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Minicycling: Considering Non-Traditional cycling Method
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Honestly the first thing I thought after reading the first post was that IT IS IRONIC. "Considering non-traditional cycling method" is just a way to avoid saying "help on short cycles", which would be too much of a concession to make. Silent, don't take this personally (I think you made good points in some of the previous "Nelson vs Silent debates", but if there is one thing that Nelson seems to stand for above everything else (no cardio, no clomid, etc) is the use of short cycles. So the most likely thing is that even if you don't want to take Nelson's advice, anyone who gives advice on this subject is probably giving Nelson's advice with a twist from personal experience. Plus what's so wrong about selling something? Everyone has to sell something to make a living, the question is if what you're selling is good or not, be it a book or AF supplements.
Ok so Silent and Nelson don't get along, no need to elaborate on that anymore. Everyone, please don't turn this shit into a flame fest because it gets old really fast and it takes up too much space making it harder to find valuable information.
Ok so Silent and Nelson don't get along, no need to elaborate on that anymore. Everyone, please don't turn this shit into a flame fest because it gets old really fast and it takes up too much space making it harder to find valuable information.
Silent Method
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chaos mage, yep, about 9 weeks post-cycle for acne to fully clear. Interesting, the acne does not seem to hit me until well into a cycle - like after 7 weeks! Something to think about.
BigAndy69, a big part of me agrees with you. Shut down is shut down - and it does not take long to happen. Short, repeated cycles shut you down over and over again. However, part of me cannot dismiss the logical effect of duration. Just as our physical adaptations retrogress in during periods of detraining in proportion to the duration of detraining, it seems logical that the duration of HTPA suppression would have a bearing on the extent of negative HTPA adaptation. Your thoughts?
Anakin, first the entire point of my thread was to ask for opinions on short cycle methods! Go back and reread it. I make no bones about it. My title, specifically the use of the word "minicycling" was made in the attempt to get some attention so a greater number of people would duck inside an offer an opinion.
In regard to Nelson, no, I don't think making a buck is bad. I do think that doing it without integrity is bad. If I stumble across something he contributed that I can apply I wouldn't blindly reject it. The truth is I don't trust the man and I simply will not solicit information from him.
Nelson - Yes, I'd sooner trust someone who had not yet proven themselves a fraud than trust you.
BigAndy69, a big part of me agrees with you. Shut down is shut down - and it does not take long to happen. Short, repeated cycles shut you down over and over again. However, part of me cannot dismiss the logical effect of duration. Just as our physical adaptations retrogress in during periods of detraining in proportion to the duration of detraining, it seems logical that the duration of HTPA suppression would have a bearing on the extent of negative HTPA adaptation. Your thoughts?
Anakin, first the entire point of my thread was to ask for opinions on short cycle methods! Go back and reread it. I make no bones about it. My title, specifically the use of the word "minicycling" was made in the attempt to get some attention so a greater number of people would duck inside an offer an opinion.
In regard to Nelson, no, I don't think making a buck is bad. I do think that doing it without integrity is bad. If I stumble across something he contributed that I can apply I wouldn't blindly reject it. The truth is I don't trust the man and I simply will not solicit information from him.
Nelson - Yes, I'd sooner trust someone who had not yet proven themselves a fraud than trust you.
Silent Method
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No worry bro. Feel free to voice your opinion. Mid november huh? Perhaps I'll run something simultaneously and we'll compare results.Anakin said:
ruffian3
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I just finished up a three weeker of prop only 100mgs eod. Gained 10lbs on cycle and kept all of it with no clomid rather avena/nettle/maca/trib/proviron post cycle. Three weeks later and still going strong with no loss in strength or size. I will do it again in another month or so.
Nelson, no flame intended, but can you show us an example of your published works on the topic or provide us with a link so we could look at it.
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Nelson, no flame intended, but can you show us an example of your published works on the topic or provide us with a link so we could look at it.
Nelson - Yes, I'd sooner trust someone who had not yet proven themselves a fraud than trust you. [/B][/QUOTE]
Okay then. That's all I need to know. You admit you aren't interested in learning, just disagreeing with me, even if you're wrong. Fine. We're cool.
ruffien: Personally I think it's a little degrading having to prove myself at every turn. I'm not some kid out of nowhere, but there are a few fools who keep trying to make it out to be so. I'm not sure why that BS is allowed, but...
Nevertheless, I developed the 3 week cycle concept back in 97 (publshed in 98, I believe) called "Steroids For Health." Now, I'm going to tell you right now, it has many flaws and incaccuarcies and even a couple of flat out bunders in it. But realize, back then, everything did -- Ducaines stuff, WAR, Phillips stuff. This is 8 years ago and there was no internet library, little written material and Fonz was graduating from the 10th grade. But with all its foibles, the basic advice of the SFH concept is sound and still holds up. I did an update on that original piece in my new book, BottomLine Bodybuilding, and show why we had the misconceptions we did and what we've learned since.
