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Red Karma - What Plans?

blut wump

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I think very few members are happy about the current state of affairs with Red K, neither those feeling that it's the only way to spread nor those on the receiving end of gratuitous bombs crapping on their user panel.

The site seems to be in a quandary how to resolve this issue so post up your suggestions.

I'd suggest, firstly, that Red comes from your stash just the same as Green does. I can't think of any good reason that Red should be free other than bombing spammers. Since we have the "Report Bad Post" icon and everyone is now accustomed to highlighting posts or has disabled the 'owned.gif', anyway, this is no longer a good reason.

Related to this is the aspect of spreading and Karma taxation.

Currently, non-Plats pay a 50% tax on making a Green Hit: only half of what they lose reaches the recipient. The Store only charges 30%. The extra is unreasonable and yet another inhibition on hitting.

Removing having to spread has been suggested as desirable by many members. I'd suggest putting the 10% tax on hits and removing the need to spread.

In conjuction with this, I'd like to see the tax on Red hits, assuming they'd then be charged for, increased to closer to 90%, if possible.


Post your suggestions. Let's try to get this system functional for everyone.

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I'd also suggest that, besides the 90% taxation on bombs, there be no variable percentage. If you really want to bomb someone then it ought to hurt the sender.

Further Edit:
For those feeling they need to spread Red until the system changes again, please take a look at this thread:
No Need to Spread Red - Use The Casino
 
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I think the red bombs are so stupid,whats really the point of it all? Its like ill red him hes cool WTF most know there all ready cool...Everyone thats red me has never event gave my green in a year.Just a reason to bomb people is all it is.
Truely shows how boring the site as become when people start doing dum shit to amuse themselfs. Hell i know less just black out all the cool people for like a week just because theres nothing better to do on here...Now if that sounds stupid to you,then you see my point!
 
I concur with ozzy. I'm a grown gal who cares little for the HS antics, and the constant bombs just make it hard to read around here.

Moreover, all anyone ever talks about is the state of affairs on green and red f'in dots. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I gotta wonder what a man has in his pants when his form of amusement is repeatedly bombing the same person a million times or bombing every non-plat they can find with such clever notes as "good bro bomb."

Damn, read a newspaper or go see a movie some of you so we have something interesting/fun to talk about.

Let's get real, too. I'm sure lots of us, including myself, post on lots of other bulletin boards that are free. So, how does someone get a larger paying customer database when they run a website? CONTENT! That's how. You have to have fresh, current, and frequently updated CONTENT -- not green f'in DOTS. I could afford plat or even COB if I saw any benefit to protecting green dots, but I don't. GS, you better win me over with CONTENT. I don't just throw money away for dot protection...lol. COB would be around $75 dollars/month. For that sort of moolah, you better have content I couldn't get anywhere else and maybe a gift certificate for Blut Wump to give me a pedicure or something. ;-)
 
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HeatherRae said:
I concur with ozzy. I'm a grown gal and the constant bombs just make it hard to read around here.

Moreover, all anyone ever talks about is the state of affairs on green and red f'in dots. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I gotta wonder what a man has in his pants when his form of amusement is repeatedly bombing the same person a million times or bombing every non-plat they can find with such clever notes as "good bro bomb."

Damn, read a newspaper or go see a movie some of you so we have something interesting/fun to talk about.

Let's get real, too. I'm sure lots of us, including myself, post on lots of other bulletin boards that are free. So, how does someone get a larger paying customer database when they run a website? CONTENT! That's how. You have to have fresh, current, and frequently updated CONTENT -- not green f'in DOTS. I could afford plat or even COB if I saw any benefit to protecting green dots, but I don't. GS, you better win me over with CONTENT. I don't just throw money away for dot protection...lol.
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Clean your box out woman! :)
 
Personally, the blackouts don't bother me since I've blocked the 'owned' image. Browsing the site and seeing the grubby, little red-K bombs where someone has daubed on another member's user panel just from a sense of sociopathic self-interest is very offensive to me, though.

