Macro ,starting aromasin + bromo combo today to get rid of gyno .

[VictorBR]

Following macro's advice I am starting aromasin + bromo today to try to get rid of my gyno . After 20 days of 60 mg nolva ED , my gyno was greatly reduced but it is still here , I would say it is 40-50 % smaller but still here , and nips still puffy . So I dumped the nolva cause it was not working anymore and starting this combo today .

Macro , I am not sure if I asked you this before but should I expect greater FAT LOSS in estrogenic areas like love handles , inner thights and outer/lower chest when using aromasin ?

My guess is that the same principles aplies here where high estrous levels are needed to sustain those estrogenic fat areas . By lowering circulating estrogen levels should be easier to lose fat specially in those areas . Am I right ?

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

bump for mac


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

#1 to some extent, but proliferation reduction takes time and is more of a long term process.

#2 again to some extent.

however lowering E also means a greater T/E ratio which tends to blunt insulin sensitivity (however your cardio and supps regimen makes this a non issue)

for those not doing cardio and/or taking insulin sensitivity enhancers this shift in ratio can cause "androgenic"- insulogenic fat (though also not much of an issue in your dieting situation + cardio + supps)

 

[VictorBR]

Got it . Thanks a bunch bro

I will update this in about 7 days .


Victor

 

[xido]

why not letro ?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

why not letro ?

letro is not really suitable under victor's current regimen. Letro is a potent suppressor of estrogen, however often too potent. Victor is cutting relatively hard and not on AAS. Letro is generally not well suited for extended use, particularly off cycle. it also causes aromatase rebound (as does arimidex).

letro is effective, but its not always an ideal choice.

 

[xido]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880&highlight=gyno+reversal

im not going to argue with a guy with 23,000 posts, but thats an interesting article an MD posted. check it out

 

[VictorBR]

Makes perfect sense for me to go on aromasin and not letro macro . My shoulders still hurt , if I go on letro , they are gonna break for good . LOL .

I am scared as it is with aromasin , with letro I would be pissing my pants .

I just hope my shoulders can handle very low levels of estrous without too much pain , because it is hurting already , as it is...... and after I lower estrogen levels it is probably gonna hurt even more

EDIT - Damn I am so tired that I didn't realize that you said that more test and less estrogen can make you FATTER because it decreases insulin sensitivity ? You said it should not be an issue under my current diet / training / supps , but STILL , just the idea of something MAKING my FAT BURNING goals more difficult can drive me crazy and mess up my head ....should I be worried ???

Victor

 

[RikUFC]

Good info............i always learn something here.......

 

[VictorBR]

macro should I bump the bromo to 2.5 today ( My first dose yesterday I took 1.25 ) ? so should I bump or stay at 1.25 a couple more days ?


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

how is the 1.25?

 

[VictorBR]

hummm to tell the truth , I was feeling extremely tired today . BUT now , I can't REALLY say if it is from my general condition or if it is the bromo ..... But I am feeling more tired than usual for sure .....


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

stick with 1.25 for a 2-3 days more.

also try taking an hour before you want to go to bed

 

[VictorBR]

will do that . thanks bro

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

>>> MAcro , I just ate a meal WITH CARBS and I am still with all those sides . It can't be my diet / training , I was feeling bad already but now I am feeling like COMPLETE CRAP , I have visual disturbances , dizzyness and lethargy , I have everything . I was looking to buy a TV online and I was looking into 42 inches , thinking that it was 50 inches , and I was like : " WOW I am gonna buy this one , that is cheap " ...than after like 30 minutes I realized that I was looking into 42 inches and that is why it was so cheap . LOL

Do you think this will subside in a few days ? Because if not , I am gonna have to dump the bromo . I am really all fucked up now . I was lying in the bed , I got up , SLOWLY and even so I almost hit the ground .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Maaaaaaacro , I am f**** up . LOL , I know it is not funny .

I feel like I am kinda outta of this world you know ? Same feeling I had when I used CLEN ..... not cool

Shit I was looking into a 42 inch TV for a WHILE and I was thinking it was a 50 inch ..... My vision is ALL F***** UP .

