for 2 years and cant grow no matter how high my strength gets.

I was also told that maybe this would be a better cycle, but again Im trying to learn and I'm coming here to get solid information because everything I read counters each other...

d-bol 20mg ed 10 days
or ed for 4 weeks
w1-10 sus 250
hcg starting two weeks before last inject. and clomid starting 2 weeks after last inj.

My Metabolism is extremely high and thus makes it hard for me to pack on weight no matter how much I eat (currently eating 3000-4000 healthy calories a day)

I want to keep water gains as low as possible and gyno at bay throughout the cycle
 
Show us your diet. Break it down for us, and we'll see just how big you are eating bro

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Show us your diet. Break it down for us, and we'll see just how big you are eating bro

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4000-4500 Calorie Healthy Mass Diet

7:00 am Breakfast
2 cups Milk, low fat (1%) 4 oz Mozzarella cheese, light/low fat 1 cup Fruit cocktail 1 2/3 tsp Olive, Flax, Hemp or Salmon Oils 6 Egg whites 2 slice Whole grain bread

-Item Portions 63g P 81g C 15g F Calories: 711


9:00 am Snack
1 cup Cottage cheese, light/low fat 28 grams Protein powder 1 cup Grapes 3 tbsp Barley
1 oz Sunflower seeds

-Item Portions 56g P 72g C 15g F Calories: 647


11:00 am Mid Meal
13 1/2 oz Chicken breast, deli style 1 cup Onions 2 cups Zucchini 2 Peppers (bell or cubanelle)
2 Tomatoes 2 slice Whole grain bread 1 2/3 tsp Olive, Flax, Hemp or Salmon Oils

-Item Portions 63g P 81g C 15g F Calories: 711


2:00 pm Snack Meal Portions: P:8 C:8 F: 5
2 1/2 cups Yogurt, plain, low fat 21 grams Protein powder 1 Banana 5 tsp Peanut butter, natural

-Item Portions 56g P 72g C 15g F Calories: 647


5:00 pm Dinner
8 oz Whitefish 3 oz Hard cheeses, light/low fat 1 1/2 cups Baked beans 5 Macadamia nuts 1 cup Potato

-Item Portions 63g P 81g C 15g F Calories: 711


8:00 pm Snack
35 grams Protein powder 2 cups Milk, low fat (1%) 2 cups Raspberries 1 1/2 tbsp Barley
1 2/3 tsp Olive, Flax, Hemp or Salmon Oils

-Item Portions 49g P 63g C 15g F Calories: 583


Total Daily Portions: Protein: 350g Carbohydrates: 450g Fat: 90g Calories: 4010

I also take Fish Oil 3 X Day, Animal Pak, Extreme Nitric Stack by Nutrabio,

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Sounds like a lie. With your size you will be gaining about 2lbs of fat a week eating that. 3500 cal excess equates to a pound of fat. If you aren't, you are either doing too much cardio or have a freakish metabolism like ive never heard of. If any of these are the case just eat more or stop cardio.

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I just tuned 21...deca wasn't an issue with me but for first cycle try something like test E w/ EQ..as far as your diet WTF try something like this

1. 1/2 Cup uncooked oats
16 oz liquid egg whites
2. 8 oz chicken breat
4 oz baked or sweet
3. 8 oz chicken breast
1 cup rice
1/2 cup broccoli
4. 10 oz tilapia
4 oz baked or sweet
5. 6 oz steak
1 cup rice
1/2 cup spinach
6. 16 oz liquid egg whites
1/2 tbsp PB before bed
1/2 grapefruit
 
My Stats

(All Natural at the Moment)

AGE: 22
Body Fat: 10%
Weight: 150lbs.
Height: 5'11

I have been training and eating right to bulk for 2 years. However, I am an extreme ecto-morph who can eat whatever he wants and never get fat. -_-


My Goal is to Gain 30lbs and keep at least 20lbs and after reading many threads I believe this is possible on a first cycle. So If I can get to 180-190lbs and maintain 170-175lbs it would be a great achievement.

