Let's talk oestrogen

[Tatyana]

and progesterone while we are at it.

I have been doing a wee bit of reading about anabolic hormones and growing cattle, and from what I can gather, they always give cows testosterone (usually tren) and an oestrogen.

Typically the dose of oestrogen is 1/10th that of the testosterone.

They have found that they put on more muscle with this combination.

I know some of you have mentioned that your gains are not as good when you use an oestrogen suppressor.

If this is the case, why is oestrogen (and progesterone) considered to be the 'big bad'?

In sex hormone synthesis (this is super simplified) testosterone is derived from progesterone and progesterone precursors, and oestrogen and testosterone have a reaction that can go either way, and obviously we all know some steroids aromatise to oestrogen.

Has anyone ever considered or experimented with a similar cycle as a cow?

Or is it that the steers can't complain of gyno?

 

[bigtravis]

and progesterone while we are at it.

I have been doing a wee bit of reading about anabolic hormones and growing cattle, and from what i can gather, they always give cows testosterone (usually tren) and an oestrogen.

Typically the dose of oestrogen is 1/10th that of the testosterone.

They have found that they put on more muscle with this combination.

I know some of you have mentioned that your gains are not as good when you use an oestrogen suppressor.

If this is the case, why is oestrogen (and progesterone) considered to be the 'big bad'?

In sex hormone synthesis (this is super simplified) testosterone is derived from progesterone and progesterone precursors, and oestrogen and testosterone have a reaction that can go either way, and obviously we all know some steroids aromatise to oestrogen.

Has anyone ever considered or experimented with a similar cycle as a cow?

Or is it that the steers can't complain of gyno?

neeelllssson!!!!there is a woman in our forum.

 

[Tatyana]

LOL!

Isn't test considered one of the big mass builders because of the aromatisation to oestrogen?

 

[aquatic_glories]

well there are studies showing that you get better results from trenbolone with increased estrogen. I am sure you can find them easily. I have also heard this from a few experienced bb ers who are also doctors

 

[bigtravis]

That's a good point there "T". I did some research and they told me that they add the OESTROGEN to create a better fat ratio to give the meat a better taste.

 

[eClenbuterol]

Are we talking in just men or females as well?

 

[enacer420nj]

They probably dont care when the cows grow tits

 

[bigtravis]

She's just trying to prove us men as being inferior that we require OESTROGEN to gain mass. HA! Silly woman.
I'm going to the Womens fitness forum and ask if I were to inject a mixture of OESTROGEN and MIDOL into my manboobs will it subdue the cramps in my nips.

 

[needtogetaas]

and progesterone while we are at it.

I have been doing a wee bit of reading about anabolic hormones and growing cattle, and from what I can gather, they always give cows testosterone (usually tren) and an oestrogen.

Typically the dose of oestrogen is 1/10th that of the testosterone.

They have found that they put on more muscle with this combination.

I know some of you have mentioned that your gains are not as good when you use an oestrogen suppressor.

If this is the case, why is oestrogen (and progesterone) considered to be the 'big bad'?

In sex hormone synthesis (this is super simplified) testosterone is derived from progesterone and progesterone precursors, and oestrogen and testosterone have a reaction that can go either way, and obviously we all know some steroids aromatise to oestrogen.

Has anyone ever considered or experimented with a similar cycle as a cow?

Or is it that the steers can't complain of gyno?

Some pro bodybuilders have been quoted saying "estrogen testosteron same thing it all builds muscle). Years ago there used to be pure estrogen injects too and you bet your ass pro's were using it. There still out there but they are not as main stream.


estrogen is not the (big bad) only pricks who sell ai's and push ai's make them out to be the big bad. because they make money on it. Let the estrogen role and don't kill the gains it can bring. Only use and AI if you start to experence the bad sides from it like gyno or big time acne.

Lots of people who sell ai's love to push htat run and ai from the start of a cycle crap but they are dead wrong and they know it.

They play and scare tactic that you will get gyno if you do not use a ai from the start of a cycle. They play on the fact that some people get scared of the bloat.

The bloat comes off after the cycle people. Let is ride and use it to your advantage!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tatyana]

Are we talking in just men or females as well?

Both with more of a slant towards women.

Most think they have to get rid of their oestrogen to build muscle.