I think I am gonna have to dump this shit now bro

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

dont take the bromo tonight and then try taking a 1/4 tab tommorow. Those are potential sides of bromo (and why some people really dont like it).

you may find that the lower dose suits you, if it does not then you will have to try something else.

 

[VictorBR]

1/4 tab ?

Not sure bro , I can't feel like this again , what if even 1/4 still makes me a retard ? I am having the same issues that I had with clen .

Can't we just go to selegeline or dostinex ? I mean I won't have those issues with these drugs right ? I don't mind throwing this bromo in the garbage can , I can get dostinex or selegeline tomorrow , no biggie .

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

yes you can switch.

its less likely for you to have issues with cabergoline.

though usually the symptoms subside. as with any drug the first reaction is usually the strongest. however if you want to switch you should.

 

[VictorBR]

ok , what would be the cabergoline dosage ?


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

OUCH , it is expensive ...holy moly

30 U$ ( 60 R$ ) for 2 caps ( 0.5 mg cabergoline each )

Oh well , if it is gonna be sides free , I will pay . I can't feel like this again , it is not fun . And it is also dangerous , I gotta take the freeway everyday driving to my gym , so no more bromo for me .

BTW - how long untill it clears bro? I am still feeling like a zoombie and my vision is STILL ALL f**** up ....... I took the bromo 24 hours ago .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

maaaaaaac ?


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

its half life is 27hrs, the effects should start dissipating soon. you are obviously very sensitive (though this is also your "first time" so as with most things it carries it strongest punch, so to speak).

with the cabergoline you can probably use .25mg e4d

 

[VictorBR]

cool bro , I will be ordering the cabergoline right now should arrive tomorrow

Yeah I guess I am really sensitive to this thing ....well cabergoline here I come

I am feeling better now , although I went to bed 3 am and I simply couldn't get enough sleep , I woke up at 3 pm . That is 12 hours sleeping .... but I am feeling WAAAAYYY better now .

thanks man

I will update this in a few days


Victor

 

[georgie24]

use a pill cutter to cut the bromo down. i took it without any major side effects

 

[VictorBR]

use a pill cutter to cut the bromo down. i took it without any major side effects

>>> I took half a tab and it fucked me up pretty good bro , 1/4 tab probably would still fuck me up but not that much .....

If I can switch to cabergoline for ZERO sides , why not ?

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

cabergoline does not necessarily have zero sides, it just has somewhat less incidence of sides. though the comparative studies used much higher doses of bromocriptine than you are using.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/cabergoline_ad.htm

 

[macrophage69alpha]

as a note- you will find on the forums that most people report no sides with cabergoline, this may, stress on may, be related to the fact that most of them are using questionable research liquid as opposed to pharma tablets.

 

[VictorBR]

I see , but IF any sides should occur , are they gonna be the SAME as bromo ?

Lethargy and making me go BLIND ?!?!?!?


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Mac , the cabergoline arrived today .

Taking 0.25 e4d like you said . when should I take it ? before bed ?

Also , if any sides SHOULD occur , are they gonna be the same as bromo ? lethargy and making me go BLIND ????


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

did you notice any impact from the bromo on your gyno?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Mac , the cabergoline arrived today .

Taking 0.25 e4d like you said . when should I take it ? before bed ?

Also , if any sides SHOULD occur , are they gonna be the same as bromo ? lethargy and making me go BLIND ????


Victor

the side effects, if any, may be different. The binding properties are quite different.

 

[MickyBlues]

How long does one need to run bromo/dostinex to bring down Prolactin a few points?

 

[musclehealth]

ok , what would be the cabergoline dosage ?


Victor

I just started cabergoline @ .5mg 2x week (monday/thursday). I have the same problem...gyno from a past cycle that only got a little better from nolva. I was thinking of throwing in aromasin...what u guys think?

Dostinex .5mg 2x week mon/thursday
aromasin 25mg eod or ed?

Or just dostinex?

