Long R3 IGF-1 Causing Growth Belly???

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Does IGF-1 have the same side affects at GH....after prolonged use does it cause the typical growth belly? Or an increase in waist size?

I am wondering because i like being able to get my waist down to 30inches at 225!! But I also am loving this IGF-1.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of some resarch articals or if anyone has some testimony after several cycles of use!! Ya that mean you X!!

 

[ippon1]

My guess would be yes but not 100% sure. What dose are you thinking of using?

 

[Indy]

Does IGF-1 have the same side affects at GH....after prolonged use does it cause the typical growth belly? Or an increase in waist size?

I am wondering because i like being able to get my waist down to 30inches at 225!! But I also am loving this IGF-1.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of some resarch articals or if anyone has some testimony after several cycles of use!! Ya that mean you X!!

Sure can, GH converts to IGF-1, a post earlier stated that taking IGF IM vs. Sub-q helped combat GH belly, first I heard that, but you never know.....

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

hmmm....i am not too worried now. I am only taking 30mcg ED and this is the first cycle of IGF i have ever done. I am just worried about longterm or multable cycles

 

[bluehen]

a post earlier stated that taking IGF IM vs. Sub-q helped combat GH belly, first I heard that, but you never know.....

I wonder if anyone can confirm this?

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Movin on up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[slat1]

Are you using it IM or subQ. I heard subq may contribute more to organ growth. I am not sure if there is any scientific evidence though.

 

[ed2005]

Are you using it IM or subQ. I heard subq may contribute more to organ growth. I am not sure if there is any scientific evidence though.

I have used it many times and if anything it reduces the waist size, does not cause bloat and the dosages are so small there wouldn't be a worry. It is best used IM into the muscle group to be worked and the pumps are unreal.... Consensus seems to be that sub q is wasted and at the price ther's no point in taking chances. With IM you can physically see under par muscles reacting almost right away. BTW it is not recommended that you use for more than 5 weeks.
Ed

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

I have used it many times and if anything it reduces the waist size, does not cause bloat and the dosages are so small there wouldn't be a worry. It is best used IM into the muscle group to be worked and the pumps are unreal.... Consensus seems to be that sub q is wasted and at the price ther's no point in taking chances. With IM you can physically see under par muscles reacting almost right away. BTW it is not recommended that you use for more than 5 weeks.
Ed

Thanks a ton that answered a whole lot of questions for me....K for you Brother!!!

One more..you can site inject into a particual muscle group(what type of needle to you recommend for this)...IE if im doing back on thurs i can spot inject in my lat like regular AS. Or do you inject under the skin in the area of the muscle. So far i have been injecting it just like you would GH.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

I read somewhere that a 8 week cycle of IGF-1 increases intestinal weight by 10%. I have never heard of someone cycling igf-1 for 8 weeks but I don't know if that would still apply to 2 4 week cycles.

 

[ed2005]

Thanks a ton that answered a whole lot of questions for me....K for you Brother!!!

One more..you can site inject into a particual muscle group(what type of needle to you recommend for this)...IE if im doing back on thurs i can spot inject in my lat like regular AS. Or do you inject under the skin in the area of the muscle. So far i have been injecting it just like you would GH.

You are not getting the benefits bro by injecting sub q. You site inject into the muscle group being worked and you will see a diffence almost immediately. Use a slin pin directly into the muscle and split the dose, 50% one side and 50% the other. Alternately you can just do one side with the full amount this session and alternate to the other side next session. There are 2 schools of thought on when to administrate 1. Inject before you workout and 2. Inject immediately after. I have used both and IMO the injecting before works best as you get a really intense feeling in your muscles when you workout, it's like you've already worked out before you even start working out..lol
I really wouldn't go over 5 weeks, It's preached everywhere...4/5 weeks on, 4/5 weeks off.. It's not like AAS, the gains stay on the down time...
Cheers
Ed

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Thanks so much...i have one more wk..im on my forth wk of IGF now. So i will only be hitting muscles once more....So i am deff looking foward to the next 5wk cycle.

 

[informed09]

Does injecting into the muscle you work eliminate the chance of organ growth? One more question, does R3 IGF-1 need to be stored in the fridge?

 

[mendo]

If I was going to inject IGF-1 into my delts...what pins would I want to use?

 

[informed09]

Does injecting into the muscle you work eliminate the chance of organ growth? One more question, does R3 IGF-1 need to be stored in the fridge?