Diet Now (See 6th Post)
Diet On Cycle (Increase Calories by 500-1000)

CYCLE:

Week 1-4 20mg DBOL Every Day
Week 1-10 250 mg SUS

Week 1-10 DECA 200mg (Optional)

I am just looking for the Best Cycle Design...
What is the best to take while on?
What is the best pct?

I would post links of all conflicting threads but the forum will not allow me to do so at this point.

I have read that this cycle is considered to be a "classic" bulking cycle, I know many people are saying not to take deca in a first cycle, but I'm open to using it or not, doesn't matter at this point I just want to know the scientific reasoning of not doing it, instead of just hearing people say "DONT DO IT" I want to learn why not to especially after reading its a classic and solid cycle...

So with the Deca involved what would I need to take while on? Arimedex? Liquidex? Nolvadex? or Something Else? Same with PCT (What is Best?) - also if I don't take the Deca what should I take while on and after for pct?

I also read that a beginners stack cycle will do wonders I only have access to Sustanon, Deca, & Dbol. I only intend to do the one cycle and KEEP as much quality gains as humanly possible

***********?**?**4 QUESTIONS**?**?***********

1) Is my Goal of gaining 30lbs and keeping at least 20lbs. realistic?

2) What is the best way to design this cycle without deca?

A) What is best to take while on cycle?

B) What is best to take as PCT?

C) What is scientific Reason to not use deca?

3) What is the best way to design this cycle with deca?

A) What is best to take while on cycle?

B) What is best to take as PCT?

4) Should HCG be used all the way through? (If so How Much?)

A) When should HCG be used, if not all the way through?

Please critique and answer my questions.
Any extra info would be great.
Thanks in Advance.
 
I'm about to run this cycle

300mgs deca a week
600mgs enanthate a week
75mgs of tren A EOD
ArimadeX 1MG EOD

Going to run the tren for 6 weeks

As far as deca and enanthate that will be for 12-15 weeks
 
Btw I weighed in at 149lbs for my show and 2 -3 months later I hit 205 off my first cycle (test e+ EQ) if you don't know much about what your using you prob shouldn't use the gear yet..as for weight gain everyone's different diet is also key you need to be consistent
 
Sounds like a lie. With your size you will be gaining about 2lbs of fat a week eating that. 3500 cal excess equates to a pound of fat. If you aren't, you are either doing too much cardio or have a freakish metabolism like ive never heard of. If any of these are the case just eat more or stop cardio.

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Thanks for the input..I wish I could gain...and the diet I have been on was through speaking with Dr.'s and nutritionists for the sole purpose to track diet and understand why the body is not gaining and to see why the metabolism works so fast...they where thinking about putting me on HGH...
 
I just tuned 21...deca wasn't an issue with me but for first cycle try something like test E w/ EQ

Did you have any issues on deca what did you do?
What did your cycle look like?
What On Cycle Treatment and PCT did you use?
If you used deca then why state for me to not use it? and to try something else...
I have deca/dbol/sus and thats what i want info on
 
Looks like you have done some research, welcome to the boards!! As a newbie, I'm sure reading all the threads could be confusing. As for your post, you stated that cycle was a classic.. and it is for bulking.

The reason why people say to stay off deca as a first cycle choice is because it has many sides you need to watch for and be prepared for. Yes, all aas has sides, but some have more then others so most will say to stick to one compound for a first cycle to help you out so you can see what if any sides you get from that.

This way should you go on to another cycle you will know what to look for. You have taken the right step, and thats to come to the boards and research and build a foundation to learn on. I know of many people who find a dealer, buy and go on based on what their supplier says is G2G.

Looking at your diet, it looks like you understand how to eat thats a good start. the first three things that need to be solid are EATING/RESTING/TRAINING what does your training look like?

but going back to your initial question about the cycle, on cycle treatment could change depending on the compounds you plan on doing. Have you looked over threads having PCT protocols for the types of aas you are planning on taking? I'm sure thats where you're getting confused as some work best for certain compounds then others.

