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Here's an email I got. I'm not mentioning any names or anything, but this doesn't look good to me.

.........................im very dedicated to eating good, training hard and staying fit. I started my first cycle a week and 5 days ago...it is all IP products, im on 100mg ED winny and 50mg ED Oxadrolone. I woke up this
morning with a bloody nose and coughing up blood. This freaked me out and made me think about some things..........................

Now I know that 100mg of winny per day is alot, but I think that the problem is caused by something else, like maybe "impurities" in the products? The only reason I think this is because it's not the first email I've received about something like this happening with these certain products and the others weren't taking nearly as high of doses.:angel:
 
He has the same thing posted in a thread here too, its quite sad really.
 
I wouldn't touch stuff from an underground lab. Who knows what dose you are really taking or what else is in them.
I also think the dosages are made way too high. There's a reason that legit companies manfuacture winny pills in 2 and 5 mg tabs. Humans weren't meant to take 100 mg of it at a time.
 
wouldn't it be smarter to get a bloodtest

to see what really is the problem?
Is it really so difficult to think of that?
 
Even if he was using legit stuff, he (im my modest opinion) should not be using two liver toxic orals in the first place. To me it sounds like a kid afrraid of needles...or afraid his parent will find out, so instead of risking that, he risked his health instead.
 
i have been flamed by the fonz and others about using these crap products...dnp,clen,ip ,vet and the rest of the crap.....stick with human grade and dont over do it...pretty simple
 
Yeah but in the other thread he's more worried about his parents finding out than anything else.

AS are not for kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please if they ask tell them to wait!!!!

Some 15 year olds gonna wind up dead soon!!!
 
I'm on the IP winny at 100mg ed and don't have any problems to speek of , sound like he's gonna get grounded , I'm with Needleboy kids don't need to be tinkering with this stuff.

But as for the products being used I like mine
 
I think the point here is this is a KID... A kid who clearly did not do much if any real research before using. Additionally when he got into trouble he was afraid to do the right thing and get to a hospital, for fear of his parents. This is some scary shit!!!!!! Lastly he was persistent in board members helping him diagnose or solve the problem, something none of us would do. Anyway like I said, SCARY shit kids...?
 
Did any of you read my post or just skim through the middle. THIS IS THE THIRD PERSON WITH THE SAME THING! All you IP supporters just don't want to believe the truth.
 
The only thing I see is that the idiot is doing 150 mg of orals a day. His blood pressure is probably through the roof; thus the nose bleeds.
 
Yes, that's true eviscerator, but as I stated, the other two who made the same claims were not using nearly as high of doses, AS I ALREADY SAID DAM IT.
 
The_Eviscerator said:
The only thing I see is that the idiot is doing 150 mg of orals a day. His blood pressure is probably through the roof; thus the nose bleeds.
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Yup! He probably doesn't even know that AS ups your bp.
 
The_Eviscerator said:
The only thing I see is that the idiot is doing 150 mg of orals a day. His blood pressure is probably through the roof; thus the nose bleeds.
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You're right!!
And let's test the **'s stuff as soon as possible...

BTW It happen to me too on summer to wake up w/blod from nose...I checked w/a doctor and all was fine...just a little vein(capillare...can't find the word!)broken caused by my cold!
 
Nose bleeds don't mean a damn thing, it is just coincidence.
I have friends that always get nose bleeds on dbol and winny, no matter what brand or dosage they use.

As far as IP's products go, they are the shit. I have used just about every fucking steroid imaginable human and vet, by nearly every manufacturer.......
His shit is GOOD! The viagra rocks, the propecia rocks, the anavar(10mg) is great, the winny is awsome same goes for the dbol and anadrol. I have used all of these.

His susto300,deca300, and cyp250 are also top notch...Just as good as anything else I have used.

through MY personal first hand experiences, I have had more problems with more common gear..i.e..russian dbol, nor200, omnadren etc. than I have had with his shit.
 
El Cubano

First let me just say- I have nothing but respect for you!!

However while there may be some question as to the quality of IP gear, it may only be part of the problem. The reason IP gear may be involved in all cases is that it is all these kids can afford. When I was 15 I didn't have $400-$700 to do a cycle, but with IP it is affordable for them to do. Additionally these are kids who think if a little is good alot is better. I have a feeling they would be in just as bad a shape no mattere the manufacturer.

