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Names of UGLs that have been busted or closed shop in the last 2 months.
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matty420
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thats the thing, they really can't. it's not illegal to attempt to purchase drugs. but it is illegal to purchase fake drugs (thats why cops use those burn bags with fake coke and shit that we've all seen on cops during street stings). but i guess that if you have an e-mail that says you bought shit that would be like a reciept? i really don't know 100%camshaft said:
BodyMechanic
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i would think they know you got the pack and what was supposed to be in it according to the email, but they didn't actually see what was in it so they can't prove it was illegal. Anyway, that is what i am hoping.
matty420
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thats what its all about, they have to prove everything..and the only sure-fire proof is posession or admition. so if you weren't found in posession, no matter what the police say they can and will do to you, just never admit to a god damn thing, and you'll be safe. in my honest opinion, they will never ever be able to bust all of the buyers.. it's just not going to happen. hundreds of thousands of buyers? thats hundreds of thousands of court documents, thats hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on manpower to process all of this shit, thats hundreds of thousands of court dates.. see where im going with this? most of us have read the article where the police said "we aren't sure how we are going to bust all of the buyers..." . of course thats what they are going to say. , if they were to say "we're not going to bust the buyers" no one here would be this paranoid, no one would give a fuck. because we would all be in the clear..oh which by the way...we are!!camshaft said:
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BodyMechanic
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1tight_tl said:
I know who this is, i haven't talked to him in a couple years until a couple of days ago and i had a funny feeling about him. Someone else told me he was busted a couple months ago and he was rolling on some people. This is the first i see it printed in a paper though.
muffinmaker
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R u serious? Its called a conspiracy charge.You really should give out advice if you dont know what ur talking about.matty420 said:
muffinmaker
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By your IP, shipping addy, payment sent. They can link everything 2gether.camshaft said:
mills_2007
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What exactly does your IP show?
digimon7068
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sincere81oo0 said:
of course there is. . .i have quite a few LE friends. . .most of them are muscleheads. . .and most of them bench a hell of a lot more than i do. . .you do the math. . .
muffinmaker
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You guys really need to relax, theres a few of u here who think your high and almighty just cause you post all day/everyday, that doesnt make you a vaet, and that doesnt make what you say knowlegeable, this guy is a good bro, I recognize his handle from another board.DJ_UFO said:You joined on Oct 2004 and this is your first post?
LOL.....
redchocolate692003
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HAYEZ said:
i see his name posted as busted but havent seen anything proving it either
justinjones1963
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Update: I am sure some of you know that lab companies are also getting hit. IMost already know about researchlabsupply going down.
Universalkits got nailed too:
http://www.projo.com/pdf/2007/09/20070924_steroidcomplaint.pdf
I would also be very careful with ancillary sites- even the big ones that use remailers. I'll post more when I get updated info and confirmations.
Universalkits got nailed too:
http://www.projo.com/pdf/2007/09/20070924_steroidcomplaint.pdf
I would also be very careful with ancillary sites- even the big ones that use remailers. I'll post more when I get updated info and confirmations.
digimon7068
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justinjones1963 said:
wtf?? where the hell am i supposed to get my damn boner drugs??!! i think my wife is getting kind of used to me being able to fuck like a pornstar. . .this fuggin' suggs!!!!
justinjones1963
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digimon7068 said:
The big thing is a lot of people use fake names and other bogus info when ordering A.A.S. so tracking end users will be difficult but these same people went out and used their credit cards with real info for the ancillaries and kits. That stuff leaves a trail like a drunk, bleeding person walking in three feet of snow. Stuff may just start getting real interesting. Especially for people who made multiple orders. That will open some eyes when the feds start digging through the data.
enacer420nj
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justinjones1963 said:
wow I just read that PDF...he didnt pay taxes on 250k proceeds? wow this shits getting deep...now having to worry about ancillary companies....better get some rats and a lab coat lol...anyone know if GPZ is ok and could you see them going after end uers?
digimon7068
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enacer420nj said:
that's the kind of stuff that will make people go down HARD. . .tax evasion + money laundering = racketeering which = big sentences and trebled fines/damages
holy ghost
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gpz is fine i did an order 2 days ago and just received
justinjones1963
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sparetire said:
Yes. Pretty easily too. Mail servers like them also track your IP address etc. I know in some of these cases now pending the feds have E-mail records going back years. LEO has been tracking some of these labs and companies for years, since 2005, as the news reports. That is a lot of data.
justinjones1963
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Mr. dB said:
I haven't heard anything about Lemelange being busted. It would not surprise me a bit if LE did talk to them (and a host of other sites). I'll keep an eye out.
The critical issue is that people need to be aware of what is going on.