What have you read about estrogen? or rebounding, or keeping down bloating? If the only compounds you have are SUS/DECA/DBOL and that's what you are going to do the bro's here on the board will suggest you only take the sus and possible dbol because of the deca sides, I have done that cycle (deca/sus/dbol) and it was a great mass builder and my strength went up.

I did get sides fairly quickly but I also know others who took that and had no issues at all. Maybe the other bro's can help you plan your on cycle treatment based on their experience same with pct.

look into
N2GUARD
UNLEASHED
SUSTAINED ALPHA
HCGENERATE
PROV
ADEX

Look into all this and more, come up with an outline based on your over all research and I'm sure others will critique to help you get the best out of your first cycle...Your receptors are very open to AAS and you will grow, its just being able to handle the sides dealing with them and having the best protocol to keep what you put on.

Welcome to the boards
Fisty
 
Did you have any issues on deca what did you do?
What did your cycle look like?
What On Cycle Treatment and PCT did you use?
If you used deca then why state for me to not use it? and to try something else...
I have deca/dbol/sus and thats what i want info on

I had 0 issue a w/ deca NONE..I also was not taking a cycle therapy buying took nolvadeX post cycle, I stopped deca 2 weeks before the test. I would recommend it to anyone but then again everyone reacts different..some people get "deca dick" might want to keep Viagra or cialiS on hand if you end up having problems..again I did NOT have any & I just started my new cycle w/ deca again today
 
I had 0 issue a w/ deca NONE..I also was not taking a cycle therapy buying took nolvadeX post cycle, I stopped deca 2 weeks before the test. I would recommend it to anyone but then again everyone reacts different..some people get "deca dick" might want to keep Viagra or cialiS on hand if you end up having problems..again I did NOT have any & I just started my new cycle w/ deca again today


you should NEVER take nolva with a 19-nor, which deca is... you are overloading a serious amount of prolactin doing this and it will lead to big problems... thats great that you didn't experience any sides but you are one of the few that fall into that category... most fall into the category of having a lot of sides with it so you need to be making that clear when you post, otherwise, someone who is new to steroids will think that may hold true for most and then end up hurting themselves... please be careful how you phrase things... i just put people's health and safety first...
 
Your goal of keeping 20-25lbs is WAY out there man... you'd be lucky to keep 5-7lbs if by some miracle you did everything right, which you can't because you don't have enough experience with nutrition and training... I'll echo what Dylan said, listen to Steve and whatever you do forget about the Deca for a few years....
 
I had 0 issue a w/ deca NONE..I also was not taking a cycle therapy buying took nolvadeX post cycle, I stopped deca 2 weeks before the test. I would recommend it to anyone but then again everyone reacts different..some people get "deca dick" might want to keep Viagra or cialiS on hand if you end up having problems..again I did NOT have any & I just started my new cycle w/ deca again today

something tells me you didn't cycle off.. you just jumped from one cycle to the next.

it takes 5-6 weeks to feel the crash. there is no way you waited 6 weeks and then felt nothing after with such a weak pct and not running ancilaries during cycle. i just don't believe it.
 
Looks like you have done some research, welcome to the boards!! As a newbie, I'm sure reading all the threads could be confusing. As for your post, you stated that cycle was a classic.. and it is for bulking.

The reason why people say to stay off deca as a first cycle choice is because it has many sides you need to watch for and be prepared for. Yes, all aas has sides, but some have more then others so most will say to stick to one compound for a first cycle to help you out so you can see what if any sides you get from that.

This way should you go on to another cycle you will know what to look for. You have taken the right step, and thats to come to the boards and research and build a foundation to learn on. I know of many people who find a dealer, buy and go on based on what their supplier says is G2G.