 

[VictorBR]

Macro , I took bromo only one day , and I have been using aromasin for 6 days now , it seems , I am not sure , but it SEEMS that the gyno is smaller although the PUFFINESS is still the same , I mean looking at it , it didn't change , but when I touch and press I feel that the lump is now a bit smaller .

Starting the dostinex tomorrow only . 0.25 mg e4d like you said


Victor

 

[bigrand]

Im gonna piggyback here.....
Hows this sound?

10 weeks tren enth 400mg
100 days methyl-DHT PO, 50mg ED
60 days letro 1.25mg ED, switching to 20mg a-sin for 100 days after letro
3mg segelinine ED 70 days
nolva 20mg EOD (over 120 days)

Will add R-ala and probly a stim

Cardio at 30min ED post W/O

Cutting fat, hopefully 20-30lbs in the next 10 weeks....i can crash the diet if need be, done it before.

 

[VictorBR]

mac , dostinex just arrived . Is there a specific time of the day to take it ?

Can I just take it before bed together with aromasin ? Is that fine ?


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

not really

thats fine.

remember high fat meal with aromasin

 

[VictorBR]

damn , I am not really taking the aromasin with high fat meal .

Am I waisting it ? How high do I need to go on fat ? the most I eat at one meal is 7 g

Most of my meals have 2-4 g fat .

I stay between 25-40 g fat intake DAILY .


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

just add some fat to a meal. you needed to up your cals a bit anyways

 

[VictorBR]

I upped my cals for 3 days already ! heehhehe , saturday , sunday and monday I rested , no gym and ate like 3.500 cals each day .

Now I am back to 2000.

I am taking the aromasin with my whole wheat bread + low fat cheese + low fat turkey breast meal . It contains around 7 g fat . Is that enough ? I can add a lil bit more cheese to make it like 10 g fat . Is that enough ?


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

should be fine

 

[VictorBR]

hehe thanks .

Cool , I just took my aromasin + dostinex .

After the bromo experience I am really worried about taking anti prolactin drugs , let's just hope this one doesn't f*** me up like bromo did .

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

mac , dostinex treating me good . No noticable sides so far .

My first dose was exactly 24 hours ago . Took 0.25 mg . I have been on aromasin for a week now .

Pufiness reduced , lump reduced but still there .


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

good to hear

 

[macrophage69alpha]

cabergoline still treating you well?

 

[VictorBR]

for sure bro , zero sides . Altought I am still on my first dose ( you said 0.25 mg e4d ) , so I took the first dose on thuesday , second dose will be tomorrow ( saturday ) .

gyno is greatly reduced for sure , I can say that it is 30 % of what it used to be . Nolva killed around 40 % , and now this treatment killed another 30 % .

So it is around 70 % gone . If it keeps going like this , I will be gyno free in about 2 weeks

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Mac , taking my second dostinex dose today

Victor

 

[MR. BMJ]

Actually, this thread is pretty cool. Nice teamwork here. Good trial and error experience going on here and showing the ability to adjust to an alternate route.

Keep us posted VB.

BMJ

 

[VictorBR]

Mac is the man

I will keep this updated for sure bro


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Mac , I have been on aromasin for 12 days now and dostinex for 9 days .

IT seems that the soft tissue was greatly reduced from both treatments ( first nolva , now this ) , also diet and YES probably helping a lot .

But from what I can see the hard tissue although smaller in comparison to what it used to be before all those treatments , is still here and it still bothers me .

How long does it usually takes to completly eliminate this ? Can it take longer than 12 days ? like 20 days ? 30 days ?

OR should I start thinking about letro or surgery ?

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you can use them for months, you may need to lower the aromasin dosage at some point (if still off cycle).

 

[VictorBR]

you can use them for months, you may need to lower the aromasin dosage at some point (if still off cycle).

>>> the thing is , I am 10 lbs away from my cycle , once I lose another 10 pounds it is time for me to start my cycle . I am guessing another 3-4 weeks at the most .

BUT ....I have been told not to start it untill gyno issues are solved . in other words don't start using AAS untill you are gyno free . What do you think ?

Also , since I already have gyno , and if I REALLY start the cycle STILL with gyno , do you think I should switch to letro when starting the cycle ?

