Men have NO RIGHTS.

[jennifer BFL chick]

I have to say after reading this entire thread, I have changed my views a little.

I have always been on the fence on this issue anyhow.....

But its interesting to take a look from the males side....

But either way, I don't understand why people feel the need to have random sex and not think about the consequences?

 

[starfish]

It's a sticky subject... If a man were given the right to say wether a woman could have an abortion or not, it would just lead to the woman not telling him. I'm willing to bet there are men on this board who have gotten a woman pregnant and will never know.

If the government stepped in, women would just have back alley abortions.

I feel for the men, but I guess it what happens in today's view of casual sex, independence, etc.. What alternatives are there??

 

[polarpixie]

too much to write...but I'll try to be concise.

I think that as 2 sentient, mature adults, the people invovled shoud be able to come to a fair compromise depending on the situation without having to bring in the law. I find it very sad that it was necessary for her to take him to court to resolve this issue. To me, this is is very clearly an issue of social and personal obligations that a parent should have the decency to fulfill without even the need to bring the law in as enforecement. In other words, this is simply an issue of basic human decency.

As far as legal rights go, I compare child support to littering fines. If you are caught littering on the highways, you can be fined a substantial amount. The way I see it, if a man gets a woman pregnant and for whatever reason, medical, personal, or religious, she decides to keep the baby -- he is basically littering on society if he tries to weasel out of taking care of that child, and so yes, he should be fined.

A couple of other points:

1. It was not an easy decision. A woman put her body thru 9 months of torture, knowing that the father may never provide any emotional or financial support. And if she was hoping for child support, and she can read and write, she probably already knows that it will be like pulling teeth to get any financial support from him. So unless she is a sucker for pain and torture, I don't think she was hoping that by getting pregnant, it would be her ticket to financial freedom.

2. It does not matter who did not want the baby. If he had gotten genital herpes instead of a woman pregnant, he'd be unhappy about the outcome, but, what matters is how he will take care of it. He made the choice to sleep with someone he didn't care about, and consequently his baby has been brought into the world and he should have enough human decency to make sure that the baby is taken care of.

3. Child support. The thing about child support is that it should cover just that, the amount of money it costs to keep that child clothed, schooled, fed, sheltered. That way no one can sit there and accuse the receiver of being a money grubber. If she is capable of caring for that child without the absentee father/bastard then child support should be minimal and should be deposited to a savings account in the child's name not to be accessed by anyone other than the child.

4. The father's rights. After the child is born, his rights becomes the same as that of the child's and the mothers -- the right to make sure that his offspring is taken well care of.



Just my pov.

 

[dballer]

It may be worth having your nuts clipped and just adopt a kid.

 

[Ronin738]

pregnancy

Stuff like this happens all the time. Sorry just read this thread today. I never wanted children and when i say i never wanted children i meant it. I like to work and go where i wanna go when i wanna go there. Any way i had a one night stand 5 years ago that produced a son. I thoght no big deal. I'm a grown man i can handle this and at least if i was going to have one kid it was a boy.
Fade to two years ago. I'd had a steady girlfriend for about 6 months and we had moved in together. Did all the responsible stuff like having the aids test so that she could go on the pill and we could stop using condoms. Her idea by the way. Three months later she tells me that she's pregnant. Ran out of bc pills and hadn't had time to get anymore and neglected to tell me. I was super pissed but i'm not the kind of guy that believes in abortion. I believe in the right to do it -just not in my right to tell someone to do it.
Anyway a friend of ours comes forward and tells me that my girlfriend had talked to her about having a kid and she was bummed because she knew that i didn't want anymore. We had talked about it and i had told her that if she wanted kids she needed to find somebody else. She said that she understood. At least i thought she did. Didn't take me long to see that this had probably been planned. I decided to stick with her because i don't run away from stuff but i also decided to take matters into my own hands.
I went and saw a urologist and had a vasectomy.I didn't tell her about it until i came home, balls all swollen and went straigtht to bed. Needless to say, she wasn't happy. I explained how i wasn't happy about being a father again and i was gonna make damn sure it didn't happen again. Anyway, we had a beautiful baby girl that i love more than anything in the world.
Of course things didn't work out with her mom. Magically, she ended up pregnant again about half a year ago. The first thing i did was see a doctor who confirmed that i was still shooting blanks. The second thing i did was go home and dump her ass.
the moral of the story is men should be responsible for their actions but women are not always innocent. It's a lot easier to get fucked over by a woman that you've known for a long time than it is on one on a one night stand. Either way, put yourself first and don't take a chance. Wear a condom or get your nuts cut. It didn't hurt that bad. I was in the gym the next day.

 

[gwl9dta4]

I find it a disturbing trend, that so many women when confronted with this issue are quick to say

1. Get a vesectomy- which is pretty much irreversible
2. Get your nuts clipped.

There are also other similar statements said and they are very disturbing and show the inherent lack of respect people like Oprah, Rosie and Organizations like NOW have perpetuated toward the male.

There is always talk about the physical torture women go through when pregnant, well guess what, most of that torture is in their head. The female body was DESIGNED to carry life. Let's stop with the stupid femenist crap, and let's stop crying for recognition for things we are supposed to do.

In the pregnancy cases the female is just as much to blame as the male, if she is not wise enough to choose a partner that will provide or does not want to get pregnant let her have her tubes tied, at least that is reversible.
Another thing to all the women that say keep it in your pants, Man yould keep it in their pants if the ladies kept their legs closed, simple as that, and here is a news flash, both genders enjoy sex strictly for pleasure only and don't want kids.


Sincerely

 

[Spruceman]

Remember this thread if you get the urge to wonder why some men are gay!!!

 

[polarpixie]

There is always talk about the physical torture women go through when pregnant, well guess what, most of that torture is in their head.

That is interesting. Is there new research that I don't know about which shows that *most* of the physical symptoms and pain pregnant women are just 'in their head'?

You mean in a period of about 9 months, pregnant women imagine their hormones to be out of whack causing all kinds of havoc on their bodies? You mean they imagine morning sickness, intermittent nausea, and fatigue? You mean they imagine feeling like they have to go to the bathroom every 10 mins because their uterus is imaginarily pressing up against their baldder? You mean they are only imagining that their breasts feel like they are going to explode in pain and their back feels like it's breaking because they are carrying imaginary extra weight on their bellies now? You mean it really does not hurt when something that is 4x the size of their vagina cavity is pushing their way out of her body? Should I continue? Whether women's bodies are designed to carry babies or not not exclude the agony that goes along with that privilege. IMO, making a statement like that just makes you sound like an angry man making false and inaccurate accusations.

In the pregnancy cases the female is just as much to blame as the male.

Agreed. This is the reason why both of them should shoulder the responsibilities of everything that comes along with that. Any recognition of parental duties is better than none at all, and if they're gonna bitch and moan about it, at least don't ever let the child hear about it.


That's all....

 

[bunnymt]

You mean in a period of about 9 months, pregnant women imagine their hormones to be out of whack causing all kinds of havoc on their bodies, morning sickness, intermittent nausea, and fatigue.... they have to go to the bathroom every 10 mins because their uterus is imaginarily pressing up against their baldder... their breasts feel like they are going to explode in pain and their back feels like it's breaking because they are carrying imaginary extra weight on their bellies now... something that is 4x the size of their vagina cavity is pushing their way out of her body... Should I continue?

No. With all of those terrible physical ailments, it is very suprising to me that the human species has survived thousands of years of evolution...

 

[polarpixie]

No. With all of those terrible physical ailments, it is very suprising to me that the human species has survived thousands of years of evolution...

Thank God for tough women.