Bump 4 ED or someone who knows

 

[nuthnbutfords]

Dug this info up for ya brotha. From another person...but good info

There are a few recommended ways of using IGF. I prefer to do multiple small injections directly into the muscle using a 1/2 inch insulin syringe. I have found that 60mcgs a day in divided doses works well, however, I do like to do a full 100mcgs a day for the maximum dose during high carb days. I have found through trial and error the most effective way to do IGF is one shot in the morning after breakfast, one shot before I workout and one shot right after I workout. Since IGF acts a lot like insulin (glycogen transporter), I like to take a refreshing carb drink before each workout just after I do the pre-workout IGF injection. The IGF will cause a direct uptake of carbs into your muscles for an impressive pump. Also try using some N02 with the carb drink this will also help the metabolic proccess for an even greater pump.

I hope this information helps.

 

[nuthnbutfords]

The same guy also recommends to do 50days on and 50 days off. Never do it sub-q into the belly..and always inject it IM into the muscle that is being trained that day, and do it after you train the muscle, other wise the pump will be too much to handle during workout.

 

[informed09]

The same guy also recommends to do 50days on and 50 days off. Never do it sub-q into the belly..and always inject it IM into the muscle that is being trained that day, and do it after you train the muscle, other wise the pump will be too much to handle during workout.

K coming your way bro. does it have to be stored in the fridge?

 

[nuthnbutfords]

YES!!!! storing it in the fridge is very important...VERY! And once mixed..it's only good for maybe 10 days in the fridge

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

According to ED all injections are done with a slin pin even spot injections...Even if you are not injecting deep in to the muscle it is still obsorbed.

No its concluded in this thread that you dont get a GROWTH BELLY...thats what the topic of the thread is about....

And Yes you have to store it in the frige at all times...

Damn maybe im cranky its late by me..maybe its all the Test..but come on...all the questions i just answered have already been answered in the thread already

 

[informed09]

According to ED all injections are done with a slin pin even spot injections...Even if you are not injecting deep in to the muscle it is still obsorbed.

No its concluded in this thread that you dont get a GROWTH BELLY...thats what the topic of the thread is about....

And Yes you have to store it in the frige at all times...

Damn maybe im cranky its late by me..maybe its all the Test..but come on...all the questions i just answered have already been answered in the thread already

Damn you are one cranky SOB. NO where in this thread does it state to store it in the fridge. And you can never be to sure about your life and the safety of it as far as organ growth goes. How long dose it last in BA water?

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Well that was the only question that wasnt answered....sorry You got the sore end of the stick.

The shelf life of the mixed IGF depends on what company you buy your IGF from and the purity. When its mixed it has a 28 hour shelf life. when its not mixed it has several months(on the avj)

 

[nuthnbutfords]

According to ED all injections are done with a slin pin even spot injections...Even if you are not injecting deep in to the muscle it is still obsorbed.

No its concluded in this thread that you dont get a GROWTH BELLY...thats what the topic of the thread is about....

And Yes you have to store it in the frige at all times...

Damn maybe im cranky its late by me..maybe its all the Test..but come on...all the questions i just answered have already been answered in the thread already

Calm down Sally. And yes..it will cause organ growth..(ie..GH gut). I can explain it simply. We all know long,high doese GH cycles will cause internal organ growth. GH is converted into IGF-1 in the liver, and in my opinion, the GH is useless until this conversion has taken place. So...when someone is on high doses of GH..is it the GH causing the organs to swell? Or does that take place after the conversion? GH is also converted into other growth factors as well, and some of these growth factors might be contributing to organ growth. None of us are are scientist here. This is just some info I have gathered from searching the net.

As far as keeping it in the fridge..this isn't rocket science. We all know that things that have BS water(some igf-1 kits have acetic acid solutions..or sodium chloride comes w/the kit). If any of these get hot, it will destroy the substance. Thats why we keep slin in fridge..GH in fridge...and YOUR IGF-1 IN FRIDGE!!!!!!

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

I feel all warm and fuzzy he called me Sally!!

Well i am talking about taking low doesed of IGF-1...We all know at hight doesed GH will make you get the "growth belly"

If i am not wrong i could be...i am no expert. But isnt alot of GH obsorbed and spead through your body via the blood vessles in your intestines much the nutriants in food. Causing your intestines to grow along with the rest of your body..and of course whatever passes through your liver.