I was gonna use AIFM ...but taking 500 mg test + 400 mg EQ + winny + HGH , and already with some gyno , wouldn't be better to switch to letro when starting the cycle ? I mean , of course ONLY if you think it is ok to start with some gyno .....

I am thinking that if I can't kill my gyno now , at least it won't get ANY WORSE if I start the cycle using FEMARA ? right ?

It is really funny because it doesn't look bad when my nipples are hard ( example after a cold shower ) , but it does look bad when it's under warm / regular temperatures .

Victor

 

[rfowler]

>>> the thing is , I am 10 lbs away from my cycle , once I lose another 10 pounds it is time for me to start my cycle . I am guessing another 3-4 weeks at the most .

BUT ....I have been told not to start it untill gyno issues are solved . in other words don't start using AAS untill you are gyno free . What do you think ?

Also , since I already have gyno , and if I REALLY start the cycle STILL with gyno , do you think I should switch to letro when starting the cycle ?

I was gonna use AIFM ...but taking 500 mg test + 400 mg EQ + winny + HGH , and already with some gyno , wouldn't be better to switch to letro when starting the cycle ? I mean , of course ONLY if you think it is ok to start with some gyno .....

I am thinking that if I can't kill my gyno now , at least it won't get ANY WORSE if I start the cycle using FEMARA ? right ?

It is really funny because it doesn't look bad when my nipples are hard ( example after a cold shower ) , but it does look bad when it's under warm / regular temperatures .

Victor

post a pic victor so we can see what you got.

 

[VictorBR]

post a pic victor so we can see what you got.

>>> it doesn't help to post pics bro , the only way to really see what I have is to touch it , press it .

I am 110 % sure it is gyno , hard tissue . I also had soft tissue and fat , my chest looks better because I am way leaner now and basically all the fat and soft tissue are gone , but the hard tissue although a bit smaller is still there .

And this shit is seriously starting to piss me off big time .

Victor

 

[rfowler]

>>> it doesn't help to post pics bro , the only way to really see what I have is to touch it , press it .

I am 110 % sure it is gyno , hard tissue . I also had soft tissue and fat , my chest looks better because I am way leaner now and basically all the fat and soft tissue are gone , but the hard tissue although a bit smaller is still there .

And this shit is seriously starting to piss me off big time .

Victor

I hear yah bro I was just wanting to compare because I have soft tissue fat around my left pec but no hard masses at all, so I think I am chalking it up to fat and not gyno. what does the hard tissue feel like exactly?

 

[VictorBR]

I hear yah bro I was just wanting to compare because I have soft tissue fat around my left pec but no hard masses at all, so I think I am chalking it up to fat and not gyno. what does the hard tissue feel like exactly?

>> It just feels like a lump , it is not actually HARD , but when you press it you can feel that it is not so soft either ...it is hard to explain

All I know is that this shit is getting on my fucking nerves .


Victor

 

[bigrand]

I am actually running something similar to you bro.....notice any other fat loss areas cuz of the combo of drugs, ie handles?
im using selegenine instead of dostinex at 5mg HS.

 

[VictorBR]

I am actually running something similar to you bro.....notice any other fat loss areas cuz of the combo of drugs, ie handles?
im using selegenine instead of dostinex at 5mg HS.

>> Actually my arms and delts and chest are a bit more vascular and leaner despite the fact that I stayed at the same weight for the past 9 days .

But no noticable effects on love handles , lower abs and inner thights ( all estrogenic fat areas ) .

Macro told me lthat owering estrogen can help when trying to burn those fat areas BUT it is more of a long term process and it only helps to some extent


Victor

 

[bigrand]

Yeah, i plan to stay on low dose AIs for say the next year....
Currently running letro at 1.25mg EOD, 5mg selegenine ED, 20mg nolva ED and tren enth/masteron.
Will add supplements such as a stim, r-ALA and CLA.

Whats your diet like?
I will try to keep it under 2000 cals ED and cardio 4-5 times a week for 30min.
I will switch to 20mg aromasin EOD when im out of the letro.

