My testosterone levels

[Tatyana]

My friend is learning phebotomy in the lab, so I volunteered to let her practice on me (I don't mind needles or giving blood).

As I was having bloods drawn, I wrote up a form for myself and had a few things checked out (see the full story for another BBer anomality in my comp prep thread in the women's section http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...tition-preparation-581460-16.html#post8253752)

Anyway, some of my results:

Cholesterol 4.4 mmol/L or 170 mg/dL

HDL 1.95 mmol/L or 75 mg/dL

Chol/HDL ratio 2.3

This is awesome, and I wasn't fasting.

Testosterone 0.8 nmol/L or 29 ng/dL or 231 pg/mL



So chaps, I also did this to let you know that units matter, so next time you are posting your results and want help interpreting them, please include the units.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

cool numbers, but you couldnt pay me enough (within reason) to do phlebotomy, too many risks of accidental sticks.

 

[Mavafanculo]

with an HDL of 75, you may actually be immortal

 

[Tatyana]

cool numbers, but you couldnt pay me enough (within reason) to do phlebotomy, too many risks of accidental sticks.

With all the needle stick injuries that do happen every year (I think we have 250 a year or month in my hospital, it is high), there has only ever been one known case of HIV transmission.

That's in the Western World, not just where I work.

Seriously, it is not that easy to catch.

All health care workers are immunised for hep B, so while there are a few other viruses, it isn't that bad.

 

[Tatyana]

with an HDL of 75, you may actually be immortal

All my results were great, except for creatine, urea and eGFR (estimated glomerular filtration rate), but those were odd because of a high protein diet and muscle mass.

Maybe creatine supplementation as well.



I am as pure as the driven snow, I think I need a bad habit.

 

[Mavafanculo]

All my results were great, except for creatine, urea and eGFR (estimated glomerular filtration rate), but those were odd because of a high protein diet and muscle mass.

Maybe creatine supplementation as well.



I am as pure as the driven snow, I think I need a bad habit.

I'll send you a list of mine, maybe you'll like one lol

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

With all the needle stick injuries that do happen every year (I think we have 250 a year or month in my hospital, it is high), there has only ever been one known case of HIV transmission.

That's in the Western World, not just where I work.

Seriously, it is not that easy to catch.

All health care workers are immunised for hep B, so while there are a few other viruses, it isn't that bad.

Where I used to work I'd handle hep, HIV or MRSA patients regularly... not fun at all, and I'm not a CNA or anything. No nosocomial infections for me.

 

[Spartacus]

drink alcohol heavy as I do
and score near high and/or over max
as I've done 4 times
after age 39
I think my body pumps test to equalize the estrogen
but I eat right and supplement to drain the estrogen
I'll eat a raw head of cauliflower while drinking miller lite

 

[Spartacus]

natural too
last check I was age 44
normal test was like 2-9
I was 8.8
free test was mid range
so I'm using unleashed and supplementing the top ingredients in the formula

 

[Spartacus]

I think you young guys are being misled
and are ruining your HPTA at young ages with this crap

 

[Spartacus]

I think you young guys are being misled
and are ruining your HPTA at young ages with this crap

come,come argue with me mava
oh great knowledgeable teenage yoda

do you realize what you recommend to these kids?

 

[Spartacus]

passing this theory off as science
just one of you go through med school
and come back here

 

[Spartacus]

With all the needle stick injuries that do happen every year (I think we have 250 a year or month in my hospital, it is high), there has only ever been one known case of HIV transmission.

That's in the Western World, not just where I work.

Seriously, it is not that easy to catch.

All health care workers are immunised for hep B, so while there are a few other viruses, it isn't that bad.

I dive in with the dead bodies
drink a diet coke while I'm at it
watch fox news as I replace their entrails
the chemical exposure sucks when embalming an autopsied case
and I'm the best

 

[Spartacus]

come,come
digger,needto et.al.
and debate with me about the emphasis of this board

you kids should not listen to this crap
learn to lift and eat right
I'm telling you

 

[jassdhali]

My friend is learning phebotomy in the lab, so I volunteered to let her practice on me (I don't mind needles or giving blood).