It makes the site feel unpleasant in a dirty, perverted manner as though the site is tolerating members spitting in other member's faces and is an issue that needs to be dealt with asap.
 
blut wump said:
Personally, the blackouts don't bother me since I've blocked the 'owned' image. Browsing the site and seeing the grubby, little red-K bombs where someone has daubed on another member's user panel just from a sense of sociopathic self-interest is very offensive to me, though.

It makes the site feel unpleasant in a dirty, perverted manner as though the site is tolerating members spitting in other member's faces and is an issue that needs to be dealt with asap.
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I concur with you, Blut. Although I am surprised by the sentiment, being that you seemed to endorse the same behavior recently.
 
I did spend a couple of days when I was more willing than ever before to give a red hit. I toyed with the idea of spreading red but couldn't bring myself to hit a member with red 'just to spread'. You got caught in the couple of days when I was feeling sensitive and prepared to shoot first. I think you were one of two.

I even spent a day looking for dead accounts to spread on but that finally convinced me of the insanity of the situation and I accepted a retirement from any "K-Game".

Bombing someone just to fill your 30 hits quota for the day is pretty damned puerile.
 
blut wump said:
I did spend a couple of days when I was more willing than ever before to give a red hit. I toyed with the idea of spreading red but couldn't bring myself to hit a member with red 'just to spread'. You got caught in the couple of days when I was feeling sensitive and prepared to shoot first. I think you were one of two.

I even spent a day looking for dead accounts to spread on but that finally convinced me of the insanity of the situation and I accepted a retirement from any "K-Game".

Bombing someone just to fill your 30 hits quota for the day is pretty damned puerile.
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I see! Well, glad you came back over from the dark side. =-)
 
the majority of the hits i get now are red, this is a huge change from getting around 40,000 in green per day.

I don't really care. Whatever the karma rules are I will work within those parameters.
 
As I mentioned earlier: sociopathic behaviour.

Why does the site tolerate this?

Where are the ones to police this?
 
blut wump said:
As I mentioned earlier: sociopathic behaviour.

Why does the site tolerate this?

Where are the ones to police this?
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Perkele has been saying the exact same thing about karma whoring for a very long time now.

Finally the site did something to change that.

And now people have a whole new batch of "problems" to complain about.

I say "problems" in quotes because honestly, how many people here really consider red karma and bombs to be a problem? I mean seriously.
 
count what? people who really care? go ahead, you could count them on one hand.
 
The problems here haven't changed at all. It's just that you were contained for a while.

You've been a blight on this community for a very long time, sowing dissent and unrest. You offer nothing here that is worth having and it would be a boon to see you removed.
 
blut wump = the new bluepeter!

Every since Brothabill left I've been lacking an arch nemesis, I feel complete again.

Its just sad that you have to make yourself look so stupid in the process, find a better axe to grind, a grown man getting upset over red karma almost makes ME feel sorry for you.

Surely you have a family, job, or something else you can devote some energy towards, something productive, anything???
 
Lestat said:
blut wump = the new bluepeter!

Every since Brothabill left I've been lacking an arch nemesis, I feel complete again.

Its just sad that you have to make yourself look so stupid in the process, find a better axe to grind, a grown man getting upset over red karma almost makes ME feel sorry for you.

Surely you have a family, job, or something else you can devote some energy towards, something productive, anything???
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What are you drivelling about now? You seem to be oblivious to the discussion going on around you.

We're discussing the community and the sense of spirit within it. The things which hold this site together. Surely you can't have been blind to it all this time.
 
blut wump said:
What are you drivelling about now? You seem to be oblivious to the discussion going on around you.

We're discussing the community and the sense of spirit within it. The things which hold this site together. Surely you can't have been blind to it all this time.
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Oh no I'm not blind to that at all.

