London: man shot by police on Tube

[75th]

I'm not even gonna point out the irelevancy of much of your post. I'll let it stand there to serve as a display of your ignorance.

I'll take on this point? "ACTIONS"?

What ACTIONS warrant shooting by a police officer?

Please do tell.

Oh, i know.

THREAT TO SAFETY.

Meaning:

BOMB == SHOOT TO KILL

NO BOMB == ARREST, TRIAL, JURY CONVICTION.

The cops arguments of "I think the guy had a bomb?" are right up there with incompetent cops proclaiming "I think the black guy had a gun".

I hope they interrogate this thoroughly and see just how exactly did they arrive at this "We think he has a bomb" scenario.

No one saw "wires", except, conveniently, the cops. I smell nothing more than an excuse for over-zealousness. A coverup. Oh, and that's MY opinion.

I love the apathy of the public. He's middle eastern, so automatically 90% of people have arleady made up the conclusion in their head. If it was a white female -- there'd be uproars everywhere ("C'mon, they really think a 23 y/o whtie female is a terrorist!! Idiot cops! MURDERERS!"). People are so predictable.

What isn't an opinion, and is the law, our basic freedoms -- is NOT SHOOTING SUSPECTS UNLESS LIVES ARE IN DANGER.

point blank. If you think otherwise, well let us know how the Komrade Party is coming along.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[75th]

What if he was an illegal alien running away from deportation???

Wonder if the Border Patrol can now shoot any middle eastern "looking" people jumping the border. Let's carry on this great new trend. Trials are for losers.

Seriously, where do you come up with these assertions?

 

[Razorguns]

Seriously, where do you come up with these assertions?

Why not? It's 2005 and cops are shooting suspects ("whose harm to the public is debatable") in the head in city streets. Could this reality be that far off? Maybe not in legislation, but in condoneness.

 

[jnevin]

I'm not even gonna point out the irelevancy of much of your post. I'll let it stand there to serve as a display of your ignorance.

I'll take on this point? "ACTIONS"?

What ACTIONS warrant shooting by a police officer?

Please do tell.

Oh, i know.

THREAT TO SAFETY.

Meaning:

BOMB == SHOOT TO KILL

NO BOMB == ARREST, TRIAL, JURY CONVICTION.

The cops arguments of "I think the guy had a bomb?" are right up there with incompetent cops proclaiming "I think the black guy had a gun".
I hope they interrogate this thoroughly and see just how exactly did they arrive at this "We think he has a bomb" scenario.

No one saw "wires", except, conveniently, the cops. I smell nothing more than an excuse for over-zealousness. A coverup. Oh, and that's MY opinion.

I love the apathy of the public. He's middle eastern, so automatically 90% of people have arleady made up the conclusion in their head. If it was a white female -- there'd be uproars everywhere ("C'mon, they really think a 23 y/o whtie female is a terrorist!! Idiot cops! MURDERERS!"). People are so predictable.
What isn't an opinion, and is the law, our basic freedoms -- is NOT SHOOTING SUSPECTS UNLESS LIVES ARE IN DANGER.

point blank. If you think otherwise, well let us know how the Komrade Party is coming along.

Sorry bro, but those are pretty dumb things to say to prove this point. Bomb does equal kill if there's a suspect running toward a crowded subway after others fitting the description murdered innocents recently. He ran from the police. Fucking watch COPS, next time some skinny white guy or white girl run away from the police. They get put down hard as hell. Don't fuck with it and you don't have to worry about it. Stop using the 23 year old white girl bullshit to prove your point. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

[Razorguns]

They get put down hard as hell.

Exactly. They don't get KILLED.

Death is absolute. Death is instant judge, jury and executioner.

Absent direct threat of safety -- Death by cop is the complete removal of ANY democractic judicial system we can ever have. It removes all that, and brings the role of "hey he's not a threat, but let's be safe and kill him anyways" to some average high-school graduated cop.

The role of who lives or dies is placed in the hands of Bareny Fife. WHO are you kidding?

If there's no threat to safety -- you DON'T shoot. If you don't believe in ths, well i hope you get shot one day during a traffic stop cuz you reached down to get your license.

And if you believe essential rights shoudl be eliminated cuz of the war on terror -- well i hope the patriot act doesn't land on YOUR front door very soon.

 

[Austin316]

well what do you expect? London is gripped by fear atm, if someone is being uncooperative and looks dangerous then normal rationization post 2 weeks ago isn't going to be in effect now, if the guy was guilty and a terrorist or sympathizer then good riddance, if not yea it sucks but his family members shouldn't blame the police but rather the people who created this kind of atmosphere in the first place

 

[75th]

Exactly. They don't get KILLED.

Death is absolute. Death is instant judge, jury and executioner.

Absent direct threat of safety -- Death by cop is the complete removal of ANY democractic judicial system we can ever have. It removes all that, and brings the role of "hey he's not a threat, but let's be safe and kill him anyways" to some average high-school graduated cop.

The role of who lives or dies is placed in the hands of Bareny Fife. WHO are you kidding?

If there's no threat to safety -- you DON'T shoot. If you don't believe in ths, well i hope you get shot one day during a traffic stop cuz you reached down to get your license.

And if you believe essential rights shoudl be eliminated cuz of the war on terror -- well i hope the patriot act doesn't land on YOUR front door very soon.

Give me a break.

 

[jnevin]

Exactly. They don't get KILLED.

Death is absolute. Death is instant judge, jury and executioner.

Absent direct threat of safety -- Death by cop is the complete removal of ANY democractic judicial system we can ever have. It removes all that, and brings the role of "hey he's not a threat, but let's be safe and kill him anyways" to some average high-school graduated cop.

The role of who lives or dies is placed in the hands of Bareny Fife. WHO are you kidding?

If there's no threat to safety -- you DON'T shoot. If you don't believe in ths, well i hope you get shot one day during a traffic stop cuz you reached down to get your license.

And if you believe essential rights shoudl be eliminated cuz of the war on terror -- well i hope the patriot act doesn't land on YOUR front door very soon.

You're not getting it at all. The ones that don't get killed aren't terror suspects that may be on their way to a crowded public place to do a suicide bombing. Murder or armed robbery suspects get taken down and killed when they don't listen.

In this case, there was a threat to safety. He may not have had a bomb, but was a suspect, didn't listen when he should have, and got fucked up because of a bad choice. Happens every day.

 

[Austin316]

what if what if what if, dude what if the guy had indeed HAD a bomb and your innaction resulted in the deaths and maimings of hundreds of men women and children? what then?
Bottom line is you don't know what happened for real, you weren't there, so shut up with your holier then thou what if BS

when more shit comes out, evidence supporting one side or another, then feel free to get right back into your arguments but you need to at least understand what the mind set of a london cop has to be right now, and if you can honestly say after all that shit JUST happened to your city and you WOULD DEF act 100% rational in that sitution then so be it

 

[Razorguns]

but was a suspect, didn't listen when he should have, and got fucked up because of a bad choice. Happens every day.

Next time an unarmed black male gets shot to death cuz he was reaching for his license during a traffic stop -- i'll remember that.

And how wise of you to start giving the pwoers of life or death to high-school educated cops. Wow. Faith in government is amazing isn't it?

If there's no THREAT, you DON'T KILL. Call me a wacko huh?

Heck why don't we just start opening fire on every police car chase too while we're at it?

Drug dealer running down the street? Why chase? Just shoot him now just to be safe. His fault for running.

When you get fucked over by cops one day -- feel free to read these threads.