As I was having bloods drawn, I wrote up a form for myself and had a few things checked out (see the full story for another BBer anomality in my comp prep thread in the women's section http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...tition-preparation-581460-16.html#post8253752)

Anyway, some of my results:

Cholesterol 4.4 mmol/L or 170 mg/dL

HDL 1.95 mmol/L or 75 mg/dL

Chol/HDL ratio 2.3

This is awesome, and I wasn't fasting.

Testosterone 0.8 nmol/L or 29 ng/dL or 231 pg/mL



So chaps, I also did this to let you know that units matter, so next time you are posting your results and want help interpreting them, please include the units.

I've just been prescribed sustanon from my doc - but have to see him to try and find out what my levels actually are, any guideline Tatyana..?

 

[Tatyana]

natural too
last check I was age 44
normal test was like 2-9
I was 8.8
free test was mid range
so I'm using unleashed and supplementing the top ingredients in the formula

LOLOLOL, are you drinking now Mr. Spartacus?

Unusual test levels, unless that is free, we need UNITS.

MORE units (not of alcohol) I tell ya used on this board.

 

[Tatyana]

I've just been prescribed sustanon from my doc - but have to see him to try and find out what my levels actually are, any guideline Tatyana..?

I am not following you.

Do you mean the reference ranges?

They will vary from lab to lab and if you saw my test, the units that are listed after the test are VERY important as it could make a normal or high test look very low if someone is used to a different set of units.

 

[Tatyana]

Where I used to work I'd handle hep, HIV or MRSA patients regularly... not fun at all, and I'm not a CNA or anything. No nosocomial infections for me.

You said nosocomial, that one just rolls off the tongue.



Really, it was only the Hep patients that are highly infectious.

Were you immunised against Hep B?

I think everyone should be really.

I take any immunistation they have going, including flu shots every winter.

What did you do BTW if you don't mind saying?

 

[Nelson Montana]

All my results were great, except for creatine, urea and eGFR (estimated glomerular filtration rate), but those were odd because of a high protein diet and muscle mass.


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EXCELLENT NUMBERS TAT! NO SURPRISING. I BELIEVE EXERCISE IS THE BIGGEST FACTOR IN KEEPING HDL HEALTHY. AND YES, I GNORE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED UREA LEVELS DUE TO ALL THE PROTEIN AND THE FACT THAT I NEVER REALLY FAST PRIOR TO TESTING. I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL THAT NECESSARY IF YOU NOW HOW TO READ RESULTS.

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Maybe creatine supplementation as well.

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YEP, BUT THAT'S A LEGIT CONCERN. TOO MUCH CREATINE CAN DEGRADE TO CREATININE. SOME INFO HERE ABOUT HOW THE CREATINE IN BIG BLAST DOESN;T CONVERT TO CREATININE. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=145&cat=0&page=1


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I am as pure as the driven snow,

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UMM...OKEEDOKKEE



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I think I need a bad habit.


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[Spartacus]

LOLOLOL, are you drinking now Mr. Spartacus?

Unusual test levels, unless that is free, we need UNITS.

MORE units (not of alcohol) I tell ya used on this board.

I know the values and can read and interpret most of it myself
I ask them for my own copies
they put that shit in your file and husband it like you're a dolt and
well...

 

[Spartacus]

I also disagree with the pound the calories philosophy so you can get bigger
calorie restriction is the method for living a longer healthier life

 

[ready your god for blood]

I also disagree with the pound the calories philosophy so you can get bigger
calorie restriction is the method for living a longer healthier life

I am not clear what you are saying here, you disagreee with the studies that show a restricted caloric intake = a longer lifespan?

 

[Tatyana]

passing this theory off as science
just one of you go through med school
and come back here

It is pretty clear what the long term use of steroids in women are:

From the March 2008 British National Formulary (this is the book of drugs that can be prescribed in the UK)

HRT increases the risk of thromboembolism, of stroke, and after some years, the risk of endometrial cancer (reduced by a progestogen) and of breast cancer. It is advised that the minimum effective dose should be used for the shortest duration.

