My DHEA-S results on Dermacrine

[justinjones1963]

What you mean?


What i cant be honest and post the truth of my results?


I posted my results because i NEED SOME HELP. I need to get back to normal.


My Doctor told me not to take anything untill i see the Endo on Nov 30th, but thats over 1 month away and i cant stand to look in the mirror anymore, and dont want to have the estrogen levels of a woman floating around in me for any longer. But self medicating fucked me up in the first place, though Avodart was supposed to be FDA approved as safe.

To be honest i tried AIMF and Arimidex - anastrozole - and they didnt help either with my facial bloat either, so im guessnig my Estrogen still remained high.


I'll bet any money my dihydrotestosterone tests come back low.


Be VERY cautious with Avodart, its a stupidly powerfull drug.



I never had a single problem EVER in my 23 years before i touched Avodart. It MUST be the root of the problem.

I think it is AWESOME you got blood work done after using that stuff. TOO MANY people use stuff and have NO IDEA what it is doing to them internally.

Also, you do need to watch out what you say here because I had an honest post on Myogenx and it got deleted. Some people here don't like the truth.

 

[holy ghost]

justin you are good bro but youre alwys up to somethin! you strike me as an investigative journalist, ever thought of persuing that?

 

[needtogetaas]

I think it is AWESOME you got blood work done after using that stuff. TOO MANY people use stuff and have NO IDEA what it is doing to them internally.

Also, you do need to watch out what you say here because I had an honest post on Myogenx and it got deleted. Some people here don't like the truth.

well as you cans se there are no post going any where in this thread...

 

[needtogetaas]

needtogetass, give me a break dude, seriously.


FIRST OF ALL, i am not fan of anybody or anything. I have a life other than internet chat boards, i couldnt really give a flying fuck about any of this internet shit, i came here in the first place looking for some answers.


Ulter and Macro have helped me out answering questions,ect, Just like Eric ( PP ) has thats its. And what the hell do those guys have to do with my situation anyways? I bought AIMF and some other shit from them, just as i bought Erics WHOLE line of products. You are sounding like a little imature kid.



SECOND OF ALL, i NEVER had an estro problem EVER. I was using Dutasteride for hairloss and decided to use AIMF to protect from any possible estrogen increase. I obviously didnt have that much of an estrogen problem while i was on Dutasteride and AIMF, because my nipples never itched and i wasnt growing boobs.


Now the ONLY problem i had taking Dutasteride was my face was getting puffy, and AIMF and Arimidex didnt help it. But my nipples NEVER itched. So it must have been either not powerfull enough to get rid of the bloat, or simply because i reduced almost all my dihydrotestosterone in the body, that i had some bloat. And it wasnt MAJOR bloat, but it was enough to bother me.


Or the bloat could have been to increased androgens, which can cause bloat aswell.


THATS why i was posting on these boards, trying to figure out how to get rid of my facial bloat that i had on Dutasteride, as you can see.


So i quit Dutasteride in MAY and at the same time i used some stims to see if they would help, and i ended up getting bad anxiety and jitters, and when i stopped taking them i crashed, and felt like shit.


So i got my DHEA-S levels tested they came back low, and that coincided with me feeling like crap from the Dutasteride and stimulants. I SUSPECTED that i had adrenal fatigue because of the stimulants, but im not a Doctor. I got other tests done and im as HEALTHY as a horse, just because my DHEA-S levels came back low doesnt mean im not healthy. Im lean and ripped with a nice body and ive always been my whole life, and ive never dieted or even trained. My bodyfat is 8-9%. Everything that matters from a health standpoint was perfectly fine.



So YOU and Eric told me that Dermacrine would raise my DHEA-S levels, so i spent my money on it.


My Doctor tested my DHEA-S levels before, and told me to come back in 3-4 weeks to test it again.


So the Dermacrine lasted me 3 weeks and mabye 1 day, and i went for bloodwork 3 or 4 days after.


My DHEA-S came back even LOWER and my Doc tested my Estradiol which came back high. He also tested my dihydrotestosterone and will report what my levels was when i get the results.



REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING, Dermacrine should have raised my DHEA and Lowered my Estradiol. Which YOU claim on here everyday.



Im not fucked up bro, even if my dihydrotestosterone is still low from the Dutasteride, which i will find out and report back, Dermacrine should have raised my DHEA-S and lowered my Estradiol regardless.



There are absolutely no exuses for this.


Eric himself knows why i wanted to use Dermacrine, to raise my DHEA-S levels.


And he knows i have no agenda either, im fucking 23 years old and i have a life outside of these forums, i dont post here for fun and to chat i post here when i need something. Same thing with the AF board. You can see that for yourself aswell as anybody else.



And well of course it worked for you, you work for Eric and post on here everyday pushing this product, so why would you say anything bad about it?


And its funny how you said that those are your blood test results on the Dermacrine website, which says a 31 year old man, when we know you are not 31, your like 27 or something you said in another thread.



Im not calling Dermacrine a shit product, but you need a more powerfull aromatize inhibitor, because depending on the persons GENETICS the DHEA can be converted into estrogen possibly more than the Testosterone. Also the Pregnenalone converts to Progesterone, which can lower dihydrotestosterone. I also got some itchy nips here and there when taking Dermacrine, and im not the only one who has reported that.


If YOU have no agenda then you will leave this thread open for discussion.


You can give me your number i can call you on the phone aswell if you want to discuss it. I can fax you my blood work.


I want some answers from Eric not you, you dont know what your talking about.

dont really have to say any thing.all I have to do is post this all day....

real copy of a real test...works for me.