I'm not boasting about it. I just thought it was funny that the guy who just spent the past week dismissing my knowledge asked about something in which I pioneered. That's all. Come on! It's ironic! And it's poetic because what better way for him to look foolish? It's like asking the kid at P.C. Richards about a computor and BIll Gates tries to help and tellin him; fuck off asshole, I need advice from someone who knows what they're doing! Okay, maybe that's not the best analogy, but you know what I mean. ; )
Look...everyone...can we stop this nonsense? Stop jumping on me and then accuse me of polluting the thread. If you're really not interested in what I have to say, ignore it. You just look like a jackass when you accuse me of not doing something that is a matter of record. If Silent Method is comfortable with his ignorance, I'm fine with that. No flames. Peace.
Okay then. That's all I need to know. You admit you aren't interested in learning, just disagreeing with me, even if you're wrong. Fine. We're cool.
ruffien: Personally I think it's a little degrading having to prove myself at every turn. I'm not some kid out of nowhere, but there are a few fools who keep trying to make it out to be so. I'm not sure why that BS is allowed, but...
Nevertheless, I developed the 3 week cycle concept back in 97 (publshed in 98, I believe) called "Steroids For Health." Now, I'm going to tell you right now, it has many flaws and incaccuarcies and even a couple of flat out bunders in it. But realize, back then, everything did -- Ducaines stuff, WAR, Phillips stuff. This is 8 years ago and there was no internet library, little written material and Fonz was graduating from the 10th grade. But with all its foibles, the basic advice of the SFH concept is sound and still holds up. I did an update on that original piece in my new book, BottomLine Bodybuilding, and show why we had the misconceptions we did and what we've learned since.
I'm not boasting about it. I just thought it was funny that the guy who just spent the past week dismissing my knowledge asked about something in which I pioneered. That's all. Come on! It's ironic! And it's poetic because what better way for him to look foolish? It's like asking the kid at P.C. Richards about a computor and BIll Gates tries to help and tellin him; fuck off asshole, I need advice from someone who knows what they're doing! Okay, maybe that's not the best analogy, but you know what I mean. ; )
Look...everyone...can we stop this nonsense? Stop jumping on me and then accuse me of polluting the thread. If you're really not interested in what I have to say, ignore it. You just look like a jackass when you accuse me of not doing something that is a matter of record. If Silent Method is comfortable with his ignorance, I'm fine with that. No flames. Peace.
ruffian3
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Nelson, I'm not trying to put you down or make you prove anything. I just wanted to read it. Your posts are the reason I tried the short cycle and I can honestly say that it worked really well for me. I even tried your proviron/avena/maca/trib/nettle post cycle and absolutely loved it as well. So I'm glad that i got the chance to read your posts on both of those topics.
Silent Method, from my experience, I feel short cycles are not useful for the serious bodybuilders,
I have a very specific way of cycling.
I use Heavy doses for about 8-10 weeks and then slowly go down until I'm using Anavar only. My cycle last between 12-16 weeks.
I do most of my growing the first 7-9 weeks., the last weeks are designed to "solidify" those gains, basically allowing my body to get use to the weight I've gained and then to make sure I don't crash too hard
For example, it would be similar to this:
W1-4: Dbol: 25mg ED
W1-8: Nandrolone Phenylprop: 525mg a week
W1-8: Test Enanthate: 750mg a week
W9-12: Test Prop: 700mg a week
W11-14: Anavar: 40mg ED
W15: PCT
Now as far as dieting goes, short cycle are great.
Something like this:
Diet:
W1-2: Natural
W3: Prop
W4: Prop
W5: Anavar
W6: Anavar... etc
I know guys who were doing short cycles in the eighties, nothing new.
I have a very specific way of cycling.
I use Heavy doses for about 8-10 weeks and then slowly go down until I'm using Anavar only. My cycle last between 12-16 weeks.
I do most of my growing the first 7-9 weeks., the last weeks are designed to "solidify" those gains, basically allowing my body to get use to the weight I've gained and then to make sure I don't crash too hard
For example, it would be similar to this:
W1-4: Dbol: 25mg ED
W1-8: Nandrolone Phenylprop: 525mg a week
W1-8: Test Enanthate: 750mg a week
W9-12: Test Prop: 700mg a week
W11-14: Anavar: 40mg ED
W15: PCT
Now as far as dieting goes, short cycle are great.
Something like this:
Diet:
W1-2: Natural
W3: Prop
W4: Prop
W5: Anavar
W6: Anavar... etc
I know guys who were doing short cycles in the eighties, nothing new.
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