Risk of breast cancer - ALL types of HRT increases the risk of breast cancer within 1-2 years of initiating treatment. The increased risk is related to the duration of HRT use (but not the age at which HRT is started) and this excess risk disappears within about 5 years of stopping.

10 in every 1000 women aged 50-59 not using HRT have breast cancer diagnosed over 5 years. In those using oestrogen only HRT for 5 years, breast cancer is diagnosed in about 2 extra cases in 1000 (about 6 extra cases over 10 years).

In those using combined HRT for 5 years, breast cancer is diagnosed in about 6 extra cases (about an extra 24 cases over 10 years).

Risk of endometrial cancer - increased risk of endmetrial cancer depends on the dose and duration of oestrogen-only HRT.

2 in every 1000 women aged 50-59 not using HRT have endometrial cancer diagnosed over 5 years. In those using oestrogen only HRT about 4 extra cases are diagnosed.

Risk of ovarian cancer - 2 in every 1000 women aged 50-59 years not using HRT have ovarian cancer diagnosed over 5 years. This figure rises by less than 1 extra case in 1000 in those using oestrogen only HRT.

Risk of venous thromboembolism - women on combined or oestrogen-only HRT are at an increased risk of deep vein thrombosis and of pulmonary embolism especially in the first year. This is about 2 extra cases in 1000 women over 5 years.

These women are typically taking 0.5-1 mg of oestrogen/day.

I could list more of the stats for slightly older women and combined therapy, but it is a lot of typing.

This is what is listed as the side effects for men on HRT

Prostate abnormalities and prostate cancer, headache, depression, gastro-intestinal bleeding, nausea, vomiting, cholestatic jandice, changes in libido, gynaemcomastia, polychythaeamia, anxiety, irritability, nervousness, astehrnia, paraesthesia, hypertension, electrolyte imbalance including sodium retention with oedema and hypercalcaemia, weight gain, increased bone growth, muscle cramps, arthralgia, androgenic effects such as hirsuitism, male-pattern baldness, seborrhoea, acne, pruritis, excessive frequency and duration of penile erection, precosious sexual development and premature closure of the epiphysis in pre-pubertal males, suppression of spermatogenesis in men and virulisation in women; rarely
liver tumours, sleep apnoea also reported; with patches, buccal tablets and gel local irritation and allergic reactions (including burn-like lesions with patches) and taste disturbances.

Doses

Oral
120-160 mg daily for 2-3 weeks, maintainance 40-120 mg daily

Intramuscular
250 mg every 2-3 weeks, maintainance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

This is the medical use of sex steroids for clinical conditions.

Know the risks, and what you are willing to live, risk or not risk.

It's your body, you only get one, take care of it.

 

[Mavafanculo]

.....
do you realize what you recommend to these kids?

dude, dont you like us anymore?

If you notice, we implemented a rule against giving or requesting cycle advice to/by under 21's . and go to great lengths to discourage use by under 25's even, making sure to emphasize proper training, nutrition and supplementation, and building a natural base. Then the discussion moves to safe use.

and re calorie restriction and association with longevity, absolutely -- but short term mass gain requires massive amounts of calories. So everyone is free to pick their life uniform: skinny for a long time, or jacked for a slightly shorter time.

that said, its getting real tired you constantly attacking the board and what we do. I'd think hard about reining that in. If you really hate it so much, you shouldnt be here.

 

[Tatyana]

I also disagree with the pound the calories philosophy so you can get bigger
calorie restriction is the method for living a longer healthier life

I am not sure if you mean reducing calories for longevity, or just eating at maintainance.

I know that I put on far more lean tissue when I am less than 20% bodyfat, which is quite lean for a woman.

One of my biochemistry professors discussed the longevity experiments, and I have read a bit about them as well.

