MY Doc scared the SH*T out of me today.

[st8grad]

Tatyana has great advice above. In addition I would seriously consider, even if just for short term - say two to three months, of a low carb high fat diet.

That will easily drop your LDL levels as well as triglycerides and also put you on the path to restoring your HDL.

Of anything negative that you believe about low carb diets, the one indisputable fact is that is markedly improves cholesterol values.

This doesn't mean you have to stay super low carb forever. Just for a short period. Take two weeks to acclimate by going below 20 grams of carbs per day.

Then the next two weeks bump to 40grams. Then 60 grams and hold somewhere between 60 and 100 grams for a couple months. Consider high dose or even prescription Niacin to bump up HDL levels as well.

BUT, you MUST maintain HIGH fat when doing low carb. Somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 100-140 grams of fat per day.

People that complain about low energy and moodiness from low carb usually aren't getting enough fat to compensate. And high fat is key to low carb.

I promise you much improvement. If not, your next cycle of Var is on me.

 

[Mavafanculo]

the (presumably) temporarily degraded lipid numbers (high ldl, low-end hdl) are a known side effect of a.a.s. - they will also self correct, but there's much you can do to speed the process and protect yourself as this occurs:

1) policosanol 20mg evening (+hdl, -ldl, blood thinner also, which is useful in your case as thicker blood and crappy lipid numbers arent a good combo)
2) garlic - cardiac formula dose of garlique or garlicin etc (acts as a substitute/super hdl, clearing ldl and reducing new plaque formation - also a blood thinner)
3) inositol hexanicotinate (noflush niacin) - (one of the few substances to raise hdl)
4) red yeast extract - a natural form of lovastatin, the same ingredient found in prescription stain drugs - (- ldl)
5) psyllium seed husk products/ hi fiber diet (-ldl )
6) diet high in unsaturated fats ("good fats" from vegetbles) mostly monostaurated fats which will raise hdl (olive oil, peanut oils, walnuts etc)
7) cardio, 30 minutes 3x weekly - even brisk walk - (increases hdl)
8) obviously a diet low in "bad fats" (saturated fats- meat and diary, and trans fats)
9) Fish Oil supplements or fish (better balanced than omega-3 pills) reduce risk of CV event and plaque formation .
10) Grape Seed Extract (-ldl, maybe +hdl, more important prevent oxidation of ldl and plaque formation) - similar protection as garlic during hdl-impaired periods such as during cycle and proximate post-cycle

 

[needtogetarmy]

If you used an oral for three straight months what did you expect your results to be like?

My god, it really makes me sad that people do this.

 

[Tatyana]

That may not be the best idea bro. First check your lipids and then try other things first. The "cure" is worse than the disease in the case of statins.

Agreed, I am not fond of statins.

They can be a life saver in some cases, but I would advise trying diet modification and more natural supplements before starting a drug you have to take for life.

I found one interesting paper on statins and lowering cholesterol, it was a HUGE meta-analysis of all the research that had been done on reducing the risk of cardiovascular events. Which it did.

However, the 'funny' thing they found was that with a significant drop in cholesterol also came a greater risk of mortality from 'violence', such as suicide, homicide.

The brain is mostly composed of lipids, and it does make sense that alterations of the lipid profiles in the body will have an effect on the brain and therefore mood and behaviour.

There is also quite a number of associations of the change in our dietary fats and depression. The association of a really low cholesterol < 3 mmol/L and 'throwing yourself off a bridge'.

I do find it funny that the original lab work thought that 4.8 mmol/L was 'high'.

That level would be considered quite acceptable in the UK, although the HDL/LDL ratio of 10 would not be (anything under 4 is considered low risk)

The ranges are often sex and age related, but I also think since cholesterol has been named as ONE of the risk factors for CVD (cardio vascular disease), it has gotten a really bad reputation, and now 'cholesterol is BAD'.

This is ridiculous IMHO.

 

[jumpmaster82]

damn bro good luc fixing that shit

 

[b_light]

I had bloodwork done when i was feelin like shit, dunno what they tested for but they said everything was within range and some stuff was a bit high which showed signs of infection.

 

[Tatyana]

I had bloodwork done when i was feelin like shit, dunno what they tested for but they said everything was within range and some stuff was a bit high which showed signs of infection.

CRP, white cell count or elevated neutrophils

These demonstrate infection OR inflammation, and the inflammatory process can be triggered by training, in fact, it may be necessary to building muscles.

Google arachnadoic acid

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Long strory short. My blood work is back from my 3 month 100mg Anavar - oxandrolone - , 1 gram test cycle and the results just about knocked my Doc out of her chair. She said that she had never seen anyone with numbers this bad in 17 years of practicing, and Im a prime candidate for a stroke. My HDL was almost zero. She called the lab to retest my sample and confirm that this was the correct number, then booked me to see a cardiologist.

Sorry for the canadian scale, but i cant find a way to convert mmol/litre to nanograms/decilitre for all the americans. If anyone would like to convert these numbers to nanograms/decilitre, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cholesterol 4.80 mmol/l HIGH
HDL 0.45 mmol/L LOW (not sure, but this roughly converts to 2ng/dl
LDL 3.72 mmol/L HIGH
Total ratio 10.7

Whats funny, is that i took all the normal preventative mesures during this cycle, including 30 mins of daily high intensity interval cardio, because I am a huge believer in cardiovascular health.

6 grams fish oil/day
3000mgs garlic
3 tbsp flax oil

NO more VAR for me!!

thos is why high doses are not better than a normal low dose cycle. you were using a shit load of juice infact toooooooo much IMO.