Most overrated exercises.......

[guldukat]

SSAlexSS: I have Dorians Book "Blood and Guts"...and the only machines that he was using in them...were some old hardcore machines. Not the sissy ones I see today. The bic curl or tric pressdown machine will never be as effective as a bar or a dbell...never.

B True

Fuckin'-A!

Some machines are actually very good for bodybuilding, but Dorian didn't use lots of machines that had a barbell or DB analogue; e.g., the Nautilus Pullover machine. Awesome lat movement.

The only machine exercise King D did, to my knowledge, that I would frown on is the Smith machine squat; however, he did so for specific reasons.

 

[Rich_S]

Wow. You're the first person I've heard say that in a LONG time. What is your rationale?

The things I've heard against full range sit-ups are 1) they're bad for your back and 2) There's not that much stress on your abs the last bit of the way up so you might as well just do the "hard" part of the exercise.

Would like to hear the positives.

JC

All this nonsensical crap about situps being bad for you and crunches being the ideal exercise started when Legendary Abs was published by Health For Life back in the early 80's. Their basic premise was that situps and leg raises primarily worked the hip flexors and the abs were only synergists in those movements. That is true. However, the hip flexors are muscles that are involved in a wide range of movements both in weight lifting and in sport - you want to work them because you want them to be strong. That same idiotic book warned against doing side bends and twists because they might make your oblique muscles bigger and detract from your V-taper. God forbid a muscle should get bigger . The really scary part was that they targeted this book not only towards body builders, but towards boxers, martial artists, and other real athletes.

 

[Dangerous]

I disagree with SSAlexSS from my personal experience with compound exercises.

You guys doing the name calling are making yourselves look like idiots.

 

[Debaser]

Most overrated? Umm.. Ab machines and pec decs.

Btw don't dizz cable crossovers. I love to finnish of my pec workout on the cable. The feeling in my pecs are just awesome.

Yeah, even though pec deck and cable crossovers are also the same type of movement. You will hurt your shoulders, eventually. Just give it time. Who cares if the feeling in your pecs is awesome? Leg extensions are the same way for your quads--but they still suck ass.

 

[JOKER47]

Yeah, even though pec deck and cable crossovers are also the same type of movement. You will hurt your shoulders, eventually. Just give it time. Who cares if the feeling in your pecs is awesome? Leg extensions are the same way for your quads--but they still suck ass.

That's a pretty large blanket statement, and I disagree.

When I use to do more of a body building style of workout, I did cable cross-overs and/or DB fly's. There was never any pain in my shoulders.

If you are getting pain in your shoulders from those movements, I suspect you either have a pre-existing shoulder problem, really poor form, or your shoulders/rotator cuffs are way to weak. In which case, you need to work on your weakness.


.02,
Joker

 

[Lumberg]

All this nonsensical crap about situps being bad for you and crunches being the ideal exercise started when Legendary Abs was published by Health For Life back in the early 80's. Their basic premise was that situps and leg raises primarily worked the hip flexors and the abs were only synergists in those movements. That is true. However, the hip flexors are muscles that are involved in a wide range of movements both in weight lifting and in sport - you want to work them because you want them to be strong. That same idiotic book warned against doing side bends and twists because they might make your oblique muscles bigger and detract from your V-taper. God forbid a muscle should get bigger . The really scary part was that they targeted this book not only towards body builders, but towards boxers, martial artists, and other real athletes.

Well you learn something new every day.

But I do say that if you are working on aesthetics that you CAN make your obliques too big. Happened to me. I'm not fat by any means but it still looks kinda like I have love handles!

 

[Debaser]

That's a pretty large blanket statement, and I disagree.

When I use to do more of a body building style of workout, I did cable cross-overs and/or DB fly's. There was never any pain in my shoulders.

If you are getting pain in your shoulders from those movements, I suspect you either have a pre-existing shoulder problem, really poor form, or your shoulders/rotator cuffs are way to weak. In which case, you need to work on your weakness.


.02,
Joker

There may have not been pain in your shoulders. There wasn't any pain in mine. Just like many people squat with elevated heels for years without knee problems.

And you say more of a bodybuilding style of workout. As if somehow flyes will magically do more for your chest than a 400 lb bench. It holds about as much water as saying preacher curls add peak to your biceps.

 

[Rich_S]

It holds about as much water as saying preacher curls add peak to your biceps.

Everyone knows that preacher curls develop the peak of your biceps just like cable crossovers develop your inner chest and higher reps with any exercise bring out the cuts.

 

[Baoh]

Everyone knows that preacher curls develop the peak of your biceps just like cable crossovers develop your inner chest and higher reps with any exercise bring out the cuts.

lmao

 

[JOKER47]

There may have not been pain in your shoulders. There wasn't any pain in mine. Just like many people squat with elevated heels for years without knee problems.

So, please make your point. You were mentioning how bad they are for shoulders, and neither you nor I had a problem. So, where are you getting your information that they are so bad? Any lift done incorrectly will hurt you.

And you say more of a bodybuilding style of workout. As if somehow flyes will magically do more for your chest than a 400 lb bench. It holds about as much water as saying preacher curls add peak to your biceps.

Meaning, my overall goals were different, and the goal of each workout was different. Similiar to our different training plans. Yours (DC) targeted toards bodybuilding. Mine (modified WSB) targeted towards power lifting/strength training.
How many power lifters or strongmen do you know do preacher curls or flys? How many bodybuilders do you know who do? That's my point.

.02,
Joker