My 6 Month Phase Cycling Experiment....

[BionicBC]

Well not too many people had anything to say about my last post on phase cycling, but the logic seems sound. The only thing left to do, is TRY IT... (thanx ATLMuscles) Heres my idea:

GH @ 3-4 ius for 6 months (5 on, 2 off)

(Mavy and BigAndy, if youre reading, i bet you'll like these first 4 weeks...)
Week 1-2
1 amp Omnadren eod
30mg dbol ed
140mg NPP eod (.7cc)

Week 3-4
Test Prop 75-100mg ed
30mg dbol ed
140mg NPP eod

Week 5-8 (no AAS)
GH-3-4ius
Slin @ 8ius in the am, 12ius postworkout (on w/o days only, 4 days a week)
T3 @ 25 mcg ed

Week 9-12
Prop @ 75-100mg ed
Tren Ace @ 75mg ed
Winny @ 50mg ed

Week 13-16
GH @ 3-4ius ed
Slin @ 8iu am, 12iu postworkout (on w/o days only, 4 days a week)
T3 @ 25mcg ed

Week 17-20
Prop @ 75-100mg ed
Tren Ace @ 75mg ed
Winny @ 50mg ed
(same as week 9-12)

Week 20-24
GH-3-4ius
Slin @ 8ius in the am, 12ius postworkout (on w/o days only, 4 days a week)
T3 @ 25 mcg ed

For those who didnt read the post I had recently on Phase Cycling, its an alternative to running long cycles where you use non-AAS "mass builders" (slin, gh, IGF, exc) in between short & hard AAS runs so youre not on that see-saw of gaining/losing, gaining/losing. The idea being make your gains, maintain on the Gh/slin, exc, then make gains on top of those gains when you start back up. Im wondering if I should use Nolva during those off-times too as PCT.
Let the flames begin, but any suggestions/help would be appreciated. This is a "work-in-progress...."
Bionic

 

[cryptkeeper]

is this idea from BUILDING THE PERFECT BEAST?
looks interesting and very plausible, but i would probably cut the AAS phases down to 3 weeks and prolong the GH/t3/slin phases to 5 weeks. this way, your bodys getting a slightly longer break, and side effects from AAS are minimized a little more. but still, i think u should go for it as i cant see it not working just as good as a 12 weeker, and your retention of gains would prob be better. good luck.

 

[cryptkeeper]

but i do think u will be shut down the whole 6 months regardless, which isnt so cool in my book.

 

[ATLmuscles]

Here's the response I pm'd to Bionic. ANd you're right, it is from BTPB. I highly reccomend that book for anyone with a few years of AAS experience under their belts who are looking for continued growth. Like the same author's "Chemical Muscle Enhancement," the book lacks an index, which is a big oversight in a reference book. And it's pretty disorganized, with the author skipping around on a topic in numerous places in the book. That's wher the index would be helpful, so I have just made my own as I've gone through the book. But it is full of great information and ideas.

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Bionic,

SOrry I didn't respond, but I didn't see your post. I think your plan looks really good, but here are some questions/points:
-Why the dbol eod in weeks 3 and 4?? (I personally don't like rollercoastering my blood serum levels of a drug)
-THe plan I have is to "layer" the cycles over each other, so at week 3, I would stop the dbol, but I'd be begining the gh/slin phase, while still having AAS in my system. Then at week 4 (end of the AAS) I would be layering on a cortisol and estrogen suppression layer on top of the gh/slin layer. I could stop the slin after 4 weeks of use, but continue the GH while suppressing estrogen and adding in an HPTA regenerator like HCG.
-I do like your plan alot, but if you don't layer the one over the other, than maybe you should just keep running the dbol ed through week 4, perhaps reducing the dose as you near the end so you can get your balls online during your month off more quickly.

 

[Outtlaw]

Keep us posted on your results.