Since there is a close and delete policy with all of the other threads, I would recommend this one gets turned into a sticky. The more we all know the better.
holy ghost
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/members/gymace.html[/url]
JohnChicago
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do not assume anything.
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JohnChicago
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Don't know if remailers were busted but in the case of Ret if you go to his site you will see that he has takin' down his price list - also not answering e-mails.
jmead said:
Just another UG Lab that probably has half the label claim if you lucky and a pretty easy paper trail to follow Im sure.
Just dont be the guinea pig is my advice.
And these claims from peeps being in communication with said source. Well, I would look out for that.
Remember when certain "respected" members on here were claiming to be in touch with a source who was on the run from Interpool? What a joke that was. Turned out the source went scammer.
Id mention names, but I just get called a hater and too let it go.
So much for the "community"
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borris
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Pbl???
People talk about all the UG labs that got taken out, but between the China thing this summer and this business from last week, the pipeline for GH out of Asia is gone. That's gonna affect far more than the ankle biters on the boards trying to save a few bucks on cheap gear, that's gonna hurt the advanced, elite, and pro guys too.
jeb0177
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oh well, serveral ug labs got busted and several will come back that's for sure. is like the war against cocaine,meth,mariguana etc etc.. there's always tons and tons crossing across the borders every day... that's the same thing for us the bb community. the prices will go up for sure...
even when I used to get my prescription with my "men's clinic" I called and they told me that they are not prescribing any hormones at this time, and I'm doing it legally because of my test levels are always low and I pay from my own POCKET for the blood work..!!! my insurance won't pay... so what's up?? LE is also looking into those anti aging clinics too??? of course they are !!!
china got their "bowl" from LE for helping them that's for sure... hey bros and guess what??? the olimpic games are going to china!!!!!!! their economy is going up!!! hehehe! MFKERS!
even when I used to get my prescription with my "men's clinic" I called and they told me that they are not prescribing any hormones at this time, and I'm doing it legally because of my test levels are always low and I pay from my own POCKET for the blood work..!!! my insurance won't pay... so what's up?? LE is also looking into those anti aging clinics too??? of course they are !!!
china got their "bowl" from LE for helping them that's for sure... hey bros and guess what??? the olimpic games are going to china!!!!!!! their economy is going up!!! hehehe! MFKERS!
sincere81oo0
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holy ghost said:
i dont think they will fuck with you for ordering pins anyway... i think they would morely target guys buying bulk sterile vials IMO
st8grad
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They don't have to prove everything. They need enough to charge you. And then they need enough persuasion to get a judge or jury to believe it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Mainly they want to charge you with a shit load of stuff and hope that you plea guilty to a lesser offense.
But you are correct never admit anything. As a matter of fact don't even say a single word to the police. Don't say a single word to anybody. You get a lawyer and he tells you when to talk.
Mainly they want to charge you with a shit load of stuff and hope that you plea guilty to a lesser offense.
But you are correct never admit anything. As a matter of fact don't even say a single word to the police. Don't say a single word to anybody. You get a lawyer and he tells you when to talk.
matty420 said:thats what its all about, they have to prove everything..and the only sure-fire proof is posession or admition. so if you weren't found in posession, no matter what the police say they can and will do to you, just never admit to a god damn thing, and you'll be safe. in my honest opinion, they will never ever be able to bust all of the buyers.. it's just not going to happen. hundreds of thousands of buyers? thats hundreds of thousands of court documents, thats hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on manpower to process all of this shit, thats hundreds of thousands of court dates.. see where im going with this? most of us have read the article where the police said "we aren't sure how we are going to bust all of the buyers..." . of course thats what they are going to say. , if they were to say "we're not going to bust the buyers" no one here would be this paranoid, no one would give a fuck. because we would all be in the clear..oh which by the way...we are!!
muffinmaker
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Its called CONSPIRACY, look it upmatty420 said:thats what its all about, they have to prove everything..and the only sure-fire proof is posession or admition. so if you weren't found in posession, no matter what the police say they can and will do to you, just never admit to a god damn thing, and you'll be safe. in my honest opinion, they will never ever be able to bust all of the buyers.. it's just not going to happen. hundreds of thousands of buyers? thats hundreds of thousands of court documents, thats hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on manpower to process all of this shit, thats hundreds of thousands of court dates.. see where im going with this? most of us have read the article where the police said "we aren't sure how we are going to bust all of the buyers..." . of course thats what they are going to say. , if they were to say "we're not going to bust the buyers" no one here would be this paranoid, no one would give a fuck. because we would all be in the clear..oh which by the way...we are!!
sincere81oo0
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muffinmaker said:
bro half my family is lawyers, you have no idea how much evidence it would take for the to get a court order to haul someone in on conspiracy so please stop scaring people for no reason thanks!
