MY Doc scared the SH*T out of me today.

[MorganKane]

I may be mistaken but didn't Ulter think cholesterol values weren't an important indicator of cardiovascular damage risk etc?

Ulter your thoughts?

I just had a preventative cardiac workup done.
it includes several things:
Ultrasound of your heart.
Stress test
Blood work including the Berkley test.

The doc (heart specialist) told me that cholesterol is of big concern.
Not only the numbers it self but the size of the partical (this is where the berkly test comes in).

My total cholesterol was 158.
99 LDL
59 HDL

The LDL particals were mostly large and thats a good thing but my HDL particals were small. So my risk of cardiac problems are much larger because of the size of the partical then you would assume from looking at just the cholesterol numbers.

We went over excersize and diet and he said I am already doing well there so nothing to change but he did put me on Niacin, the non flush prescription kind a 1000mg a day.

My blood work was done about 6 weeks after I ended my last cycle.
The cycle:
11 weeks Prop 100mg ED
9 weeks Tren A 75mg ED
Last 6 weeks Var 60mg ED

 

[The_Chemist]

Sorry to hear about this dude but really 100mg a var ED what were you thinking?

How is this different than running 100mgs of Anadrol or 100mgs of Dbol? What I mean is, Iv'e ran 100mgs of Dbol and had Cholesterol that tested low, but in the tolerable range. At the time, I thought it was a fair assumption that 100mgs of Var wouldnt be any worse than 100mgs of Dbol. Boy was I wrong!

I truly believe that some orals(var/win) are FAR harsher on Lipid profiles than others.

Ive been off the Juice and traveling the south pacific on a steady diet of Fish and Rice. Ill get a new test when i come back and post the numbers.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

How is this different than running 100mgs of Anadrol or 100mgs of Dbol? What I mean is, Iv'e ran 100mgs of Dbol and had Cholesterol that tested low, but in the tolerable range. At the time, I thought it was a fair assumption that 100mgs of Var wouldnt be any worse than 100mgs of Dbol. Boy was I wrong!

I truly believe that some orals(var/win) are FAR harsher on Lipid profiles than others.

Ive been off the Juice and traveling the south pacific on a steady diet of Fish and Rice. Ill get a new test when i come back and post the numbers.

Fair enough I hope new results are in your favour.

 

[bilter]

How is this different than running 100mgs of Anadrol or 100mgs of Dbol? What I mean is, Iv'e ran 100mgs of Dbol and had Cholesterol that tested low, but in the tolerable range. At the time, I thought it was a fair assumption that 100mgs of Var wouldnt be any worse than 100mgs of Dbol. Boy was I wrong!

I truly believe that some orals(var/win) are FAR harsher on Lipid profiles than others.

dbol does aromatise so yes it is easier on lipids. One thiing that does negate some of the affects of var / winny is to run an aromatising compound with it (test is best) along with an estrogen block (nolvadex). Having a higher level of estrogen circulating in the system is the goal here.

 

[Zircon]

i reckon drop orals fro good. Ive got a small stash of tbol anddbol ill use but after tht its prop only.

ive herd bad things about winny frequently and every now andthen from var

 

[The_Chemist]

Whats really sad about this whole deal is that anavar is one of the best drugs I've ever tried. I have never looked this good before, until I tried anavar at this dosage. I dieted down to around 7 or 8% at 190lbs and still had extremley full muscle bellies as if i was walking around at 215.

 

[sigmund]

dbol does aromatise so yes it is easier on lipids. One thiing that does negate some of the affects of var / winny is to run an aromatising compound with it (test is best) along with an estrogen block (nolvadex). Having a higher level of estrogen circulating in the system is the goal here.

Very good point!

Could also kill two birds with one stone so to speak by running HCG too. HCG will partly convert to Estro, which as stated will help to maintain a better balance between HDL / LDL cholesterol. It also ensures a better recovery post cycle.

A screwed cholesterol panel should be expected running orals that don't aromatise but it is important to remember that upon cessation of cycle the body will recover - it can take several months but by using the supps mentioned by previous posters the shift can take place more quickly. IMO - providing you are in good shape prior to your cycle the long term effects should not be severe (but use don't abuse! And know where you are in terms of cardiac / cholesterol health / blood pressure - these things are relativelty easy to get checked out)... in saying all that some patients stay on var for years and HIV meds severely screw lipid profiles... i believe docs also incorporate statins in these cases but they are still out of balance.

 

[The_Chemist]

Very good point!

Could also kill two birds with one stone so to speak by running HCG too. HCG will partly convert to Estro, which as stated will help to maintain a better balance between HDL / LDL cholesterol. It also ensures a better recovery post cycle.

A screwed cholesterol panel should be expected running orals that don't aromatise but it is important to remember that upon cessation of cycle the body will recover - it can take several months but by using the supps mentioned by previous posters the shift can take place more quickly. IMO - providing you are in good shape prior to your cycle the long term effects should not be severe (but use don't abuse! And know where you are in terms of cardiac / cholesterol health / blood pressure - these things are relativelty easy to get checked out)... in saying all that some patients stay on var for years and HIV meds severely screw lipid profiles... i believe docs also incorporate statins in these cases but they are still out of balance.

I like your sig.

 

[Mavafanculo]

I dont even know what angina is.... so I dont think I have it. ~shrugs~

LOL - when I change my sig, I'm using that

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[ninesecz]

i have a bad back and go to a pain clinic I am going to have him tety my level after 4 weeks the i will be through with d-bol then i will have them checked at end of cycle 12weeks probably should have them checked at 8wks also but at least i will no what the d-bol did and then what the test and tren did. This will work out good for me cause i think cycle is going to work great for me and am planning to repeat same thing after this one. I will at least know before i start 2nd cycle if i need to change anything!!