 

[BionicBC]

Here's the response I pm'd to Bionic. ANd you're right, it is from BTPB. I highly reccomend that book for anyone with a few years of AAS experience under their belts who are looking for continued growth. Like the same author's "Chemical Muscle Enhancement," the book lacks an index, which is a big oversight in a reference book. And it's pretty disorganized, with the author skipping around on a topic in numerous places in the book. That's wher the index would be helpful, so I have just made my own as I've gone through the book. But it is full of great information and ideas.

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Bionic,

SOrry I didn't respond, but I didn't see your post. I think your plan looks really good, but here are some questions/points:
-Why the dbol eod in weeks 3 and 4?? (I personally don't like rollercoastering my blood serum levels of a drug)
-THe plan I have is to "layer" the cycles over each other, so at week 3, I would stop the dbol, but I'd be begining the gh/slin phase, while still having AAS in my system. Then at week 4 (end of the AAS) I would be layering on a cortisol and estrogen suppression layer on top of the gh/slin layer. I could stop the slin after 4 weeks of use, but continue the GH while suppressing estrogen and adding in an HPTA regenerator like HCG.
-I do like your plan alot, but if you don't layer the one over the other, than maybe you should just keep running the dbol ed through week 4, perhaps reducing the dose as you near the end so you can get your balls online during your month off more quickly.

Yea, the dbol eod was a typo, the dbol is meant to be run ed.... I see your point on "lapping" the mini-cycles over each other. One good thing about that is at least for that last week of your AAS runs you'd be getting the synergy of AAS with gh & slin. And you think nolva/HCG during the 4 "off-AAS" weeks would be sufficient?
Well guys, its gonna be a few months, but I am gonna try this. This will be my next major cycle. I will keep you guys updated.
Bionic

 

[BionicBC]

but i do think u will be shut down the whole 6 months regardless, which isnt so cool in my book.

Even running HCG/Nolva during the "off-AAS" periods? I dont know...

 

[Makavelli]

Even running HCG/Nolva during the "off-AAS" periods? I dont know...

I'm always open to new ideas for continued growth however I don't think that this gives your body enough time to adapt and grow. I hope someone can prove me wrong. On the HCG thing the author seems to contradict himself. First he recommends phase cycling which is the aforementioned short cycles, but then when he recommends using HCG, clomid, nolva, he states that the clomid and nolva need to be run at least 3 weeks after your last hcg shot. This is because hcg by itself will shut down your balls. So if you start your hcg in the last week of the cycle run it for 2 weeks then run pct for another 3 that's a total of 5 weeks. You'd already be a week deep in your next "phase" by that time. Someone clear this up if you can. I have read this in Muscular Development as well as on BB.com.

 

[BionicBC]

I'm always open to new ideas for continued growth however I don't think that this gives your body enough time to adapt and grow. I hope someone can prove me wrong. On the HCG thing the author seems to contradict himself. First he recommends phase cycling which is the aforementioned short cycles, but then when he recommends using HCG, clomid, nolva, he states that the clomid and nolva need to be run at least 3 weeks after your last hcg shot. This is because hcg by itself will shut down your balls. So if you start your hcg in the last week of the cycle run it for 2 weeks then run pct for another 3 that's a total of 5 weeks. You'd already be a week deep in your next "phase" by that time. Someone clear this up if you can. I have read this in Muscular Development as well as on BB.com.

well how about running 500iu HCG on Mon, Wed, Fri all during cycle (or at least for 1st 3 weeks), then Nolva(and clomid if needed) during off times?
Bionic

 

[Makavelli]

well how about running 500iu HCG on Mon, Wed, Fri all during cycle (or at least for 1st 3 weeks), then Nolva(and clomid if needed) during off times?
Bionic

That could work. However there's evidence that the effects of HCG will attenuate with time. Maybe you should go w/o HCG and just use clomid. Even with clomid. I don't see how you'll be recovering with all those AAS lingering around in your system. Especially with the Omnadren. This author's theories sound good, but many of them are impractical. Some of the products he recommends are hard to find. I'm not saying that this doesn't work, but I have serious doubts. Keep us posted on your results.