Anyway I never do orals, am using IP deca and sust, so far no probems (nicked a vein in my ass yesterday, but that was my fault) 1st time I've used it. I 'm using Ttokkyo eq and tren(homebrew) for the secnd half of my cycle.
 
I have absolutely no clue who ** is. Both El Cubano and Conan are skeptical of this guy. That alone IMO is enough to cause concern.
 
el cubano, no disrespect but i love ip products and have made great progress with them and never had any problems.ive used most of his line of products, and his products are just as good as the name brands.
the reason a lot of people run into complications is because they think if its cheaper i can use alot more.yes if your experienced thats fine but for someone new taking 100mg a winny a day thats a lot.you need to know how your body responds to something before taking high dosages.everybody praises fina so i decided to use it and it was not for me.all im saying is people are always blaming the drugs and not themselves.
 
When i first got my shipment of ips winny abombs and anavars, i started out with 1 abomb ed. After i failed to see anything for a week, i upped it to 2 tabs ed. Nothing. So i switched to his winnyies and anavars. I took 2 winny tabs and 4 anavars ed. I saw bare minimal results. Im still not sure whats up with china mans shit, but it aint all kosher, i can tell you that. Whos to say that batch of anavar or dball youve got isnt really methyltest or something?? Im sure he doesnt always make all his products totally legit, hed make a lot less money. I can hear Ips supporters now-"well, if people who knew drugs pretty good were buying from him and not liking his shit, suspecting him of not putting in the right compounds etc., theyd speak up". Well we have. I personally dont like Ips shit, neither does slopain, e2, ulter, and quite a few more vets. You know, its almost as if you newer people sit here and say " well, E2 knows more than i do about gear and cycles and everything, and he hasnt tried to screw me up yet, but this time im smarter than him. Ip is not a scammer, all the vets saying his shit sucks have a vested interst in other companies, so theyre triend to screw me up to make money". Wrong. E2 isnt the only vet saying not to buy IP, many others do as well, i just used him for my example. If you can realistically sit there and admit, maqrophage, gymratsd, ulter, bchemist etc. are more knowledgable than you about this shit, why would you go and assume youre smarter and go with his shit anyway? You know what? I did. And i wasted a good deal of money. PLEASE remember who and what youre dealing with here, ip is not a big sophisticasted lab, and he really does not give a shit about you, your health, your money, or how badly you need gear. Remember, this guy is in china. DO you really think he cares if he fucks up your order? Do you think he really gets all choked up knowing he just sent you a bunch of crap fooling you into thinking its real gear and you just got in on the deal of a lifetime? Get real. What are you gonna do, get on a boat, locate his little headquarters, and kick his ass?? Please. If you have money to waste and you dont really care if you dont get real gear, go right ahead and buy from him. But never say i didnt warn you first. You know, yeah gear is expensive. Yeah wed all like to use anavar and gh. But theyre soooo expensive!! Right. Theyre the best drugs you can find, the most sophisticated and effective. If you cant afford them, then buy what you can afford, or save till you can get what you want. IP just cashes in on human nature. I know because he cashed in on me. I said i wanted anavar and anadrol and winny, but they were too expensive if i went with tokyo or whatever. Then i saw his prices, and i just gave in. But it doesnt have to be that way. PLEASE DONOT BUY FROM THIS CLANDESTINE IMPOSTER. I would like to remind you all of one thing-International Pharmaceuticals was at one time a very legit underground lab. They were well know for test that had a tendancy to crystalize do to overdosing. The test would precipitate from the oil and youd have to heat it up to expand the oil enough to mix with the test. IP is not the same company!! He is a man in china cashing in YOUR ignorance!! Save you money, or dont buy what you cannot afford. If you choose to buy from him anyway, i wish oyu the best of luck. O by the way, the email el cubano psted sounds like someone took a HUGE dose of halo, or methyltest, or god only knows what! Funny thing, you all are saying the guy who said this is a teenager, yet IPs autoresponce clearl says he wont deal with anyone who sounds like theyre under 18...sniff..sniff...It just chokes me up to see he truly cares...sniff...sniff...
 
First, DO NOT BUY IP! Second, a nose bleed for no reason does mean a lot. It usually, means that your blood pressure is very elevated, your blood has thinned out and that is not a good sign. Now, two orals are not bad, and 100mg of winny is not that bad either. Considering a lot of us use, winny at 150 mg eod by injecting. (at least I did) And I used halo at the same time without a problem.