muffinmaker
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Well they obviously got the brains in ur family and not you, its not hard at all to get a conspiracy charge, so stop talking out ur ass as usual!sincere81oo0 said:
bro half my family is lawyers, you have no idea how much evidence it would take for the to get a court order to haul someone in on conspiracy so please stop scaring people for no reason thanks!
sincere81oo0
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muffinmaker said:
ok guy instead of calling people out with no back prove your case.... show me evidence where it is soooooo easy for them to haul someone in on conspiracy???? you should know guy your LE!! must be a shitty cop man. LE uses a retarded charge like that to scare a confession or info out of a suspect hardly sticks without massive prrof buddy.... watc a jury trial convict someone of conspiracy with shit for evidence..... oh wait you cant! because they wont!! idiot
muffinmaker
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[edit] Conspiracy in the United Statessincere81oo0 said:
Conspiracy has been defined in the US as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions. For example, planning to rob a bank (an illegal act) in order to raise money for charity (a legal end) remains a criminal conspiracy because the parties agreed to use illegal means to accomplish the end goal. A conspiracy does not need to have been planned in secret in order to meet the definition of the crime. One legal dictionary, law.com, provides this useful example on the application of conspiracy law to an everyday sales transaction tainted by corruption. It shows how the law can handle both the criminal and the civil need for justice.
[A] scheme by a group of salesmen to sell used automobiles as new, could be prosecuted as a crime of fraud and conspiracy, and also allow a purchaser of an auto to sue for damages [in civil court] for the fraud and conspiracy.
Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of the specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person in order to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law only requires the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act. This is sometimes described as a "general intent" to violate the law.
In United States v. Shabani, 513 U.S. 10 (1994) the United States Supreme Court ruled: U.S. Congress intended to adopt the common law definition of conspiracy, which does not make the doing of any act other than the act of conspiring a condition of liability" at least in so far as to establish a violation of a narcotics conspiracy under 21 U.S.C. § 846. Therefore, the Government need not prove the commission of any overt acts in furtherance of those narcotics conspiracies prohibited by 21 U.S.C. § 846. The Shabani case illustrates that it is a matter of legislative prerogative whether to require an overt step, or not to require an overt step in any conspiracy statute. The court compares the need to prove an overt step to be criminally liable under the conspiracy provision of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970, while there is no such requirement under 21 U.S.C. § 846.
The Supreme Court pointed out that common law did not require proof of an overt step, and the need to prove it for a federal conspiracy conviction requires Congress to specifically require proof of an overt step to accomplish the conspiracy. It is a legislative choice on a statute by statute basis.
California criminal law is somewhat representative of other jurisdictions. A punishable conspiracy exists when at least two people form an agreement to commit a crime, and at least one of them does some act in furtherance to committing the crime. Each person is punishable in the same manner and to the same extent as is provided for the punishment of the crime itself. [2]
One example of this is The Han Twins Murder Conspiracy case, where one twin sister attempted to hire two youths to have her twin sister killed.
One important feature of a conspiracy charge is that it relieves prosecutors of the need to prove the particular roles of conspirators. If two persons plot to kill another (and this can be proven), and the victim is indeed killed as a result of the actions of either conspirator, it is not necessary to prove with specificity which of the conspirators actually pulled the trigger. (Otherwise, both conspirators could conceivably handle the gun—leaving two sets of fingerprints—and then demand acquittals for both, based on the fact that the prosecutor would be unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which of the two conspirators was the triggerman). In order to achieve a conviction on charges of conspiracy, is sufficient to prove that a) the conspirators did indeed conspire to commit the crime, and b) the crime was committed by an individual involved in the conspiracy. Proof of which individual it was is usually not necessary.
It is also an option for prosecutors, when bringing conspiracy charges, to decline to indict all members of the conspiracy (though their existence may be mentioned in an indictment). Such unindicted co-conspirators are commonly found when the identities or whereabouts of members of a conspiracy are unknown; or when the prosecution is only concerned with a particular individual among the conspirators. This is common when the target of the indictment is an elected official or an organized crime leader; and the co-conspirators are persons of little or no public importance. More famously, President Richard Nixon was named as an unindicted co-conspirator by the Watergate special prosecutor, in an event leading up to his eventual resignation.
sincere81oo0
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muffinmaker said:
and cut, copy and pasting this definition proves what guy????? wheres your case???
sincere81oo0
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st8grad said:
thats where alot went wrong IMO. people were too public about sources and brands. when you throw it in there face what do you expect them to do?? they will act.....
muffinmaker
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You said I have no idea how much evidence it takes to haul somneone in on conspiracy charges, as you can see, its not very hard to prove.sincere81oo0 said:
sincere81oo0
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muffinmaker said:
not at all, you still didnt prove your side guy! back to the drawing board for you!! ill be waiting for this substancial evidence. let me know when you get it COP
sincere81oo0
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matty420 said:
has christmas come early this year??? hahahaha
whats up matty?
