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My DHEA-S results on Dermacrine

needtogetass, give me a break dude, seriously.


FIRST OF ALL, i am not fan of anybody or anything. I have a life other than internet chat boards, i couldnt really give a flying fuck about any of this internet shit, i came here in the first place looking for some answers.


Ulter and Macro have helped me out answering questions,ect, Just like Eric ( PP ) has thats its. And what the hell do those guys have to do with my situation anyways? I bought AIMF and some other shit from them, just as i bought Erics WHOLE line of products. You are sounding like a little imature kid.



SECOND OF ALL, i NEVER had an estro problem EVER. I was using Dutasteride for hairloss and decided to use AIMF to protect from any possible estrogen increase. I obviously didnt have that much of an estrogen problem while i was on Dutasteride and AIMF, because my nipples never itched and i wasnt growing boobs.


Now the ONLY problem i had taking Dutasteride was my face was getting puffy, and AIMF and Arimidex didnt help it. But my nipples NEVER itched. So it must have been either not powerfull enough to get rid of the bloat, or simply because i reduced almost all my dihydrotestosterone in the body, that i had some bloat. And it wasnt MAJOR bloat, but it was enough to bother me.


Or the bloat could have been to increased androgens, which can cause bloat aswell.


THATS why i was posting on these boards, trying to figure out how to get rid of my facial bloat that i had on Dutasteride, as you can see.


So i quit Dutasteride in MAY and at the same time i used some stims to see if they would help, and i ended up getting bad anxiety and jitters, and when i stopped taking them i crashed, and felt like shit.


So i got my DHEA-S levels tested they came back low, and that coincided with me feeling like crap from the Dutasteride and stimulants. I SUSPECTED that i had adrenal fatigue because of the stimulants, but im not a Doctor. I got other tests done and im as HEALTHY as a horse, just because my DHEA-S levels came back low doesnt mean im not healthy. Im lean and ripped with a nice body and ive always been my whole life, and ive never dieted or even trained. My bodyfat is 8-9%. Everything that matters from a health standpoint was perfectly fine.



So YOU and Eric told me that Dermacrine would raise my DHEA-S levels, so i spent my money on it.


My Doctor tested my DHEA-S levels before, and told me to come back in 3-4 weeks to test it again.


So the Dermacrine lasted me 3 weeks and mabye 1 day, and i went for bloodwork 3 or 4 days after.


My DHEA-S came back even LOWER and my Doc tested my Estradiol which came back high. He also tested my dihydrotestosterone and will report what my levels was when i get the results.



REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING, Dermacrine should have raised my DHEA and Lowered my Estradiol. Which YOU claim on here everyday.



Im not fucked up bro, even if my dihydrotestosterone is still low from the Dutasteride, which i will find out and report back, Dermacrine should have raised my DHEA-S and lowered my Estradiol regardless.



There are absolutely no exuses for this.


Eric himself knows why i wanted to use Dermacrine, to raise my DHEA-S levels.


And he knows i have no agenda either, im fucking 23 years old and i have a life outside of these forums, i dont post here for fun and to chat i post here when i need something. Same thing with the AF board. You can see that for yourself aswell as anybody else.



And well of course it worked for you, you work for Eric and post on here everyday pushing this product, so why would you say anything bad about it?


And its funny how you said that those are your blood test results on the Dermacrine website, which says a 31 year old man, when we know you are not 31, your like 27 or something you said in another thread.



Im not calling Dermacrine a shit product, but you need a more powerfull aromatize inhibitor, because depending on the persons GENETICS the DHEA can be converted into estrogen possibly more than the Testosterone. Also the Pregnenalone converts to Progesterone, which can lower dihydrotestosterone. I also got some itchy nips here and there when taking Dermacrine, and im not the only one who has reported that.


If YOU have no agenda then you will leave this thread open for discussion.


You can give me your number i can call you on the phone aswell if you want to discuss it. I can fax you my blood work.


I want some answers from Eric not you, you dont know what your talking about.
 
SuperOne said:
Bump for PP, i would like to know why Dermacrine didnt raise my DHEA-S levels, and why they were actually a bit lower after, and why my estradiol was increased, and not decreased.


I got my dihydrotestosterone tested at the same time but they had to send the tests to another lab for results, so will post the results when they come back. But regardless there is no reason for my estradiol to be that high, i doubt my DHT was still abolished over 5 months after stopping Avodart.

My nipples did get itchy here and there aswell.



Doesnt Dermacrine increase pregnenolone which converts to progesterone, which lowers DHT?

Superone,

We have no problem with the honest review of our products as per the comment made earlier.

Let me get a couple things strait... You used Dermacrine for 3 weeks at 5 pumps everyday and then got blood tested 3 days after quiting the Dermacrine? Were you using anything else during this time?

Most importantly, why did you test 3 days after using the Dermacrine? This is the exact time I tell people NOT to test hormone levels as you will get the lowest results during this period because of hormonal rebound. (Dermacrine clears very fast) You either test while your ON dermacrine, or at least 2-3 weeks after Dermacrine to let your body adjust.