If for any reason you suddenly get a nose bleed, and those are not normal for you, go see a doc. It is your life and I don't think you want to die so soon.

I read the post el cubano, and people would have to be a fool to use ip period.
 
im with methyl mike on this one bros, i used his anadrol for 4 weeks before i finally called it quits with no, and i mean NO results. started at 1 tab a day and went up to 3 tabs a day, and nothing. makes ya wonder how consistent dosages/tab are and sometimes if theres any active ingredient at all..............:mad:




peace bb79
 
It's just like when kids don's listen to their dads. The MODs have been around a lot longer and have seen more shit then most of the people that post to this board put together. If they say, "Stay away from this guy". Then I'm going to listen to them without question. Anybody that does different is ignoring an very valuable resource and will one day regret it.
Genarr3
 
1Banshee said:
I think the point here is this is a KID... A kid who clearly did not do much if any real research before using. Additionally when he got into trouble he was afraid to do the right thing and get to a hospital, for fear of his parents. This is some scary shit!!!!!! Lastly he was persistent in board members helping him diagnose or solve the problem, something none of us would do. Anyway like I said, SCARY shit kids...?
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Uh... how did you get all that from what el cubano posted?

HO-LY SHIT!! It's Nostradomas!! Hey bro, do you think you can squeeze out some lottery numbers for me?

And who's going to win the Series this year?
 
MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

stop it stop it..

i don't want to hear it.

i read a god damn million posts on here about how great these fucking winny tabs are, went out and bought the shit along with clomid/nolva and now i'm afraid to fucking use it.

FUCK.

why do you guys have to ruin it for everybody.


no, i'm just playing.. about being pissed that is. i'm glad el cubano posted this. BUT there have been 100 times more posts on how great the results were from these products.

right?

sorry, i haven't been keeping up to date with the latest testing procedure that was going to be done on the winny, but is it still going on? i am willing to send donation now if so.
 
I am in total agreement with Vdevil. I have used the man's cyp, durabolin, d-bol, viagra and arimidex, and I have some of the winny stashed away for a future cycle. I have used the human grade equivalent of all of these, and I feel that his are at least as good.

I'm not telling anyone to run out and buy his products, and I have no financial interest in this whatsoever. If you don't want to use his stuff, fine. I will continue to use it, along with other gear.

It's not just "dumb newbies" who like his gear.
 
IP is an independent source based in China who makes his own products.

Now I'm not saying that he is making these products to hurt us, I just think that he needs to put more time and research into his stuff before he markets it cuz obviously he is just trying to make the stuff and sell it as quick as he can instead of trying to make quality, safe products.:angel:
 
Andy13 said:
The only tests that have been done are bio asseys.
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obviously i'm not big into the sciences here, but if bio = Life; living organism: biome. Biology; biological: biophysics and assay = Qualitative or quantitative analysis of a substance, especially of an ore or drug, to determine its components. - then wouldn't that show all the contents of the product, thereby insuring the quality of it if came back good and being the only test needed?
 
bros its time to stop this bullshit..listen to the mods they are doing this for your own saftey...I have to admit when i saw his products and prices i almost started crying of joy....but everything is not proven yet...some people say its good alot say its bad..untill we have exact results from tests let the subject be dropped...when you take AS you should study up on what can happen to your body in terms of sides... most of the information we have on all AS has been from years and years of personal use and studies...we dont know what IP's stuff contains or can do in terms of harm to your body...so if you plan on putting something in your body that can do potential harm spend the damn extra money that way you know what your getting into...The mods and vets are here for our safty...so untill everything is proven, treat your body very well, cause you only have one...and spend the extra cash and get the best gear....wait untill china man is proven by lab results and the mods back him up...my 2cents lata g
 
there is only one problem with all the guys putting ** down

quote:

"all the vets saying his shit sucks have a vested interst in other companies, so theyre triend to screw me up to make money".
I leave that in the middle. Don't care myself who makes money out of what, that is not the issue here.

The problem is, every one is saying ** sucks, but no one of those who say that ever used his products.

Furthermore those who are against should bring up the money to prove THEIR point of view.

Now i never used Test or Sust, anyone wanting my advice on that subject? No?

Strange world.
 
