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My PCTS I get asked for all the time =-)
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lookinfit75
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Not to question your knowledge Omega but last I remember, Dermacrine was supressive in and of itself and should be cycled. Some have used it as a kick start for there cycle or as a stand-alone. I thought the appropriate PP product for PCT was Alpha Sustain (along with the TOCO and Cortisol blocker PP has) which I am totally in love with for PCT and a long night of foolin' around with the Misses.
lookinfit75
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No worries Omega it was an honest mistake 
jdynasty
New member
so said another good bro!
Lookis good to me!
OMega what about this
clomid 25mg/day
nolva 10mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
PP's Test recovery stack
For a test/dbol/tren PH cycle
clomid 25mg/day
nolva 10mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
PP's Test recovery stack
For a test/dbol/tren PH cycle
look good, Nolva not needed do to the suicidal inhibitor Aromasin
also possible add Unleashed
Also favor here running PCT a full 4 weeks though it can be tough
some can get away with 3 weeks and maybe even 2.5 and then drop and recover fine, but feel its best to run that full PCT for 4 weeks just to make SURE you recover
also possible add Unleashed
Also favor here running PCT a full 4 weeks though it can be tough
some can get away with 3 weeks and maybe even 2.5 and then drop and recover fine, but feel its best to run that full PCT for 4 weeks just to make SURE you recover
Clomid and nolva are overkill, even if they work for you. Using both will multiply sides and offer no added benefit.
HCG is important to get the testes up for the task.
UNLEASHED will help raise Free T and repair HPTA.
Those 2 products are cheap and available. Why leave them out?
Toptoon1
New member
Omega, what would you recommend as being better, running hcg during or after cycle? I see you have the after cycle use of hcg listed already. What would your recommendation on using it during a cycle be? Could you breakdown the use of hcg for us during a 12wk cycle. When would you start, what dose, what frequency, when to stop, and what should we do for pct after we stop the on cycle hcg. Your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks bro.
I am going to add the UNLEASHED and HCG when I can, hopefully HCG mid cycle, if not then Ill get it for PCT.
Clomid @ 25mg/day wont give me side effects. I see people that run 150, 300mg! Im using low dose so i get the synergy. It will still raise my natty test.
needtogetaas
New member
I have my own pct programes that work.
I thought Nolva could be run with Aromasin....it's Arimidex it can't be run with.
What are those bro?
Im thinking a mix of chem/OTC PCT would be perfect.
clomid 25mg
nolva 10mg
Aromasin 12.5mg E3D
PP's Test Recovery Stack
UNLEASHED
MAYBE HCG
We're running the exact same gear stack my friend. Test, Dbol, Pro Tren....I'm running hcg and Adex throughout the cycle though. I thought you were going to drop the Nolva for pct....especially if you're running Tren. Are you running Tren-tfo or 1-T Tren?
I have aromasin on hand in case I need it, no HCG
I guess ill drop the nolva for PCT and run clomid/aromasin/PP's Test Recovery stack?
Ill keep the nolva on hand in case of any gyno issues week 1-8
Im running tren -tfo
I have aromasin on hand in case I need it, no HCG
I guess ill drop the nolva for PCT and run clomid/aromasin/PP's Test Recovery stack?
Ill keep the nolva on hand in case of any gyno issues week 1-8
Im running tren -tfo
I'm running the Tren-tfo as well. Why don't you order some hcg from rxhealth? It's back in stock...
Olivelawn
Banned
Re: PCTS I get asked for all the time =-)
Why would you run the hcg AND the hmg? The hcg alone will work just fine.
I agree with you in using aromasin. The thing I do not understand is why a lot of the members here always use the term "Aromasin on hand if needed". This makes no sense. It's a precautionary issue. It's like using rubbing alcohol to swab a body part to inject. An A/I should be used for the entire length of a cycle and PCT. It should also be ran 2 weeks longer after the use of clomid as well. An A/I will NOT hinder gains.
I would also use at least 2-3g of vitamin C before lifting during PCT to keep cortosil levels in check.
Quote posted by ~OMEGA~
My two Fav popular PCTS:
and YES the both work!