 

[Shinobi]

Aromasin is so strong that will block your gains somehow.
I already use aromasin(and femara) and I used for years during bulking cycles. I was always complaining why I didnt get as much as I was expecting from the cycles(training heavy, sleeping well, eating well and my stuff was real) and when I decided to quit aromasin I noticed the gains much more.
Believe me I didnt notice more water retention without aromasin. I had the same water retention without aromasin. I start to use more test and my metabolism was higher thus sweating more and burning more calories. As far as gyno I used nolva and clomid and didnt have problems.
Unfortunelly you cant find OTC T3 in Brazil cause 25mcg of T3 ED on an empty stomach would maximize protein synthesis and would help burning a little bit of fat.

 

[VictorBR]

Yeah, i plan to stay on low dose AIs for say the next year....
Currently running letro at 1.25mg EOD, 5mg selegenine ED, 20mg nolva ED and tren enth/masteron.
Will add supplements such as a stim, r-ALA and CLA.

Whats your diet like?
I will try to keep it under 2000 cals ED and cardio 4-5 times a week for 30min.
I will switch to 20mg aromasin EOD when im out of the letro.

>> my diet is 2000 cals . 270 g pro , 170 g carbs and 30 g fat .

 

[VictorBR]

Aromasin is so strong that will block your gains somehow.
I already use aromasin(and femara) and I used for years during bulking cycles. I was always complaining why I didnt get as much as I was expecting from the cycles(training heavy, sleeping well, eating well and my stuff was real) and when I decided to quit aromasin I noticed the gains much more.
Believe me I didnt notice more water retention without aromasin. I had the same water retention without aromasin. I start to use more test and my metabolism was higher thus sweating more and burning more calories. As far as gyno I used nolva and clomid and didnt have problems.
Unfortunelly you cant find OTC T3 in Brazil cause 25mcg of T3 ED on an empty stomach would maximize protein synthesis and would help burning a little bit of fat.

>>> Funny cause I am not using AAS and still taking 25 mg ED aromasin and I am feeling bigger than ever , I am not sure about aromasin blocking gains . At least for me it is not happening and I am not even using gear . and about T3 , I won't mess with that . Well , probably not


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Aromasin is so strong that will block your gains somehow.
I already use aromasin(and femara) and I used for years during bulking cycles. I was always complaining why I didnt get as much as I was expecting from the cycles(training heavy, sleeping well, eating well and my stuff was real) and when I decided to quit aromasin I noticed the gains much more.
Believe me I didnt notice more water retention without aromasin. I had the same water retention without aromasin. I start to use more test and my metabolism was higher thus sweating more and burning more calories. As far as gyno I used nolva and clomid and didnt have problems.
Unfortunelly you cant find OTC T3 in Brazil cause 25mcg of T3 ED on an empty stomach would maximize protein synthesis and would help burning a little bit of fat.

you may just be one of those people that has low levels of aromatase or an ER polymorphism.

some people dont "need" AI's (until they do- time and repeated use can change the system significantly as can thing like bodyfat)....

you might consider using a very low dose of aromasin.

btw- if you were using nolva with your aromasin or femara its quite likely that they were causing water retention (just in case you were- keeping in mind their extremely long half lives)

 

[VictorBR]

maaac you missed my other post on page 3 :

" you can use them for months, you may need to lower the aromasin dosage at some point (if still off cycle). "

>>> the thing is , I am 10 lbs away from my cycle , once I lose another 10 pounds it is time for me to start my cycle . I am guessing another 3-4 weeks at the most .

BUT ....I have been told not to start it untill gyno issues are solved . in other words don't start using AAS untill you are gyno free . What do you think ?

Also , since I already have gyno , and if I REALLY start the cycle STILL with gyno , do you think I should switch to letro when starting the cycle ?

I was gonna use AIFM ...but taking 500 mg test + 400 mg EQ + winny + HGH , and already with some gyno , wouldn't be better to switch to letro when starting the cycle ? I mean , of course ONLY if you think it is ok to start with some gyno .....

I am thinking that if I can't kill my gyno now , at least it won't get ANY WORSE if I start the cycle using FEMARA ? right ?