El_Cubano usually I wouldnt pay attention to this advice but coming from you well..... Im about to reconsider my next order from IP. Im not saying his products are bad or good, maybe these guys already had high blood pressure problems. But anyway thanks for the infos
 
Manny, you don't get high BP from **'s products

You get high BP from roids. As for me the only that does not give high BP is Anavar. No mather what brand.
 
Re: Manny, you don't get high BP from **'s products

Jeff_rys said:
You get high BP from roids. As for me the only that does not give high BP is Anavar. No mather what brand.
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high dosage of Oxandrolone can give you high pressure especially for those having this problem before.....
 
winny gave me constant bloody nose , and i was on only 50ed (+primo & sus)- and i remember from talking to some bros it's a commen side.

P.S.- i've never tried IP's it was a jurox.
 
no, not me Manny

and i was using 120 mgr/day, now 40 mgr/day and i changed my mind, from monday 160 mgr every two days.

Furhermore even when on Primo it takes maybe 6 weeks before high BP comes and i am on the Ox for already 15 weeks, one week of nothing in the middle of it, so 15-16 weeks.
 
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Jeff_rys said:
and i was using 120 mgr/day, now 40 mgr/day and i changed my mind, from monday 160 mgr every two days.

Furhermore even when on Primo it takes maybe 6 weeks before high BP comes and i am on the Ox for already 15 weeks, one week of nothing in the middle of it, so 15-16 weeks.
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O not for you but some people have high pressure probs... even without taking roids... so by taking gear (even anavar) they can increase their problem.. As I told you before few people are concerned and it takes high dosage of Ox to get it.....
 
Bottom line is this I think, some of his stuff comes out legit, some comes out underdosed. You'll never know what batch you got unless you test it. I believe this way he makes most people happy but here and there he tries to save some money and makes stuff light. He figures people will still come back if for the most part things work out. Seriously think about it, if you get good gains most of the time its cool, if you don't you'll probably think it might be the products. So you try it again and things work out and you forget about his stuff being questionable and you restore faith.
 
IP Sust, winny, anavar, arimidex, clomid (coming soon). I used all of them and give them all a 10, on a scale from 1-10. If you've used them and not gotten results than, I'm sorry.

But this is just like that argument last week about the supposed "scammer". All the mods, vets, etc... said that you must have proof before calling someone a scammer.

So why don't all the people that are beasically calling IP a scammer have some tests done and prove what you are saying.

As we all know, different people respond differently to different substances! We all know this to be fact!! So if some people didn't respond to ip's shit, why can't this be the answer, like it is when the shit is known to be legit?? As soon as someone, not many, doesn't get gains from IP's shit, it is assumed to be bunk! What the Fuck? If you use ttokkyo EQ and get no results, should that person come on here and say that ttokkyo is no good? And if more than one person don't get results on the same EQ should it be labeled bunk gear? NO!

I will say the same thing you vets said about that other supposed scammer: What if what you are saying is not true, then you have ruined his reputation. Did you guys think of that? What if this guy really does take pride in delivering quality gear?

You are right...we don't know him, but neither do you. So, just because you are a mod, gives you no right to say his shit is bunk without a test. So if you want to call his gear shit, get it tested and prove it. After that you can shove it all the IP supporters faces, and laugh at us! Because all the "all knowing" mods were right and us "newbies" were wrong.

I'll quote Stew Meat:
It does sound bad on the surface, but this board has rules and guidelines that must be followed in order to protect people's reputations
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Do these rules and guidelines not apply to IP??

The only ones that should give their opinions on IP's products are the ones that have tried it. You can tell us all you want that "I will stay away from his stuff" but that's all you should say! You can tell us what other people have told you about his products. But No opinions should be rendered unless you have actually used it.

Sorry if I've offended anyone, especially the mods:D

See Ya,
B-10
 
Kingjohn i live in a shitty world

especially Europe, a combination of many shitty countries.

And i had my share of high BP, even when i never had taken any roid at all. So Manny, anyone with high BP should not take roids to begin with, or should take mediation to control that BP.
Still i find it very hard to believe, anyone with high BP would get an even higher when taken Ox.
Now i am going to answer the way i always get answers.
I want proof and on paper of that.
 
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Just my own conclusions..........
I have used his winny tabs, his 40 mg anavar, his clen, and his arimidex. These are the only products of his I have used so I can`t comment on any of the others. I can say for fact that all 4 of these compounds worked and worked very well for me and my training partner.
I have no reason to bullshit nor do I care what the opinion of his products are, I just am relaying my findings.
 