PCT is as important if not MORE important then the cycle it self.
You can truly keep 75% of gains as long as your endocrine and cns system bounce back
PCT is KEY in this.
(1 is used more for longer cycle 12-14 weeks)
1: Chem based PCT
hcg 2000 iu e4 days 12 days before end of cycle
hmg 75 iu every 4 days along side with the hcg
ALSO run Aromasin with it at 15 mgs a day ( hcg and Hmg will spike E level HIGH)
then for 3-4 weeks more run Clomid at 50 mgs a day with Aromasin at 20 mgs till you recover
2: Composite Supp + Chem based PCT - post cycle therapy - can be cheaper and works well for cycles 8 weeks and less pretty easy)
Unleashed ed
Sustain ed
Aromasin 10 mgs every other day
Clomid at 25 mgs a day the first 2 weeks
OFF cycle
Supps are Key too
Creatine Daily 5-7 grams a day
Glutamine Daily 10-20 grams
Amplify02 or some pre lift stim thats
totally worth it
also cut back on intensity by about 33% till you truly feel recovered. BOTH the CNS and Endocrine system take about 3-6 weeks to recover fully from a cycle.
~Fin~
-OMEGA
ps ( Aromasin is Exemestane as suicidal 3rd Gen AI that is good on the lipids and endocrine system1 and feel much better and is MORE effective then nolva or adex)
Why would you run the hcg AND the hmg? The hcg alone will work just fine.
I agree with you in using aromasin. The thing I do not understand is why a lot of the members here always use the term "Aromasin on hand if needed". This makes no sense. It's a precautionary issue. It's like using rubbing alcohol to swab a body part to inject. An A/I should be used for the entire length of a cycle and PCT. It should also be ran 2 weeks longer after the use of clomid as well. An A/I will NOT hinder gains.
I would also use at least 2-3g of vitamin C before lifting during PCT to keep cortosil levels in check.
Go ahead and share brosephelous
we all have differing ideas on PCT and also Gyno reversal
Go ahead and share brosephelous
we all have differing ideas on PCT and also Gyno reversal
Please do. There's not near as much talk on pct on here as it should be. Especially in the pct section! I've got one for you guys. If I'm running Adex during my cycle at .25mg eod along with 500ius of hcg weekly, should I run some Aromasin during pct? Would that be beneficial in raise my natural T or would it be overkill. Before I came here I though it was wrong to run an AI in pct if you've controlled estrogen during cycle but Nelson stated otherwise. Pct drives me nucking futs!!!
Olivelawn
Banned
It's pretty easy. You are doing the right thing by using the adex on cycle. I always run the adex through PCT and then an additional 2 weeks after droping clomid. By doing this there is sure to be no "rebound" effect. You don't need aromasin if you want to continue to use the adex. One or the other is sufficent. Personally, I like aromasin.
It really depends on what your cycle is looking like. Are you using long or short esters? Which compounds are you using?
The hcg is spot on.
Here is what I've done in the past which worked very well:
Cycle was:
1-4 50mg Dbol
1-10 750mg Test E
1-10 500mg Deca
1-12 25mg Aromasin ED
3-12 500ius HCG
11-12 100mg Test Prop ED
PCT was:
1-2 1000ius HCG EOD for 10 days
3-6 50mg Clomid
1-8 25mg Aromasin EOD
2-6 75mg Proviron
7-10 25mg Proviron
Bloodwork came back perfect for my normal values.
Even though the deca and test esters had yet to clear my system when starting the HCG at 1000ius, you can still start recovering before a little bit. Plus it was a matter of 3 days for the prop to be gone and 7 for the deca. By waiting until it totally clears you're setting yourself up to crash BIG TIME.
Hmm...that interesting. I'm not too familiar with Proviron. Isn't it an AI as well?
Olivelawn
Banned
Yes it is. It will boost your libido and it is non suppressive to the HPTA
artificialaspirations
New member
what about 1000 iu hcg during cycle and pct so you don't have to throw away half the bottle?
Along w/ adex or aromasin of course.
Along w/ adex or aromasin of course.