It is really funny because it doesn't look bad when my nipples are hard ( example after a cold shower ) , but it does look bad when it's under warm / regular temperatures .

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

maaaaaac

can I keep buying my cycle ingredients or should I hold on for now ?

Please tell me I can cycle with some small gyno


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

if you are still having gyno issues when cycle starts you can switch to femara, along with the cabergoline and local AIFM admin you should still be able to "knock it out".

BUT you should see resolution in 3-4 weeks with your aggressive treatment, especially if you throw in the local AIFM admin.

 

[VictorBR]

cool bro . Yes I agree , we can call it agressive, 25 mg ED aromasin + 0.25 mg e4d cabergoline for someone who is not using any gear is agressive , I hope it obliterates this stupid gyno

I am gonna place an order this week , or next week at the most , I am just waiting for my new credit card to arrive ....my doctor is back and now I can get the prescription

BTW - I am gonna create another thread about some things that I wanna ask you / ulter , gotta do that before I place my order at afstore , ....you know what ? what the hell , I am gonna do that right now

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

progress report?

 

[VictorBR]

I was gonna post today

So ,as of today pufiness reduced even more , I basically don't have more puffy nips .

And about the lump , the hard tissue , I don't know if it is my head or anything , but every day that I look into it , it looks smaller , smaller , and smaller ... is that possible ?

My guess is that It is shrinking for sure , but it might be shrinking at a very slow pace . Really doesn't matter , even at a slow pace , if it keeps like this , I should be gyno free in another 2-3 week .

I will throw a party if it really kills my gyno 100 % and you are the first one invited , I will send first class tickets for ya



Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

And about the lump , the hard tissue , I don't know if it is my head or anything , but every day that I look into it , it looks smaller , smaller , and smaller ... is that possible ?


Victor

YES

 

[VictorBR]

YES

>>> good , so it is not my imagination


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

 

[VictorBR]

mac

22 days on aromasin now bro and 15 days on dostinex . I am about to run out of aromasin , only 8 caps left .

What do you think ? After finishing it , are we switching to letro or should I buy another box of aromasin ?

Like I said , gyno was greatly reduced but still here .

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

really a matter of preference, though think that under the given circumstances letro may be too strong. though since you are tight on your timeline, it might be worth trying. if its not suitable...you can always use it later on cycle, if you need it.

 

[bigrand]

If your using nolva currently for gyno as well, the letro might not be too much as its effectiveness is diminished by concurrent use of tamox...say around 35-40%.

 

[VictorBR]

sup bro , sorry taking that long to reply , was kinda busy last couple days

Well , here is the scope . I am starting my cycle march 12 . that is a FACT . Can't wait any longer than that . I am starting no matter what is my weight , no matter if I have gyno or not . I am starting and that is it , can't wait any longer .

So , given this date . I can switch to letro after I run out of aromasin and just hope the letro reduces even more my gyno . If it doesn't I will just start it anyway , since I will be taking letro already I can just start the cycle and hope that the letro can keep my gyno from growing more , because if it stays like this , it is not the ideal but it is good enough . . I mean if the letro can keep my gyno like this , I will finish the cycle just like it is now , I will be happy enough .

I have been eating a bit more those last days I am heavier but waist still the same so it is all good .

I feel good overral , extremely good actually , I am not feeling tired and all , I feel 100 % fine . just my joints are starting to hurt big time . that is the only problem right now . Do you think might be estrous levels too low ? But if they were that low , shouldn't my gyno BE completly GONE ?

Well finally placed an order and due to financial limits I couldn't order glucorel or red blast ..... still ordered Pure CEE , T-rex , Sesapure and YES + shipping and my total was 270 U$ ...

Friend of mine going to USA in march for 10 days , I will probably order it and send to his hotel , he can bring it to me , this way I can save a TON on shipping . I just ordered now the products that I gotta keep using and will also use for my cycle .

Still would like to lose another 1.5 - 2 inches of my waist before the cycle . but I am not sure if I will be able to . I will try anyway . like you said , I am tight on the timeline but I will do my best .


