MY LAST BULK, LOG, its gonna get ridiculous.....

[moya]

when lifting near-maximal weight, form will tend to break down... though i would still consider myself to be more of a technical lifter, perfect form is not always practical... having a strong core does become key in keeping yourself safer in these situations... and knowing how to bail on a heavy squat is important as well... all these thing lead to improved real-applicable strength...
of course you need to stay tight and keep your focus... but lifting these near-maximal weights trains more than just your muscles, it develops your central nervous system as well... somthing that light(er) weights just dont accomplish very well, thus allowing one to lift heavier and heavier, and as a result, creating greater micro-tears in the muscle...
last time... the human back is made for dynamic pulling. period. other bodyparts may respond better to different types of training, and individuals will still vary in what works for them... but evolutionary-wise, the back is made to pick up heavy shit... not lots of light(er) stuff over and over...
we can argue this over and over, but i still say the pics tell the truth, and the best looking backs on this board have been made picking up heavy shit...

 

[thelocal]

^^i agree

 

[Peterlumberjack]

beast! now these are some heavy lifts. awesome, simply awesome.

 

[liffalot]

its not ignorant,i dont bounch the bar,i dout that thatbloke does,,but i dont think u can bench 400lbs with great fourm,,look at all the pros none of them have fourm

but strenght inside the gym just that..someone can be strong as fuck in the gym but weak as hell outside the gym,on the football field or etc,dif type of strenght you said " I'm not fucking with the second dude." that doesnt mean he is a beast at fighting or anything just means he can lift 450

Thats what I'm saying....

Weightroom strength with shitty form is just that.....its weightroom strength.

Weightroom strength with good form, strong control says something about your true strength.

You're right, maybe the fact that the guy who benches 405 with good form doesnt directly translate to him being a great fighter (although, being a fighter, I would argue that coordination and stability are two of the key elements of fighting, and good form is a good indicator of both of these), but he is the stronger of the two individuals. Thats what I was getting at.

Being able to do 405 with good form or with poor form = the same in the weightroom. But outside of the weightroom, the guy with the good form is all around stronger than the other guy.

 

[liffalot]

its not ignorant,i dont bounch the bar,i dout that thatbloke does,,but i dont think u can bench 400lbs with great fourm,,look at all the pros none of them have fourm

but strenght inside the gym just that..someone can be strong as fuck in the gym but weak as hell outside the gym,on the football field or etc,dif type of strenght you said " I'm not fucking with the second dude." that doesnt mean he is a beast at fighting or anything just means he can lift 450

Thats what I'm saying....

Weightroom strength with shitty form is just that.....its weightroom strength.

Weightroom strength with good form, strong control says something about your true strength.

You're right, maybe the fact that the guy who benches 405 with good form doesnt directly translate to him being a great fighter (although, being a fighter, I would argue that coordination and stability are two of the key elements of fighting, and good form is a good indicator of both of these), but he is the stronger of the two individuals. Thats what I was getting at.

Being able to do 405 with good form or with poor form = the same in the weightroom. But outside of the weightroom, the guy with the good form is all around stronger than the other guy.

So if youre in the weightroom to show everyone how big your dick is, form doesnt matter. If youre in there to build some muscle and increase your strength it does.

That's all I'm gonna say! Sorry to hijack your log bloke!

BTW looking awesome on the deads bro. Thats fucking sick weight.

 

[thelocal]

i agree the guy with better forum is stronger no dout

 

[25homes]

Wat you weigh now

 

[WinnyPumps]

imo, this is the num 1 way to get injured. if you cant use good form, its too heavy for you. kids bouncing the bar off there chest, swinging the d-bells working there back more than there bi's on curls, its ridiculous, thats why I come back to my home town after two years and those guys look exactly the same. jmo

