Making changes to how Karma works - we want your feedback.

[blut wump]

New system is good. Lot of crying yesterday, today and probably also tomorrow, but after few months no one cares. Crybabies have stopped crying, "I'm leaving" members are still here and e-life goes on.

New system is bad. OK maybe too strong. I'll settle for 'inferior' but I'd prefer 'shite'. 'Good' just doesn't apply.

Swole is now no longer Plat so we've lost the half of the motive force in the Bookie Forum which has slowed too.

A big fun aspect has died. That the new crowd will be mostly unaware of what they're missing is hardly relevant. Time will tell whether this leads to more or fewer Plat memberships.

The crying is going to slow since mostly everyone has said their piece and been ignored, except for Digger popping in to offer ridicule.

COTBs and Mods seem to be running on the old system so even the Uppers don't see the new system as good for everyone. Are we to assume that COTBs are getting a worse deal than everyone else in this repect or maybe we'd be right in assuming the new system isn't 'good'.

 

[pintoca]

Lots of good bros getting angry over K.

and SuperQT, we all know what is it that you use the search button for

 

[perkele]

New system is bad. OK maybe too strong. I'll settle for 'inferior' but I'd prefer 'shite'. 'Good' just doesn't apply.

Swole is now no longer Plat so we've lost the half of the motive force in the Bookie Forum which has slowed too.

A big fun aspect has died. That the new crowd will be mostly unaware of what they're missing is hardly relevant. Time will tell whether this leads to more or fewer Plat memberships.

The crying is going to slow since mostly everyone has said their piece and been ignored, except for Digger popping in to offer ridicule.

COTBs and Mods seem to be running on the old system so even the Uppers don't see the new system as good for everyone. Are we to assume that COTBs are getting a worse deal than everyone else in this repect or maybe we'd be right in assuming the new system isn't 'good'.

3 years ago there were totally different guys doing the K whoring. Most stopped the K whoring and they're still here. They moved on.

Let me tell you by experience, most of you 3rd generation K whores are still here in 2008, and beyond.

 

[blut wump]

Whoring isn't the issue, for me at least. I like giving out K and I like to receive it and maybe I've been a little freer with it than many.

Now, I repeatedly find myself wanting to give K to posts and stopping because I know it comes from my own stash.

I readily admit that a lot of my hits have gone to people rather than posts but many went to posts or to encourage people who regularly and frequently make good helpful posts since I couldn't hit all of their many good posts, typically in the training forum or in the aas forum.

We went though this several times in the main discussion earlier in this thread and in Rick's thread prior to this one. K is social cement and this recent change inhibits hitting. There were better solutions.

 

[H_T_]

well, as the Lenny Bruce of EF, that karma was the $$$ and free drinks i'd get in a night....might as well take my pork pie hat, toss it on the ground & hope for mostly quarters.

 

[blut wump]

HumanTarget is a fine example of someone I'd hit from time to time. I couldn't put my finger on any individual post of his that I'd say is a good post. However, when I see the trend and nature of his posts I find I enjoy the fact that he posts. As such, I'd hit him with green from time to time. Really just as a way of saying "Hi, I enjoy your work".

This whole idea of not hitting people and only hitting "good posts" is not how we have tended to use Karma and is not conducive to maximising the existance of Karma to promote social interaction on the chat board.

 

[H_T_]

HumanTarget is a fine example of someone I'd hit from time to time. I couldn't put my finger on any individual post of his that I'd say is a good post. However, when I see the trend and nature of his posts I find I enjoy the fact that he posts. As such, I'd hit him with green from time to time. Really just as a way of saying "Hi, I enjoy your work".

This whole idea of not hitting people and only hitting "good posts" is not how we have tended to use Karma and is not conducive to maximising the existance of Karma to promote social interaction on the chat board.

"And a good day to you to, Sir."

 

[Gymgurl]

HumanTarget is a fine example of someone I'd hit from time to time. I couldn't put my finger on any individual post of his that I'd say is a good post. However, when I see the trend and nature of his posts I find I enjoy the fact that he posts. As such, I'd hit him with green from time to time. Really just as a way of saying "Hi, I enjoy your work".

This whole idea of not hitting people and only hitting "good posts" is not how we have tended to use Karma and is not conducive to maximising the existance of Karma to promote social interaction on the chat board.

This I would have to agree with!

 

[slat1]

We get new Plat members everyday, and if someone doesn't wanna renew his/hers Plat because we put an end to K whoring then so what?

I am letting my plat membership run out. So what? Its money out of GS's pocket. I would think that would be of interest. Thats what.

 

[slat1]

If you go back and read through a lot of these posts you can see why the members are not happy. We were asked for our input as platinum members. Our input seems to have been ignored.
Further, there is a lack of professionalism with some of the mods and admins who have jobs with Elite.
I don't know who designed the new system. From the defensive posting I am assuming admins and mods had a hand in it.
We keep hearing "its just green dots" "its no big deal" My question would be then if its no big deal why change the system?
The bottom line is that those who designed the new system are taking money out of GS's pocket by people letting their plat memberships lapse. Next to no one is giving Karma for good posts either.
The system is less efficient now then before. Sometimes ideas don't work. Instead of digging in and being oblivious to the concerns out there take a look at those concerns and see if they can be fixed.
Everyone is here because they like the site for one feature or another. I don't see why this can't be worked out so that everyone is happy.
Right now minimizing peoples concerns and making petty comments is rubbing paying members the wrong way. Enough so that their sponsorship of the site is ending.