I think you forget who you are speaking to here. I've worked personally with George on dfifferent ways to promote the site. I wrote a PM on e-flirting to try an promote the gift certificate system.

I've paid hundreds of dollars to the site in membership fees for myself and other members.

I've supported the sponsors of this site to the tune of $1000+.

I've welcomed EF members in to my home when they visit from other cities.

I've attended larger EF meetups with multiple members.

I've made some genuine friends from this site who I keep in contact with a regular basis off of the boards.

I have been critical of the site at times, but always supportive, although not blindly.

What you are doing is nothing new. I'm well liked, but not by everyone. But who wants to be liked by everyone? Not me. I try to associate with the genuine, honest, and intelligent people of the board, and there are many of them.

The funny thing is, I cannot recall ever once discussing karma or bombs with a member in person. Its just not something significant in most people's lives.

I got a great karma message (green) from Samoth aka Samote the other day. I hope he doesn't mind me posting it, but I think it sums things up pretty nicely

"Seriously, I think we're the only ones who recognize this as a GAME, even though we play different sides, lol... it what makes the board fun and entertaining!"


Key word there bro is "GAME" Karma GAMES. This is why you don't see it on any other forum except C&C, its a game, and the sooner you come to accept that, the better your life will be. Go ahead and grind your axe, its entertaining in its own right, but at a certain point I think people will just beg for it all to stop to spare you any more embarrasment.
 
blut wump said:
I'd suggest, firstly, that Red comes from your stash just the same as Green does. I can't think of any good reason that Red should be free other than bombing spammers.
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Well, the purpose of the recent changes was to put a halt to karma inflation. Red karma isn't inflationary, so why should it cost?
 
Mr. dB said:
Well, the purpose of the recent changes was to put a halt to karma inflation. Red karma isn't inflationary, so why should it cost?
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exactly. As it stands, red karma already takes K out of the system, why make it take any more?
 
What a fucking load of bullshit.

Answer me these little tidbits lestat.

How many times have you hit me with green in the past 3 years vs. the number of times you have bombed me in the past two days?

How many of your 'spreading' red hits have been to platinum members?

Why exactly does your plat alter also need to 'spread' bombs?

Why does your plat alter continue to do this shit even after Digger warned you not to?



Please stop insulting our intelligence with your 'holier than thou' horseshit. You are doing what you are doing because you perceive the new system to be an excuse for you to return to your adolescent games designed to annoy.
 
bluepeter said:
What a fucking load of bullshit.

Answer me these little tidbits lestat.

How many times have you hit me with green in the past 3 years vs. the number of times you have bombed me in the past two days?

How many of your 'spreading' red hits have been to platinum members?

Why exactly does your plat alter also need to 'spread' bombs?

Why does your plat alter continue to do this shit even after Digger warned you not to?



Please stop insulting our intelligence with your 'holier than thou' horseshit. You are doing what you are doing because you perceive the new system to be an excuse for you to return to your adolescent games designed to annoy.
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agree 100% on all that was posted here.

Lestat, the sad thing is that you think you are a great asset to elite, when really all you do (and your alter) is just annoy people.

please call in an "iron cocks" meeting to discuss this
 
bluepeter said:
Answer me these little tidbits lestat.

How many times have you hit me with green in the past 3 years vs. the number of times you have bombed me in the past two days?

How many of your 'spreading' red hits have been to platinum members?

Why exactly does your plat alter also need to 'spread' bombs?

Why does your plat alter continue to do this shit even after Digger warned you not to?
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I can only recall hitting you with green once. Why? I don't like most of your posts, especially the ones directed at me, they are generally negative and derogatory. How many times have I bombed you? Not enough.

How many red hits have been to platinum members? Maybe 2-3 in the last week. I try not to hit platinum members for two reasons.
1) a red hit does not leave a bomb on a platinum member
2) platinum members support the site which I respect.

I leave 10% red hits to non plats too, the goal for me is not to detract from the karma, that is an unfortunate side effect, the goal is to leave a bomb and a message.