Bingo! You may get stronger but it's not worth the wear and tear on your tendons and joints from all that bad forum using heavy weights. Years from now you will regret it. Also with good form where you are actually using all of the intended muscle leads to proper development of that muscle therefore you will look better which is the goal correct? To each his own but I'm more focused on an aesthetic body instead of just pure bulk with no definition or muscle seperation. I think I'm just venting because it see peole in the gym all the time that are doing exercises that aren't working the muscle and will lead to injury. ThatBloke is a beast but he complains about nagging injuires alot too you see. Not worth it

 

[wcjcMr.O]

to be exact

i have knee damage (wen i was younger i was a famous half squater LOL) not anymore thanks to google

i have tendonitis in my left elbow from hammer extenions (strict form)

and occasionaly i get a sore left/right wrist from dumbell curling anything more then 60 pounds with strict form (so strict form actually injured me here aswell) i get no pain wen i loosen it up

that and skullcrushers with anything mor then 150pounds it hurts my wrist (again stirct form), so now i do JM presses and wrists are good as gold

so in all fairness, ive actually suffered more injuries becoz of strict form training and training light

things like back, which ive never trained with strict form, ive had the best results and NEVER an injury

soooooo this whole strict form thing? might work for you, but for me its done nothing but injure me

however only thing ill agree is bench press, ALWAYS had to be strict with that, although ive never been able to figure a way out how to cheat a bench press dont understand how u guys talk about bouncing the bar off the chest, wen the bar touches my chest i press straight up coz im scared itll crush me hahaha

When I said that I wasnt talking about you dude. I havent even seen you bench and i KNOW your not bouncin the bar. you got past that 400 mark, and ya your right, if you try bouncin 400 for some extra leverage, you might get crushed or crack a rib or something for sure. but I DO see it pretty regulary and im sure you have too. its usually little guys that obviously havent been workin out too long, since they obviously dont know what they hell there doing. You CAN use "Bad" form and get a few extra cheat reps on stuff like bi's and do it safely, or in your case, prevent injury as i do some stuff like that for my shoulder work too to prevent injury. The main thing i think is getting a contraction in the target muscle. And most the time when I see people cheating or using poor form, its INEXPERIANCED kids who are just going through the motions and obviously not getting a contraction where they need to be.

just wanted to let you know that my remark wasnt directed toward you dude.

but once again, everybody and every BODY is different. you gotta find what works for you. And those heavy weights and low reps are OBVIOUSLY workin for you man, so keep it up. your a beast

 

[WinnyPumps]

to be exact

i have knee damage (wen i was younger i was a famous half squater LOL) not anymore thanks to google

i have tendonitis in my left elbow from hammer extenions (strict form)

and occasionaly i get a sore left/right wrist from dumbell curling anything more then 60 pounds with strict form (so strict form actually injured me here aswell) i get no pain wen i loosen it up

that and skullcrushers with anything mor then 150pounds it hurts my wrist (again stirct form), so now i do JM presses and wrists are good as gold

so in all fairness, ive actually suffered more injuries becoz of strict form training and training light

things like back, which ive never trained with strict form, ive had the best results and NEVER an injury

soooooo this whole strict form thing? might work for you, but for me its done nothing but injure me

however only thing ill agree is bench press, ALWAYS had to be strict with that, although ive never been able to figure a way out how to cheat a bench press dont understand how u guys talk about bouncing the bar off the chest, wen the bar touches my chest i press straight up coz im scared itll crush me hahaha

I'm sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. You're saying the only injuries you have are from the times you have used strict form and using ligher weights meaning higher reps?? That just sounds ridiculous. 99% of the time people get injured from going too heavy which leads to bad form using momentum which then leads to much of the stress going to the joints and tendons instead if the actual stress being on the muscle. I'm not trying to argue man I'm just saying that cannot be true.

Lets say 2 natural althletea begin weight training. One using strict form and most lifts are in the 8-12 rep range and the other lifter uses momentum and sloppy form while going heavy in the 2-5 rep range. I would bet any amount of money the althlete with the ''loose'' form gets injured much more often while not gaining nearly enough muscle mass as the other. That is why strong men and power lifters are big with much more fat than a bodybuilder who is more about form and working individual muscles instead of just ''moving'' weight.