Most overrated exercises.......

[Debaser]

So, please make your point. You were mentioning how bad they are for shoulders, and neither you nor I had a problem. So, where are you getting your information that they are so bad? Any lift done incorrectly will hurt you.



Meaning, my overall goals were different, and the goal of each workout was different. Similiar to our different training plans. Yours (DC) targeted toards bodybuilding. Mine (modified WSB) targeted towards power lifting/strength training.
How many power lifters or strongmen do you know do preacher curls or flys? How many bodybuilders do you know who do? That's my point.

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Joker

Here's one such article: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt20.htm

I've seen quite a few but that's the only one I had the location of off hand.

It doesn't matter what your goal is. If you want hypertrophy, flyes suck. If you want chest strength, flyes suck. Bench presses or dips are far superior. And most bodybuilders have little idea what they're doing. Powerlifters, in general, have a much better grasp on things.

 

[JOKER47]

Here's one such article: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt20.htm

I've seen quite a few but that's the only one I had the location of off hand.

It doesn't matter what your goal is. If you want hypertrophy, flyes suck. If you want chest strength, flyes suck. Bench presses or dips are far superior. And most bodybuilders have little idea what they're doing. Powerlifters, in general, have a much better grasp on things.

Interesting article. I see yur point if you do flys on an incline. I always did mine on a flat bench. Following the article, flast seems to be far "safer".

Personally, I disagree with you as far a flys sucking for hypertrophy. As a finishing move for me, it provoded a great pump, and put my chest at total exhaustion for the end of my workout. For strength, I agree with you totally. No point in doing them.

I won't comment on the last statement as that is a very strong and blanket comment which I do not want to be a part of. No offense.

Good debate.

Joker

 

[gonelifting]

500 situps a day because "I just want to get rid of this spare tire"