Looking at your diet, it looks like you understand how to eat thats a good start. the first three things that need to be solid are EATING/RESTING/TRAINING what does your training look like?

but going back to your initial question about the cycle, on cycle treatment could change depending on the compounds you plan on doing. Have you looked over threads having PCT protocols for the types of aas you are planning on taking? I'm sure thats where you're getting confused as some work best for certain compounds then others.

What have you read about estrogen? or rebounding, or keeping down bloating? If the only compounds you have are SUS/DECA/DBOL and that's what you are going to do the bro's here on the board will suggest you only take the sus and possible dbol because of the deca sides, I have done that cycle (deca/sus/dbol) and it was a great mass builder and my strength went up.

I did get sides fairly quickly but I also know others who took that and had no issues at all. Maybe the other bro's can help you plan your on cycle treatment based on their experience same with pct.

look into
N2GUARD
UNLEASHED
SUSTAINED ALPHA
HCGENERATE
PROV
ADEX

Look into all this and more, come up with an outline based on your over all research and I'm sure others will critique to help you get the best out of your first cycle...Your receptors are very open to AAS and you will grow, its just being able to handle the sides dealing with them and having the best protocol to keep what you put on.

Welcome to the boards
Fisty

Thanks A lot Fisty for all the input I will look into everything further and post an outline soon. As for Resting I sleep 8-9 hours and As for Training: I DID 2 DAY ON 1 DAY OFF

DAY ONE – CHEST, SHOULDERS & TRICEPS

(ALL 3 BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Incline Dumbbell Press
Flat-Bench Dumbbell Press
Decline Dumbbell Press

(ALL 3 BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Lateral Raise
Seated T-Lateral Raises
Standing Overhead Dumbell Press

(ALL 3 BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Lying Barbell Skull Crushers
Close Grip Presses
Bench Dips


DAY TWO – QUADRICEPS, HAMSTRINGS & CALVES

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Front Squat (Narrow Stance)
Front Squat (Wide Stance)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Back Squat (Narrow Stance)
Back Squat (Wide Stance)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 20-30 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Seated Calf Press
Standing Calf Press


DAY THREE OFF


DAY FOUR – BACk, BICEPS, & ABS

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Wide Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Narrow Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Reverse Grip)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Reverse Barbell Curl Wide-Grip
Barbell Curl Close-Grip
Barbell Curl

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 15-20 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Hanging Knee Raise
Weighted Knee Crunch


DAY FIVE – TRICEPS, SHOULDERS & CHEST

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Lying Barbell Skull Crushers
Close Grip Presses
Bench Dips

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Lateral Raise
Seated T-Lateral Raises
Standing Overhead Dumbell Press

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Incline Dumbbell Press
Flat-Bench Dumbbell Press
Decline Dumbbell Press


DAY SIX OFF


DAY SEVEN - CALvES, HAMSTRINGS & QUADRICEPS

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 20-30 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Seated Calf Press
Standing Calf Press

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Back Squat (Narrow Stance)
Back Squat (Wide Stance)

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Front Squat (Narrow Stance)
Front Squat (Wide Stance)


DAY EIGHT - ABS, BICEPS & BACk

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 15-20 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Hanging Knee Raise
Weighted Knee Crunch

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Reverse Barbell Curl Wide-Grip
Barbell Curl Close-Grip
Barbell Curl

(ALL EXERCISES BELOW DONE BACK 2 BACK AS SUPERSET 8-12 REPS EACH)
(SUPERSET REPEATED 4 TIMES WITH 2MIN BREAK IN-BETWEEN)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Wide Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Narrow Grip)
Bent-Over Barbell Row (Reverse Grip)

DAY NINE OFF

DAY TEN (REPEAT FROM DAY ONE ABOVE)
 
Ok as per the research I have done, how does this View attachment 88393 look:?


Will also be taking Fish Oil Morning and Night Every Day

Also 2 Table Spoons of Natural Peanut Butter b4 Bed.

Will Have Letrozole on hand, if needed.

Please feel free to critique this and give me any advice you have thanks.


