MACRO/ULTER........Testing a new Aromatese Inhibitor Formula:

[macrophage69alpha]

Hooker (thats your real name anthony- so that people know who you are)

1. do you actually have a legitimate question?

2. actually the merck manual is pretty useless compared to many other texts and is available in its entirety online-btw- do have a copy it and of the PDR, but since they both say that anabolic steroids do not increase muscle mass, have not looked at them in about 10 years. Have not bought a copy since though do have the current third edition herbal PDR.

3. as noted the merck manual has no information on ATD

4. What the pharmaceutical industry uses and whats available are not the same. The method used by pharma is designed for convenience and patentability. The use of HPMC (patch and gel) decreases bioavailibility but extends release. once daily is what they want because people are lazy. Besides the fact that the Isolated PE's that they use are patentable, the organic PE's which are more effective, like orange oil and variants of tea tree oil are not.

5. With respect to steroids and transdermal delivery, the issue is COST and AVAILABILITY. while the cost of steroids is typically cheap, the end user often has a much higher cost and less availability. Plus ester technology is widely used, so injection is the preferred route- which gives 100% bioavailibility- minus the ester weight.

 

[Ulter]

Why would that upset you. You weren't the first on the market with such a product. You were second. So, frankly....shouldn't the first person to come up with it say the same thing about you guys?


We weren't the first company to sell Thermorexin? Are you drunk? Who else makes a product with the Thermorexin formula?

You won't tell us what book you have gotten it from, what the formula, or provide real evidence. Are you starting a cult or practicing alchemy? Because all the secrecy is more akin to magic than science. From my limited experience in science, the more solid your ideas are, the more readily you put them to the test for all to confirm. You, on the other hand, have "secret expensive books"....

When are you going to get it through you head. You don't work for us. We have no interest in your review of our products. And ridicule like that isn't going to goad anyone into telling you trade secrets that will result in tremendous loss of sales to competitors who will use that information as a "how to" book to rip off the product.
You act like we owe it to you to do the R&D on our product and then just give it out freely to anyone who wants to steal it just to prove to YOU what we've developed.
Yeah right.

I don't know. Relying on posts isn't really credible, I think. Why not get bloodwork done? Also...as for posts well...how do I know that they haven't been edited. Some of my posts in this thread have been edited by Macro when I provided valid criticism of his product.

Any post that is simply slander will be removed. You have not used the product, nor have you given any reason why we shouldn't be testing it. For the most part what you've done is eliminate another large market for your book. Something you seem to do on all the other boards as well.

Relying on posts isn't credible? Then what do you think the 30,000 people posting on discussion boards are doing? That's the stupidest thing you've said. If you think a post was edited why don't you PM the authors and ask them. Under no circumstances are any results posts edited. Good or bad they are encouraged by us so people with similar experiences can read them and learn.

In any case, here's a quote from someone on another board who has used ATD (oral):


Good thing we're not testing oral use then isn't it?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

In any case, here's a quote from someone on another board who has used ATD (oral):

(WSTRAINER)

Although this is not an answere to your question, I did want people to be aware of the effects of ATD.
I train (Im a S&C coach) a researcher who has a few patents on AI,s and if all goes well will be introducing one to market in a few years. When I showed him my bottle of ATD, he agreed that it should work, but wanted me to take 1-2 capsules instead of the reccomended 4 (Gaspari brand).
In his opinion, lowering estrogen to raise testosterone for the natural trainee is the best and safest option.
ATD: I didnt take it for PCT (I havent done a cycle in 8 months). My main goal was to lean out and increase LBM. None of those occurred. If anything, I got fatter. The worst side effect, and the reason i wouldnt even reccomend this to my enemies was to constant joint pains. This made training / working out nearly impossible. Im just strating to feel better after about 6 weeks of being off ATD.
Just wanted to warn people.

The next person who posted noted that:

some others have noticed this as well.

with the exception of gaining fat, those are all side effects of strong oestrogenic suppression. Though its interesting to note that that is that persons first post. and such fat gain has not generally been reported by anyone using either ATD or other aromatase inhibitors. Though in theory heavy oestrogen suppression could cause fat gain in some individuals, there are animal studies with ArKO mice that are indicative of such.

people often report dryness and joint issues with letrozole, the strongest of the three prescription AI's. Hence why its often reccomended to stack low dose SERMS with any AI.

 

[Ulter]

Anthony you post a result from someone who has no other posts on OUR COMPETITOR'S BOARD, and then you say posts are not reliable. Well I can agree with you on THAT post. It's not very reliable. Nice try though.

That's funny

 

[Ulter]

Doesn't this look an awful lot like bodybuild.com? LOL!!

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Hooker (thats your real name anthony- so that people know who you are)

Umm..."hooker" is my real name and Anthony isn't?

I used to post under the screen name "hooker" (and still do on occasion), but since my book was finished, I decided to use my name (which, for the record, is actually not "hooker"). This way people know who's posting, relative to my book.

But I don't see how much of this information is relevant. My rugby career (2 trips to the national all star games and playing first division in NZ), etc...just seems to be irrelevant to all of this.

The thread isn't about me, and isn't about my book, or any of the other things you and Ulter have brought up.

So why are they in the nexus of this conversation? I'd like to know how "Pat Arnold stealing prohormone formulas" and me having a "failed rugby career" makes ATD a good product?

What does my career, my book, and Pat Arnold have to do with ATD? Why are he and I being personally attacked in this thread?

If I had a legit product, and someone asked questions about it, I wouldn't insult them or attack them, nor would I attack people who haven't even posted in the thread. Can you explain these actions?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

your circular arguments are amusing, childish but amusing.

do you have a legitimate question?
do you care to respond to the answers given you?


pls. stop trying to play martyr, it does not suit you and certainly is not deserved.

 

[Ulter]

I only addressed your credibilty and lack of credentials to be able to evaluate this formula. People will find it much easier to look up your posts as Hooker if they want to know just who it is turning this AI results thread into a bb.com bickering festival.

 

[brooklynheight]

850 gr. test a week.-prop
60 gr dbol a day

week 4

no bloat or signs of gyno...no skin irritatation at all

 

[macrophage69alpha]

850 gr. test a week.-prop
60 gr dbol a day

week 4

no bloat or signs of gyno...no skin irritatation at all