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

just my joints are starting to hurt big time . that is the only problem right now . Do you think might be estrous levels too low ? But if they were that low , shouldn't my gyno BE completly GONE ?

Victor

quite possibly. no... it takes time do develop the tissue, thus it takes time under E deprived conditions to reverse that development.

your combination therapy, hastens it but does not make it instantaneous.

 

[VictorBR]

quite possibly. no... it takes time do develop the tissue, thus it takes time under E deprived conditions to reverse that development.

your combination therapy, hastens it but does not make it instantaneous.

>> I see , so what do you suggest for me to do now bro ?

Only 1 aromasin tab left . what should be the optimal aproach given the fact that my cycle starts march 12 ?

Victor

 

[babbabuee]

great thread guys.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

>> I see , so what do you suggest for me to do now bro ?

Only 1 aromasin tab left . what should be the optimal aproach given the fact that my cycle starts march 12 ?

Victor

you get more aromasin and low dose it, 1 tab eod or EOOD. did you get AIFM, because that is easier to dose in the low end range

 

[VictorBR]

I didn't get AIFM because you said I should go with letro for my cycle .

Actually I changed the date of my cycle . Starts march 5 now .

So , I only have like 2-3 weeks before I start . Do you think I should buy aromasin now , keep using 25 mg EOD and after I start the cycle I can just go back to 25 mg ED untill I run out . When I run out , I switch to letro .

Sounds good ?


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

would stick with the aromasin for now. are the tabs scored? if so would even go to 12.5 eod (until joint issues resolve). Or even EOOD.

 

[VictorBR]

suup bro !

I can't split these tabs , they are hard , like lil golf balls . VERY LIL . LOL

I will stick with the aromasin for now at 25 mg EOD I can do that , but I am asking what should I do when I start the cycle march 5 ? Should I bump the aromasin BACK to 25 MG ED untill I run out , then after I run out , switch to letro ? Or should I switch to letro and drop the aromasin at MArch 5 ?

I am asking because 25 mg EOD won't be enough for my cycle right ? SO I was thinking either bump it BACK to 25 mg ED or switch to letro . what do you think ?


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Update bro :

gyno still the same

I am worried man , really , if I have gyno now , I can't even think what it is gonna happen when I start my cycle , well I will be using SUST 500 mg week + bold 400 mg week + win ( in the middle of the cycle switch to var ) . If I feel my gyno getting any worse , I will either DUMP the test or lower it to 250-300 mg test prop .

Anyway , either march 5 , or march 12 I am starting , when that day comes what should I do ? switch to letro at 2.5 mg ED ? because obviously aromasin won't be strong enough ...

Victor

 

[ProtienFiend]

bromo is scary stuff ... i had a beer one night while on it and puked my ass off - and it had no positive effects after a month... stay away.

 

[VictorBR]

I switched to cabergoline and had zero sides , with bromo I couldn't see at all . I was blind . LOL


Victor

 

[ProtienFiend]

Very curious here, why was aromasin advised over AIFM? I think i just have just chest fat/puffiness left. Hopefully I can cut it out (not by physically cutting, just diet).

 

[macrophage69alpha]

actually AIFM was advised, but victorbr is in brazil and he had to get a script to import it and aromasin was available locally (immeadiately). He was seeing progress so it did not seem that AIFM would be necessary.

would have liked to have seen how direct AIFM application impacted the situation.

 

[ProtienFiend]

actually AIFM was advised, but victorbr is in brazil and he had to get a script to import it and aromasin was available locally (immeadiately). He was seeing progress so it did not seem that AIFM would be necessary.

would have liked to have seen how direct AIFM application impacted the situation.

oh ok, you also mentioned local application - has that been a proven method?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

oh ok, you also mentioned local application - has that been a proven method?

anecdotally, it definitely seems to have effect. But there are no clinicals. Though there is some work on local delivery that would indicate its effectiveness and the anecdotal reports are pretty promising.

so would say that its conditionally field proven

 

[VictorBR]

yes aromasin was much easier for me to get . More expensive but no hassle .