It was a study in lab rats. They extended their life by reducing their calories by 50-60%. That is in rats though, there is something about their body size and the need to generate quite a bit of body heat or die of exposure as well that is related to this.

Even if it applied to humans, would you want to live your life that close to starvation at all times?

Anyway, unless science figures out how to extend/stop telomere shortening, all of this discussion for longevity is mute.

Cells will undergo apoptosis after they divide about, erm I think it is 72, telomere shortening, programmed cell death.

 

[RottenWillow]

My friend is learning phebotomy in the lab, so I volunteered to let her practice on me (I don't mind needles or giving blood).

As I was having bloods drawn, I wrote up a form for myself and had a few things checked out (see the full story for another BBer anomality in my comp prep thread in the women's section http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...tition-preparation-581460-16.html#post8253752)

Anyway, some of my results:

Cholesterol 4.4 mmol/L or 170 mg/dL

HDL 1.95 mmol/L or 75 mg/dL

Chol/HDL ratio 2.3

This is awesome, and I wasn't fasting.

Testosterone 0.8 nmol/L or 29 ng/dL or 231 pg/mL



So chaps, I also did this to let you know that units matter, so next time you are posting your results and want help interpreting them, please include the units.

IIRC 29 ng/dl is right on for a woman. Sounds like your level is in great shape. (actually slightly on the high side)

And you're absolutely correct about the measurement method. I almost never see anyone notate the method, but rather just the number.

 

[needtogetaas]

come,come argue with me mava
oh great knowledgeable teenage yoda

do you realize what you recommend to these kids?

3 days off. This is aas not chat. Do not even think of coming to this forum to start trouble.

 

[Tatyana]

come,come argue with me mava
oh great knowledgeable teenage yoda

do you realize what you recommend to these kids?

I recommend they learn how to train and diet properly and hold off on the gear until they are at least 25.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Calorie restriction does not make for a longer life. Being fat is unhealthy and will most likely shorten life. Don't read too much into it.

 

[Mavafanculo]

re calorie restriction - studys have shown up to a 40% increase in lifespan in calorie restricted rats.

here's a study seeking to guage applicability in humans, which found that at least a few "biomarkers of longevity" were positively affected in non-obese individuals

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http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten...in&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT


Effect of 6-Month Calorie Restriction on Biomarkers of Longevity, Metabolic Adaptation, and Oxidative Stress in Overweight (my note: non-obese) Individuals
A Randomized Controlled Trial
Leonie K. Heilbronn, PhD; Lilian de Jonge, PhD; Madlyn I. Frisard, PhD; James P. DeLany, PhD; D. Enette Larson-Meyer, PhD; Jennifer Rood, PhD; Tuong Nguyen, BSE; Corby K. Martin, PhD; Julia Volaufova, PhD; Marlene M. Most, PhD; Frank L. Greenway, PhD; Steven R. Smith, MD; Walter A. Deutsch, PhD; Donald A. Williamson, PhD; Eric Ravussin, PhD; for the Pennington CALERIE Team


JAMA. 2006;295:1539-1548.

Context Prolonged calorie restriction increases life span in rodents. Whether prolonged calorie restriction affects biomarkers of longevity or markers of oxidative stress, or reduces metabolic rate beyond that expected from reduced metabolic mass, has not been investigated in humans.

Objective To examine the effects of 6 months of calorie restriction, with or without exercise, in overweight, nonobese (body mass index, 25 to <30) men and women.

Design, Setting, and Participants Randomized controlled trial of healthy, sedentary men and women (N = 48) conducted between March 2002 and August 2004 at a research center in Baton Rouge, La.

Intervention Participants were randomized to 1 of 4 groups for 6 months: control (weight maintenance diet); calorie restriction (25% calorie restriction of baseline energy requirements); calorie restriction with exercise (12.5% calorie restriction plus 12.5% increase in energy expenditure by structured exercise); very low-calorie diet (890 kcal/d until 15% weight reduction, followed by a weight maintenance diet).