But with the technique of spot injecting the IGF-1 that should reduce the effect even more....No??????

 

[informed09]

Well that was the only question that wasnt answered....sorry You got the sore end of the stick.

The shelf life of the mixed IGF depends on what company you buy your IGF from and the purity. When its mixed it has a 28 hour shelf life. when its not mixed it has several months(on the avj)

Im still confused on the mixing part. Can you explain how to mix it? From what I understand once the water hits the powder it only has a 28 hr. shelf life. Wouldnt this ruin your bottel and not allow for the 4-5 wk cycle. Sorry this might sound dumb but i just want to know b4 I waste money or the product. Thanks

 

[Gman1]

ive read this thread and OK, SO, yes you store it in a fridge, duh, the original ?question? was though, does low doeses of IGF1, 30-50mcg day for 4-5weeks cause growth gut? one person says yes another no>????

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

at low doses NO! I actually got in contact with someone who has done several(more on the line of alot) cycles of IGF...he has a 30inch comp waist and is a 33 now.

 

[informed09]

Could someone be so kind to explain the mixing process? I understand its not the main point of this thread but it is on topic.

 

[Gman1]

ya mixing process would help to.. im thinking about getting some.. but also i know this thread isnt about it.. but compared to insulin how would yall rate igf-1 to strait insulin?? and this might seem like a stupid question, but if used insulin before.. and sub q of course, but i see that igf-1 is intra muscular, has anyone ever tried insulin site injections?? that would prob be dangerious, but im just wondering ??? i never thought of it..

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

ok....

It all depends how many mcg you are buying...I get 1000mcg. Use 2ml of bac water.

1ml=100iu

Hense you would get 200iu's. 200 divided by 1000 would mean each iu is 5mcg.

You just have to mix the powder ever so slowly.


AND I STAND CORRECTED AND ALL THE STUFF THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT SHELF LIFES ARE WRONG......I WAS TALKING TO THE AG GUYS AND THE SHELF LIFE OF MIXED IGF-1 IS THE SAME AS NON MIXED IGF-1 POWDER! YOU CAN MIX IT AND YOU HAVE 1 YEAR TO USE IT AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IT ALONG SIDE YOUR BEER!

 

[ed2005]

Work is mad at the minute so I'm only getting on occasionally...sorry.. Problem is that there are so many different brands of IGF they all come in different ways. The one I get comes already re-constituted in liquid form
but I mix it with bacs water each time I use the dose to take away the 'sting'. Unfortunately the mixing process is different from company to company so a general mixing rule doesn't apply as some companys have powder form and some liquid already re-constituted. If your worried PM me and tell me the brand and I'll try to explain but at the end of the day the company of origin should be supplying this information.
I think some people are too obcessed with growth belly....at 40mcgs per day on IGF for 4/5 weeks you are not going to increase your waist size unless you start shooting the stuff in your gut... The whole point of spot injecting is that when breaking down the muscle during your workout the IGF is freely available when needed in that area inducing hyperplasia. Once again remember that the IGF, unlike AAS, actually creates new cells instead of enlarging existing ones.
Anyway here's the storage conditions for anyone interested courtesy of a very good 'Spark':
Ed

Storage
The stability of a liquid solution of LR3IGF-I was monitored for a period of two years at storage conditions of -20 C, +4 C, +22 C, and +37 C. The final concentration of LR3IGF-I was in acetic acid. At various time points, samples were taken and compared to a lyophilized control (stored at 4 C). Listed below are the stability results for each respective storage condition.

Storage Condition: -20 C (-4 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +4 C (39.2 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +22 C (71.6 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +37 C (98.6 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 1 year
Immunological Activity No Change up to 1 year
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 1 year
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 1 year

There is no significant difference in the potency of LR3IGF-I associated with the storage of the liquid formulation when stored at this range of temperatures. There is no evidence for loss of biological activity at any of the tested temperatures when stored as a liquid product.

As you can see IGF can be quite stable for even a year at room temp, but if you want to keep it around for a while stick it into the fridge. So IMO the best way to store LR3 that is suspended in BA is in the freezer. The BA wont allow it to freeze. And if you have it suspended in AA, store it in the fridge.

 

[informed09]

Thanks for all the help ans your time. K to both of you.

 

[informed09]

Got to spread it around but I will hit you both soon. thanks