MAc, you missed my update post bro

I will copy and paste :


" Update bro :

gyno still the same

I am worried man , really , if I have gyno now , I can't even think what it is gonna happen when I start my cycle , well I will be using SUST 500 mg week + bold 400 mg week + win ( in the middle of the cycle switch to var ) . If I feel my gyno getting any worse , I will either DUMP the test or lower it to 250-300 mg test prop .

Anyway , either march 5 , or march 12 I am starting , when that day comes what should I do ? switch to letro at 2.5 mg ED ? because obviously aromasin won't be strong enough ...

victor "

 

[VictorBR]

maaaac don't leave me

LOL

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

yes aromasin was much easier for me to get . More expensive but no hassle .

MAc, you missed my update post bro

I will copy and paste :


" Update bro :

gyno still the same

I am worried man , really , if I have gyno now , I can't even think what it is gonna happen when I start my cycle , well I will be using SUST 500 mg week + bold 400 mg week + win ( in the middle of the cycle switch to var ) . If I feel my gyno getting any worse , I will either DUMP the test or lower it to 250-300 mg test prop .

Anyway , either march 5 , or march 12 I am starting , when that day comes what should I do ? switch to letro at 2.5 mg ED ? because obviously aromasin won't be strong enough ...

victor "

see no problem with running the letro @ 2.5mg ED, would not run for more than 4-6 weeks at that dosage - on cycle- (that is usually when issues appear)

what is your cycle?

 

[VictorBR]

sup bro

cycle starts March 12

This is the cycle :

week 1-14 - HGH 2 iu ED
week 1-14 - Bold 400 mg / week
week 1-7 - sust 500 mg / week
week 1-7 - var 50 mg ED
week 7-14 - prop 450 mg / week
week 7-14 - winstroll 60 mg ED
week 7-14 - proviron 50-100 mg ED

I was planning on using letro throught out the whole cycle , bad idea ? What do you think ?


Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you can use letro through the whole cycle, just depends on your response, but would have aromasin or AIFM on hand.

might want to think on the HGH, since it can be gyno proliferative (primarily through igf-1 increases). or just see how progression is, then make the decision.

what kind of var? bit leary of some at high doses (due to possible presence of other steroid metabolites in low quality material which at higher doses=physiological effects)

 

[VictorBR]

ok I will go with letro then , and aromasin is always on hand , I can get at any local pharm with no prescription .

I heard HGH can worsen gyno , but I was thinking since I am gonna use such a LOW dose , shouldn't be a problem ?

The var is high quality , friend of mine sold me , he wouldn't sell it to me if it was not 100 % .

Also using during the cycle :

1- Pure CEE
2- Sesapure after week 3 ( that is when I am gonna start increasing calories and dropping cardio AKA - bulking )
3- T-rex
4- Vit E
5- SAw pametto
6- Vit C
7- Isopure ZERO carb whey protein isolate
8- Fish oil
9- No2
10- finasteride ( by the way how much should I use to prevent hair loss and shit ? )
11- Glucosamine and chondroitin

Victor

 

[macrophage69alpha]

probably not, but HGH is a factor and when you add other factors it can be the "tipper".

concerns with finasteride. This will reduce DHT, DHT modulates the ER. while not reccomending against, its something to consider. Finasteride use is linked to gyno, for that very reason.

reccomend Nizoral shampoo. again, like the GH, not saying dont use the finasteride but it may need to go, if you notice issues.

 

[VictorBR]

probably not, but HGH is a factor and when you add other factors it can be the "tipper".

concerns with finasteride. This will reduce DHT, DHT modulates the ER. while not reccomending against, its something to consider. Finasteride use is linked to gyno, for that very reason.

reccomend Nizoral shampoo. again, like the GH, not saying dont use the finasteride but it may need to go, if you notice issues.

>>> Humm ... I understand I will stay at 2 iu if my gyno gets any worse I will drop the HGH first thing .....

About the finasteride , how about I take a lower dose ?

My car broke and it is not gonna be ready untill wednesday so I won't be aBLE TO start march 12 like I planned , but I will start a week after march 19 .


Victor