While on should I take creatine ? The reason why I ask this is because it helps with strength and holding water and while i'm taking things to prevent that would it be ok to use? Or should I just leave it alone for now?

Also if anyone has used any supplements that worked very well for them that I should take in addition or substitue in for something, Please let me know.

Before I do anything I will get blood test done and then 6 weeks in and again after pct.
 
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Ok as per the research I have done, how does this View attachment 88393 look:?


Will also be taking Fish Oil Morning and Night Every Day

Also 2 Table Spoons of Natural Peanut Butter b4 Bed.

Will Have Letrozole on hand, if needed.

Please feel free to critique this and give me any advice you have thanks.


While on should I take creatine ? The reason why I ask this is because it helps with strength and holding water and while i'm taking things to prevent that would it be ok to use? Or should I just leave it alone for now?

Also if anyone has used any supplements that worked very well for them that I should take in addition or substitue in for something, Please let me know.

Before I do anything I will get blood test done and then 6 weeks in and again after pct.

Too young and too small to start messing with roids yet. At your height and weight you should easily be at least 185 and lean since youre so young. if your posted diet is the truth then you must have a metabolism faster than a humming bird on meth, since you arent holding any mass. My advice since you PM'd me, is to figure out your diet that allows you to put on mass, get to about 185 or so, then think about hitting the roids of just a testosterone cycle only.
 
Too young and too small to start messing with roids yet. At your height and weight you should easily be at least 185 and lean since youre so young. if your posted diet is the truth then you must have a metabolism faster than a humming bird on meth, since you arent holding any mass. My advice since you PM'd me, is to figure out your diet that allows you to put on mass, get to about 185 or so, then think about hitting the roids of just a testosterone cycle only.

Thanks for the input bro. Did you look over the cycle? Just for future reference, If I were to reach 190 normally at about 9% body fat would it be a good outline/cycle...?
 
2012PakM -

1. the diet and training look dialed in
2. the cycle def looks like you have done some research

my question is ---


you should NEVER take nolva with a 19-nor, which deca is... you are overloading a serious amount of prolactin doing this and it will lead to big problems... thats great that you didn't experience any sides but you are one of the few that fall into that category... most fall into the category of having a lot of sides with it so you need to be making that clear when you post, otherwise, someone who is new to steroids will think that may hold true for most and then end up hurting themselves... please be careful how you phrase things... i just put people's health and safety first...


1. If dylangemlli brought up Nolva is probably a bad idea because you will be overloading prolactin what is the reasoning for its use? do you feel those issues will be gone while in your PCT? (jus want to understand the thought behind this)

As dylangemlli stated and most would agree - safety first - with that said, you came here to get direction and be safe in your use.

If you are set on that as a cycle, I would look into tweaking the pct just a bit. but it looks like a good set up (others will use much higher doses, and might pin sus every2/3 days, but for a first timer the small amounts will work just fine)

It would be good to see what other bro's will say on that actual cycle outline
 
Thanks for the input bro. Did you look over the cycle? Just for future reference, If I were to reach 190 normally at about 9% body fat would it be a good outline/cycle...?

For future reference (if you can contain yourself) the typical ideal first cycle is test cyp or enanthate at 400mg/wk for 8-10 weeks, adex .25mg/ED, HCG 250iu/2x week throughout cycle
And proper PCT of course
 
2012PakM -

1. the diet and training look dialed in
2. the cycle def looks like you have done some research
most would agree - safety first - with that said, you came here to get direction and be safe in your use.

If you are set on that as a cycle, I would look into tweaking the pct just a bit. but it looks like a good set up (others will use much higher doses, and might pin sus every2/3 days, but for a first timer the small amounts will work just fine)

It would be good to see what other bro's will say on that actual cycle outline

Thank you so much for for your input.
I came to the boards initially to get help on PCT and on cycle help because I read so many things that conflicted.
I have done a great deal of research on this cycle and I'm just looking for good feedback and critiques as I know the sides/effects/what to watch for.
Lets say I take out the nolva is there something you suggest i replace it with?
 
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