Dermacrine significantly raises DHEA, that has been established over and over in our blood and saliva testing. This was just a result of bad timing. Id like to get some more info to try and figure the E2 results...

-Pp
 
SuperOne said:
And its funny how you said that those are your blood test results on the Dermacrine website, which says a 31 year old man, when we know you are not 31, your like 27 or something you said in another thread.

BTW, those results needto showed are legit. The results you see on our site are from other guys who tested the product. We never posted needto's results on our website.

-Pp
 
SuperOne said:
My DHEA-S came back even LOWER and my Doc tested my Estradiol which came back high. He also tested my dihydrotestosterone and will report what my levels was when i get the results.

REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING, Dermacrine should have raised my DHEA and Lowered my Estradiol. Which YOU claim on here everyday.


I don’t see any “before” E2 values… do you have any results for your E2 before you started Dermacrine?

-Pp
 
I'm still interested in any other meds you may have been taking. If what you're saying is true , then dihydrotestosterone has an extremely strong antagonizing effect on estrogen in yourself. The fact that aromatase inhibitor's did not did not lower estrogen back to normal also is also puzzling

Yes dutasteride can knock out some 90% of DHT in some people. But you say you got off dutasteride in MAY and yet here in October , your estrogen is still above normal. What dosage of dutasteride were you taking? Generally you should only take 1 tablet a day and taking more then that does not block any extra DHT

You're not taking any test injections with this are you?
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One thing that does come to mind is deca usage. Deca can convert to estrogen and AI's won't help. This would definitly skew your test results
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Anyway, we still seem to be missing some information at this point from what I can tell. As far as Dermacrine , PP said that the product clears quickly and I am glad that is clear.

SuperOne said:
Im guessing some people just need dihydrotestosterone in their body to not bloat up, thBut Dutasteride made my face puffy and round like a womans, and aimf and arimidex didnt help. Im holding around 5 - 8 pounds of water.at or mabye i needed something like Letrozole to work to lower my estrogen, as 95% of my dihydrotestosterone was being inhibited on Dutasteride. dihydrotestosterone is a estrogen antagonist, and it has been shown to lower Estradiol in studies.



I got my dihydrotestosterone tested but waiting for those results form the lab.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I'm still interested in any other meds you may have been taking. If what you're saying is true , then dihydrotestosterone has an extremely strong antagonizing effect on estrogen in yourself. The fact that aromatase inhibitor's did not did not lower estrogen back to normal also is also puzzling

Yes dutasteride can knock out some 90% of DHT in some people. But you say you got off dutasteride in MAY and yet here in October , your estrogen is still above normal. What dosage of dutasteride were you taking? Generally you should only take 1 tablet a day and taking more then that does not block any extra DHT

You're not taking any test injections with this are you?


Anyway, we still seem to be missing some information at this point from what I can tell. As far as Dermacrine , PP said that the product clears quickly and I am glad that is clear.

Here is my hypothesis on the estrogen/bloat issue –

The 5-alpha reductase inhibitors reduced his DHT so much that estrogen was allowed to run rampant, increase fat tissue, and consequently increase aromatase tissue. DHT keeps estro in control, and when you remove DHT from the system, estrogen is allowed to pack-on all the fat tissue and subcutaneous water it possibly can. (Explaining the bloat)

Since estrogen has dominated his system for so long he has excessive aromatase (fatty) tissue in his body. The only way to counter this would be to supplement with high amounts of DHT. Of course, this would not help his hair loss condition.

-Pp
 
I agree. Dutasteride is very potent.
And yes , if estrogen is allowed to rise , he would have to take steps to reverse the estrogen dominance and remain on that until a a blood test verifies that the estrogen dominance is infact fixed.

I agree that a hypothesis would be to go to bb.com and try one of the OTC dihydrotestosterone supplements such as the Superdol clones and see if that fixes it.

It's really hard to say because his tests don't really have enough variables. I would like to see his testosterone levels at both points. Progesterone would be helpful too just incase steroid use.

I need to check the half life of dutasteride. Blood donors tell you to not donate blood for some 3 months after getting off dutasteride because dutasteride is harmful to females.

*edit
acutally it's 6 months
*edit*

But yes at this point all we have to do on is that dihydrotestosterone is being blocked by dutasteride which was discontinued in MAY and is still blocking DHT formation some 5 months later. It's not impossible , just wierd...


Primordial Performance said:
Here is my hypothesis on the estrogen/bloat issue –

The 5-alpha reductase inhibitors reduced his dihydrotestosterone so much that estrogen was allowed to run rampant, increase fat tissue, and consequently increase aromatase tissue. DHT keeps estro in control, and when you remove DHT from the system, estrogen is allowed to pack-on all the fat tissue and subcutaneous water it possibly can. (Explaining the bloat)

Since estrogen has dominated his system for so long he has excessive aromatase (fatty) tissue in his body. The only way to counter this would be to supplement with high amounts of DHT. Of course, this would not help his hair loss condition.

-Pp
 
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