Main Outcome Measures Body composition; dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), glucose, and insulin levels; protein carbonyls; DNA damage; 24-hour energy expenditure; and core body temperature.

Results Mean (SEM) weight change at 6 months in the 4 groups was as follows: controls, –1.0% (1.1%); calorie restriction, –10.4% (0.9%); calorie restriction with exercise, –10.0% (0.8%); and very low-calorie diet, –13.9% (0.7%). At 6 months, fasting insulin levels were significantly reduced from baseline in the intervention groups (all P<.01), whereas DHEAS and glucose levels were unchanged. Core body temperature was reduced in the calorie restriction and calorie restriction with exercise groups (both P<.05). After adjustment for changes in body composition, sedentary 24-hour energy expenditure was unchanged in controls, but decreased in the calorie restriction (–135 kcal/d [42 kcal/d]), calorie restriction with exercise (–117 kcal/d [52 kcal/d]), and very low-calorie diet (–125 kcal/d [35 kcal/d]) groups (all P<.008). These "metabolic adaptations" (~ 6% more than expected based on loss of metabolic mass) were statistically different from controls (P<.05). Protein carbonyl concentrations were not changed from baseline to month 6 in any group, whereas DNA damage was also reduced from baseline in all intervention groups (P <.005).

Conclusions Our findings suggest that 2 biomarkers of longevity (fasting insulin level and body temperature) are decreased by prolonged calorie restriction in humans and support the theory that metabolic rate is reduced beyond the level expected from reduced metabolic body mass. Studies of longer duration are required to determine if calorie restriction attenuates the aging process in humans
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some more interesting links

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070502143834.htm


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070305202936.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070402102012.htm

 

[access]

Very interesting Mav..

 

[JLowe02]

longevity is a complicated issue, especially in humans. generally, i would advise one to eat healthy and exercise and have the cards fall as they may. And i would do these things to improve quality of life, not to increase my lifespan. quality always greater than quanity in this area, because we all will die someday, and will be just as dead for just as long as anyone else, regardless of who dies first.

 

[layinback]

i'm not so much interested in longevity if it means sacrificing quality.

i mean, who wants to live an extra 15 years, wearing depends?

i'd rather leave a good looking corpse.

 

[Jon79]

i'm not so much interested in longevity if it means sacrificing quality.

i mean, who wants to live an extra 15 years, wearing depends?

i'd rather leave a good looking corpse.

lol no shit.....

im about to just juice my mind out so wimmins are forced to like me...


i live to 45 im good....

 

[layinback]

lol no shit.....

im about to just juice my mind out so wimmins are forced to like me...


i live to 45 im good....

i'm amazed i've made it this far.

 

[Tatyana]

lol no shit.....

im about to just juice my mind out so wimmins are forced to like me...


i live to 45 im good....

LOLOLOL, you might feel differently at 45 hun.

Working in hospital I am around dead and dying people all the time, or people that are meant to die and don't or people that should live and don't.

Everyone thinks that death comes quickly, if you are lucky it does, but a lot of the time people are in hospital or a hospice for a LONG time.

I am thinking it is more about use it or lose it, both brain and body, but you also have to have some respect for your body, you do want it to last, and that the quality of your life is not significantly impacted.

Speaking of the quality of your life being impacted:

Intervention Participants were randomized to 1 of 4 groups for 6 months: control (weight maintenance diet);

calorie restriction (25% calorie restriction of baseline energy requirements);

calorie restriction with exercise (12.5% calorie restriction plus 12.5% increase in energy expenditure by structured exercise);

very low-calorie diet (890 kcal/d until 15% weight reduction, followed by a weight maintenance diet).

LOL, who would want to live that long if you can't have a bloody bagel or a Belgium chocolate (cause that very low calorie diet is more or less a bloody bagel for the day)


Hmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if my consultant would go for a fasted insulin measurement on me, I would need to get that one approved to have it done.

 

[access]

lol no shit.....

im about to just juice my mind out so wimmins are forced to like me...


i live to 45 im good....

Tell me that again when your 44...LOL.