I can remember way back when elite was the board to be at, then it changed format and looked like everyone abandoned it. I used to stop by and check it out once in a while but it seemed like it was populated by a bunch of kids. Now I see it has grown and matured but i am really concerned by this paranoid IP bashing that seems rampant. Isn't it interesting that on everyother board, IP is a gold source while here there seems to be an inordinate amount of negative comments with no real science to back it up, I do not see anyone gettting the stuff tested(IP has a standard offer of $10K to anyone who can produce legitamate lab results showing his products are underdosed) With literally thousands of people using his products and raving about them, here we see some folks who have not even used them bashing them. I can speak from experience that all the products that I have used from IP were as good or better than others I have used including ttokkyo. IP haqs been around for many years and operated out of many countries and in my opinion he is the single individual that has contributed the most to allowing access to quality goods at great prices. Hey, you do not want to use him ,DON'T but do not bash him unless you have some proof, underdosed and impurities, give me a break! Put up or shut up!