Why does my plat alter bomb?
Because that was WHY IT WAS CREATED! I actually setup that account over the phone with admin, I said exactly why I wanted the account. The response was "<laughter> you guys are eating this bomb shit up!"

its pay to play buddy, I pay, so I play.

Do you go to restuarants to take a shit, but not buy anything, and then complain that the bathroom is dirty?
 
Lestat said:
I can only recall hitting you with green once. Why? I don't like most of your posts, especially the ones directed at me, they are generally negative and derogatory. How many times have I bombed you? Not enough.

How many red hits have been to platinum members? Maybe 2-3 in the last week. I try not to hit platinum members for two reasons.
1) a red hit does not leave a bomb on a platinum member
2) platinum members support the site which I respect.

I leave 10% red hits to non plats too, the goal for me is not to detract from the karma, that is an unfortunate side effect, the goal is to leave a bomb and a message.

Why does my plat alter bomb?
Because that was WHY IT WAS CREATED! I actually setup that account over the phone with admin, I said exactly why I wanted the account. The response was "<laughter> you guys are eating this bomb shit up!"

its pay to play buddy, I pay, so I play.

Do you go to restuarants to take a shit, but not buy anything, and then complain that the bathroom is dirty?
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Please find a negative or derogatory post I have made toward you other than in direct response to your asinine bomb justification trash.

Also, are trying to claim that I do not pay? I have been platinum numerous times and you know it.

The only goal is to amuse your infantile sense of humour. Period.

Nice try.
 
Mr. dB said:
Well, the purpose of the recent changes was to put a halt to karma inflation. Red karma isn't inflationary, so why should it cost?
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It should cost to keep the anti-social gratuitous hitting under control and to ensure that if you really want to insult someone by leaving a blot on their user-panel or take away their now-valued and, possibly, paid-for Karma then you pay for the privilege.

Does it really make sense that someone is going to fork over good cash to George for Karma just so that someone like Lestat can wipe it out in a few days at a whim and no cost to themselves? How can George be hoping to sell Karma to mainstream members without controlling the behaviour of these members who care not one whit for the society here but for their own ability to abuse and harass other members?
 
blut wump said:
It should cost to keep the anti-social gratuitous hitting under control and to ensure that if you really want to insult someone by leaving a blot on their user-panel or take away their now-valued and, possibly, paid-for Karma then you pay for the privilege.

Does it really make sense that someone is going to fork over good cash to George for Karma just so that someone like Lestat can wipe it out in a few days at a whim and no cost to themselves? How can George be hoping to sell Karma to mainstream members without controlling the behaviour of these members who care not one whit for the society here but for their own ability to abuse and harass other members?
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1) I hit hon plats almost exclusively. I would guess that someone would pay for plat membership before they pay for karma and thus would be immune
2) I hit for 10% red, again, with the goal being to leave the bomb, not take away massive amounts of K. Unlike you who hit me for -1707, yet I didn't feel compelled to make a bunch of whiny threads about it.
 
blut wump said:
It should cost to keep the anti-social gratuitous hitting under control and to ensure that if you really want to insult someone by leaving a blot on their user-panel or take away their now-valued and, possibly, paid-for Karma then you pay for the privilege.

Does it really make sense that someone is going to fork over good cash to George for Karma just so that someone like Lestat can wipe it out in a few days at a whim and no cost to themselves? How can George be hoping to sell Karma to mainstream members without controlling the behaviour of these members who care not one whit for the society here but for their own ability to abuse and harass other members?
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That's actually a very good point. If one is going to pay for it, then there has to be some measure of protection to the investment.
 
bluepeter said:
Please find a negative or derogatory post I have made toward you other than in direct response to your asinine bomb justification trash.

Also, are trying to claim that I do not pay? I have been platinum numerous times and you know it.

The only goal is to amuse your infantile sense of humour. Period.