sincere81oo0
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matty420 said:
good to hear
wasnt worried though lol
bro how do i fit a pic into my avatar?
matty420
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you have to find a really small pic, i think with 500 posts, it can be under 100x100 pixels..once you have the pic, save it to your computer, go into profile, then to edit avatar, and upload it. it's really a pain in the ass finding something if you aren't plat.. alot of trial and error until you find something that works.. is that what u were asking?sincere81oo0 said:good to hear
wasnt worried though lol
bro how do i fit a pic into my avatar?
lol about the red karma... i had to lend all of my karma to one of our bookies here (i won't mention any names)who lost his ass in the bookie forum this weekend, i'll have it back shortly.. or i'm breaking his kneecaps
sincere81oo0
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matty420 said:
lmao, no worries i atleast got you back in the green lol.... i know who your refering to.. lmao... seems like someone NEEDSTO lay off the gambling hahaha. j/k bro
Pat_McCrotch
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muffinmaker said:
Sounds like to me and I am no law dog but after the agreement is made to commit a crime there has to be an overt step to call it conspiracy, ie.. contacting the source for a price list, he sends it to you. this would be the conspiracy then the buyer taking the overt step of " how do I pay you?"
Powerbuilder333
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I had a feeling muffinmaker was correct.samoth said:Yep, if there is an agreement to rob a bank, the mere act of buying a ski mask would technically be considered conspiracy. Or at least that was one example given in the BAR review book I have, lol.
metalgodz1
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just got e-mail from Ibe,filling remaing orders,closing shop, under pressure from gear grinder, they say a misunderstanding on le part?
sincere81oo0
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Powerbuilder333 said:
actually that means he was wrong.... that overt step is the proof, the "agreement" to commit the crime in writing by both parties is alot of evidence. therefore i was correct and his definition did nothing but prove my point so thanks bro
I talked with South Beach Rejuvination Clinic yesterday and the 3 pharmacy's they use are having problems getting raw materials currently. They can get brand name stuff but its big money$$$$ And this is a legit operation so I cant imagine UG's getting things much easier.
Triple J
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galaxy said:
that is a loophole they have been trying to close for a while with the compunding pharmacies. in the past they have been able to compound your drugs oftentimes much cheaper than you could get it from your regular pharmacy. big pharma has been trying to get regulations in place that would cut off the suppliers to the compounders, or force them to use big pharma as source. so that way the compounded materials will not be cheaper than the regular Rx.
MichaelScott
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and delete all the unnecessary horseshit in here
sincere81oo0 said:actually that means he was wrong.... that overt step is the proof, the "agreement" to commit the crime in writing by both parties is alot of evidence. therefore i was correct and his definition did nothing but prove my point so thanks bro
Um, no. Muffinwhatever was correct. His example merely showed conspiracy to commit a crime by two separate parties (each would be a different charge of conspiracy to a different party).
muffinmaker
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Wow Sincere was wrong again!samoth said:Um, no. Muffinwhatever was correct. His example merely showed conspiracy to commit a crime by two separate parties (each would be a different charge of conspiracy to a different party).
s8nlilhlpr2
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Repost from another site.
PBL lab has been busted.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75281
PBL lab has been busted.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75281
holy ghost
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aap is the the all time longest thread for such a short period of time???
and you probably deleted 100 pages lol
dang!
and you probably deleted 100 pages lol
dang!
holy ghost
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http://www.miami-criminal-lawyer.net/html/drugs-sentencing-guideline
Federal Sentencing Guidelines for Drug offenses Link
great info !!!
Federal Sentencing Guidelines for Drug offenses Link
great info !!!
bigdofba
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I read on another board that 120 UG labs were busted. That seems pretty high. I'm not sure how accurate that info is. Just something to think about.
This link says 150.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75281
This link says 150.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75281
Pat_McCrotch
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MichaelScott
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well thats no good at alls8nlilhlpr2 said:
Breaking Genetics
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hstern said:
Anyone seen or heard anything about SWISHER yet?
holy ghost
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way fuckin scary
Pat_McCrotch
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Damn i guess hush isnt what we all thought it was.
sharpiemarkers
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any new articles in the last few days? i think the most recently dated article i saw was oct. 1.
i ordered from gpz a week and a half ago and have not received anything yet
i ordered from gpz a week and a half ago and have not received anything yet
enacer420nj
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mookie said:
Look like they have all his hush emails/orders as well as IP addys...some fucked up shit....Whats strange is his employment is listed as working for abercrombie and a furniture store but he bought a house that was $420k