 

[SuperOne]

Hi Eric and gjohnson5, thanks for your replies, i appreciate the help.


I'll give you the exact details.


I used 5 pumps per day of Dermacrine, though the pumps came out pretty big. It lasted about 3 weeks and a day or so? And i did a double dose some where in the middle just to see how i felt and to possibly kick start my DHEA. I think the last day i did like 6-7 pumps just because there was no more left, and didnt want to do 1-2 pumps only the next day.


Then i started Sustain for 2-3 days and saw my Doctor. He ordered the tests, so i didnt use Sustain the morning of the test. Im pretty sure that i didnt use Sustain the day before either but i dont remember. I havent used the Sustain since as i want my system totally clear of everything untill i see the endo.



I wasnt taking anything else at the time. Im not on any other meds and never have been, except for the Dutasteride which i quit May 8th i beleive. I was on and off Dutasteride for a year, but i never took more than 1 pill a day, for longer than 1 month straight every day. I usually took a day or 2-3 off. My dosing wasnt consistant, but i never took more than 2 weeks off. The only time i took more than that off, was in November 06. I continued using AIMF and after about 25 days i finally got rid of all the water, and all the sides were gone. I used like 3 pumps of AIMF on my feet the night before along with some cherry stem caps ( diuretic ), woke up in the middle of the night sweating, took a piss. Then when i got up my face was lean again. I was so happy, but my hair looked crappier.


Then i tried using Dutasteride again a week later to see if i could be the sides, but i couldnt. I tried everything in the meantime to beat the water retention in my face, and it wouldnt work. I just put up with it, but there's only so much i could take. My stress tolerance was absolutely horrible on Dutasteride, i would flip out at the littlest things. So im May i quit. I did try 5mg of Proscar for a couple days in late June i beleive, but it made me feel like total shit so i stopped.



I didnt get my E2 tested before Dermacrine cause my Doctor wouldnt do it.


Im not saying that Dermacrine raised my Estradiol, i just dont see why it would be so high, and it certainly didnt lower it. I had the odd nipple itch here and there more around when i first started it, but thats it really.


I can get my DHEA-S levels checked again before i see the Endo in late November, and post my results. If they are higher than the Dermacrine helped so i apologize. But i dont think i wasnt informed on how long it would take for my DHEA-S to go up after i stopped the Dermacrine. But at the least it didnt lower my Estradiol, and i suspect it possibly elevated it, because of the DHEA conversion, but i cant say forsure.



I have never done anabolic androgenic steroids before, as im prone to losing hair.


Now i dont know if AIMF or Arimidex - anastrozole - didnt lower my estrogen, because while on Dutasteride i didnt get any itchy nips, but i had some fatigue and my face was more puffy then usual. I only used Adex for a week or so, and it didnt do what i was hoping, plus i looked a lot more vascular on AIMF. Mabye i was bloating because of the extra test, but i suspect my estrogen wasnt lowered enough with AIMF or Adex, or that i simply need DHT in my system to not bloat. Mabye when my hormones are out of balance i bloat.


I basically looked like a bloated bodybuilder on steroids almost. Dutasteride and AIMF did raise my test i suspect because i was growing off only a few heavy workouts, and i really wasnt doing anything but lifting heavy shit at my work. My forams looked like popeye. I did look more swole on Dermacrine aswell. I dont doubt that it raised my test levels, because if it didnt, my estadiol wouldnt have been high. I also suspect that my dihydrotestosterone was low, otherwise my estradiol would have been lower right?



Dutasteride has a halflife on 3 months i beleive, once the drug has built up in your system. The longer you are on it the more it builds up in your body. I beleive blood donors say dont give blood untill 6 months after Dutasteride use.


I have read that DHT levels have been low for over a year in some cases, after quitting Dutasteride. I can re-dig that info up. For people on Dutasteride for a year consistantly, it took about 6 months for everything to return to normal, 24 weeks. Though it can remain in tissues for longer.



I dont know why the hell my body hasnt bounced back yet, its starting to really piss me off.


Im thinking mabye my body is used to the way Dutasteride effected my hormones, that it wants to stay like that.


Im thinking mabye i have to use some Proviron, Femera - letrozole - , and low dose test at 200mg per week or something. I have no clue what to do really. Even though it will effect my hair, i think i would take my chances and use a topical anti-androgen.


I will no more when my DHT results come back.


Shitty situation.

 

[holy ghost]

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[Primordial Performance]

Superone,k

The estrogen issue is hard to comment on because you don’t have any pre-values… so there really is no way to say how Dermacrine affected your E2. I can tell you that we’ve never seen E2 increase like that with Dermacrine. Perhaps your E2 was excessively high to begin with.

Of course, E2 will increase proportionately with Testosterone, so if Dermacrine did raise your E2 it surely raised your testosterone above a normal physiological level. But again, without having results on this (and testing 4 days after using Dermacrine) you can’t really pin point what effect Derma had on your hormone levels.

I guarantee that if you tested your DHEA-S during your Dermacrine use your levels would have been far over normal values.

-Pp

 

[holy ghost]

hes RIGHT how can you base that when you dont have a prior lab tst?

How long does a Bottle of Sustain last on the normal pct protocol fellas?

 

[Primordial Performance]

hes RIGHT how can you base that when you dont have a prior lab tst?

How long does a Bottle of Sustain last on the normal PCT - post cycle therapy - protocol fellas?

A bottle of Sustain will last 30 days for PCT... you can continue it too if you like... its good for overall health.

-Pp

 

[holy ghost]

sounds too good to be true! cant wait to try it!