Nice try.
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He keeps throwing the "you don't pay" line at non-Plats. He should wake up for a moment and realise that, when it comes down to it, he's the one who doesn't pay. George is likely not expecting so much as one cent more in membership fees from Lestat and as such he is very dispensible, especially while eating into likely revenue from the sale of Karma. You on, the other hand, are a potential and proven customer and valuable.
 
Lestat said:
1) I hit hon plats almost exclusively. I would guess that someone would pay for plat membership before they pay for karma and thus would be immune
2) I hit for 10% red, again, with the goal being to leave the bomb, not take away massive amounts of K. Unlike you who hit me for -1707, yet I didn't feel compelled to make a bunch of whiny threads about it.
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Don't be an ass. Think about your posts a little more.
 
blut wump said:
Don't be an ass. Think about your posts a little more.
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I would say the same to you but the point would be lost I'm sure.

I do this because its entertaining, you do it because it really bothers you. That is about all that needs to be said on it.
 
That you do it simply because it is selfishly entertaining was my original assertion. Is that really all you came into this thread for, to agree with the point?

Well done. Can we get back on-topic now?
 
hamstershaver said:
are you going to buy it?
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Karma you mean?

I have no idea. It would depend on the use.

I don't plan on buying a parachute, but I can see the wisdom in constructing one that won't tear mid jump.

How can you expect someone to pay 10-20 bucks for a few thousand karma that one or two guys can simply erase in a day or two at no cost to themselves?
 
Phenom78 said:
Karma you mean?

I have no idea. It would depend on the use.

I don't plan on buying a parachute, but I can see the wisdom in constructing one that won't tear mid jump.

How can you expect someone to pay 10-20 bucks for a few thousand karma that one or two guys can simply erase in a day or two at no cost to themselves?
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This has to be addressed if there's to be hope of selling Karma in significant amounts.
 
Phenom78 said:
Karma you mean?

I have no idea. It would depend on the use.

I don't plan on buying a parachute, but I can see the wisdom in constructing one that won't tear mid jump.

How can you expect someone to pay 10-20 bucks for a few thousand karma that one or two guys can simply erase in a day or two at no cost to themselves?
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ok then what use would make you want to buy karma
 
hamstershaver said:
ok then what use would make you want to buy karma
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I don't know what they are coming out with

Off the top of my head....maybe if I had to pay off karma poker debts?


Im not promoting or rejecting the new policy. I recognize you aren't happy with the changes. Rather I was simply acknowledging a valid point by BW.

Seperately Id say the following. The entire premise of these changes is to manufacture value for what is otherwise reasonably a valueless commodity. If successful then although you and Klu might be temporarily put off by the loss of a desired recreational activity, the ancillary byrpoduct of these changes would be to add an actual monetary value to your own person which did not previosuly exist. Right now they are pricing the karma I believe at something above $1,000 per million. Making your holdings ostensibly worth over $25,000. Even if you undercut his market by 50%, that would be an insane compensation for whatever perceived loss you may feel you suffered. Even at 1/25th the same couyld be said.
 
As a Plat, you can buy it at around $300 per million. It's much cheaper as a COTB.

I had a thread a week or so ago, though, asking what value 7,000,000 Karmas. The best anyone seemed prepared to pay was just over $7 in installments which might be a reflection of the current value of Karma.
 
Phenom78 said:
I don't know what they are coming out with

Off the top of my head....maybe if I had to pay off karma poker debts?
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you could never go in the hole in karma poker they would never let you bring more chips to the table then you have in your acct
and you know even if you did go in the hole you would never buy karma to get back in the positive, why would you? why would anyone?
 
hamstershaver said:
you could never go in the hole in karma poker they would never let you bring more chips to the table then you have in your acct
and you know even if you did go in the hole you would never buy karma to get back in the positive, why would you? why would anyone?
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I can see it happening. Paying a few bucks in order to play poker with some of the guys here.

Right now there would be no reason. But as karma inevtiably dries up, it will be impossible to come by. People will give it away while its free. But when it costs them cash they wont be nearly as generous. Even now karma transfers have cut down dramatcially.

What, two weeks ago when AAP went in the hole people pnied up over a million in less than a day. Now hes stuck trying to figure out what he can trade to get back Sponges k.
 
I've sold 1,000,000 of my personal karma stash for between $100 and $300
 
bluepeter said:
What a fucking load of bullshit.

Answer me these little tidbits lestat.

How many times have you hit me with green in the past 3 years vs. the number of times you have bombed me in the past two days?

How many of your 'spreading' red hits have been to platinum members?

Why exactly does your plat alter also need to 'spread' bombs?

Why does your plat alter continue to do this shit even after Digger warned you not to?



Please stop insulting our intelligence with your 'holier than thou' horseshit. You are doing what you are doing because you perceive the new system to be an excuse for you to return to your adolescent games designed to annoy.
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This is the best statement yet on this! The flat out truth period..Ive never seen one drop of his grand daddy karma hits..Why because he posted he was such a whore if you didnt have 1000 or more power he would blink a eye to give your anything,but now he has no problem sharing red and justifying it to be some cool thing hes doing to communicate with people.Thats flat out bullshit!! Being he has never and i mean ever talked to me, gave me green, pmed me or acted like hes even knowns me here till the red dot shit started. So whos trying to bullshit who on this thread? Only thing hes shared with me was a blackout for voiceing my opinion about him on a thread so save the bullshit and keep it real!
 
Anyone selling Karma on here and thus effectively depriving the store and thus the site of revenue should be banned for trading on here without a site trading agreement.

Is admin aware of this?
 
blut wump said:
Anyone selling Karma on here and thus effectively depriving the store and thus the site of revenue should be banned for trading on here without a site trading agreement.

Is admin aware of this?
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lmao!!!!

bro if you hadn't noticed, people use karma as currency for many different things. I didn't see anywhere in the TOS that it wasn't to be sold, or traded for pictures, or help on a homework assignment, etc.

Thank goodness its the weekend, you really need it. I never knew you took shit so seriously.

I hope to one day be good bros with you again, I hope you know that, I don't hold anything against you and am pretty sure this will all blow over one day and we'll be able to laugh about it over a drink.
 
If someone is able to actually sell their karma to another member for something tangible, I can't see why George would want to discourage that. It only reinforces the idea that the imaginary green dots have value.
 
Mr. dB said:
If someone is able to actually sell their karma to another member for something tangible, I can't see why George would want to discourage that. It only reinforces the idea that the imaginary green dots have value.
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mr. Db, I am so glad there are still people like you around who think with a little common sense. You really have to wonder about some of the logic people come up with around here. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes.
 
In case you haven't noticed my Further Edit to the original post, I'd like to draw your attention to this thread:
No Need to Spread Red - Use The Casino

There really is no need to use Red just to spread. Using Red to spread on non-Plats is harassment and persecution. Before long they'll leave to one or more of the vultures currently circling with open arms for disaffected EF members. Just think, how many invites to other sites have you seen over the past week or so?
 
Lestat said:
lmao!!!!

bro if you hadn't noticed, people use karma as currency for many different things. I didn't see anywhere in the TOS that it wasn't to be sold, or traded for pictures, or help on a homework assignment, etc.

Thank goodness its the weekend, you really need it. I never knew you took shit so seriously.

I hope to one day be good bros with you again, I hope you know that, I don't hold anything against you and am pretty sure this will all blow over one day and we'll be able to laugh about it over a drink.
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There are items pertaining to advertising and trading on here.

Did you get George's opinion on undercutting the Karma Store and, effectively, taking cash from his pocket by selling your Karma? Is he yet aware that you did this to him?
 
I got this much red in 10 posts and I never argued with anybody. I've never met the person who gave me red karma. Bad luck I guess. My karma future looks dire indeed. :)
 
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