Kingjohn, we all have different opinions

but i don't understand where you are going at

"What does that have to do with any source getting over on someone with a couple of $$$ ?"

Please explain
 
All I can say is that the only P! Products I have seen are the 10 mg Anavars. A friend of mine whose father works in a medical lab tested them for him and they came out at 11.2 mg a piece. Now I never saw the reports, but he could have lied.

When I first saw p!'S pricing I was ready to lay down considerable cash, but on second thought I got someone very gullible to order them (my friend) and I told him I would buy a few if they checked out.

The bottom line is like Methyl Mike said, this is not the same IP from before (I believe that lab was in Belgium). Some tabs may be dosed correctly, some may have nothing, and some may have substances that are very detrimental to your health. When doing a cycle of steroids it is very important to know the dosages of the drugs you are taking. I really don't want to take that chance with P!'s shit or using some other subpar crap.
 
kingjohn, that was a mather of speech

quote you:
"I respect that. I also understand you want to see it on paper before you believe IP's a bullshitter. "

I know Lawnsaver had them tested and nobody believes the results. I have been saying how good his OX is, but that doesn't count either.

Furthermore having it tested and scan the results are also "a flash moment". Can well be hundreds of people do not get what they hoped for, but the tests where ok.

What does this mean: well everybody has to buy his own tabs (or whatever one wants to buy) and get them tested and pay the bill. But who wants to do that????

There are only two boards on the web, that do not except **. If you go to Mesomorphosis or Renegade you get different opinions then the ones you might get here.


Plifter: quote you:
"There's a reason that legit companies manfuacture winny pills in 2 and 5 mg tabs. Humans weren't meant to take 100 mg of it at a time."
True they are made to help people not to build mucles.
That's why the low dosages.
 
in week 4 of my fina/winny cycle my bp was alright 120 over 80, its normally a bit lower than that, but I was nontheless happy to see it hadnt gone through the roof.
 
decem said:


obviously i'm not big into the sciences here, but if bio = Life; living organism: biome. Biology; biological: biophysics and assay = Qualitative or quantitative analysis of a substance, especially of an ore or drug, to determine its components. - then wouldn't that show all the contents of the product, thereby insuring the quality of it if came back good and being the only test needed?
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"Bio Assay" is a sarcastic term for a test by someone who has no analytical means whatsoever so he tries the products on himself to see if they work...

Obviously not the most quantitative test out there..



Andy
 
Andy13 said:



"Bio Assay" is a sarcastic term for a test by someone who has no analytical means whatsoever so he tries the products on himself to see if they work...

Obviously not the most quantitative test out there..



Andy
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oh.. hehe..

ha ha ha, i get it.

i knew that all along..... ok, maybe not.

eehhh, chemists have a dry sense of humor.
 
decem said:


oh.. hehe..

ha ha ha, i get it.

i knew that all along..... ok, maybe not.

eehhh, chemists have a dry sense of humor.
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he he.. You wouldn't believe the clout that the "bio assey" has in the bodybuilding community... Shit, it's right up there with infared spectroscopy!
 
Serioulsy this companies products are going to cause a death or two sooner or later.

I read yesterday he has .5mgs of clen in one tablet. That is as much as 25 normal tabs and considering average use is 5-7 normal tablets. ..................

Even a quarter of the super tab is enough to do some damage in one sitting.

Maybe then everyone will understand the difference between an underground lab in China

Sublingual, why didnt Schering or Organon think of that
:confused: please
 
The return address's on all of my packages were from **oops**, so it is most likely made there.

whatsup with all the naysayers(who most all have a vested financial interest in this matter)....
and all the sheep that can't think for themselves??

baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!

Can't knock it till ya try it.
geeesssh.
 
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Even if he was using legit stuff, he (im my modest opinion) should not be using two liver toxic orals in the first place. To me it sounds like a kid afrraid of needles...or afraid his parent will find out, so instead of risking that, he risked his health instead.
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hey zyg, this is one of the most rediculous replys ive seen so far since when is anavar liver toxic and also hes doing winny injects not tabs here so why dont you think before you write ;)
 
Perhaps Zyg should have said two "17aa's" instead of two "liver toxic", but he brings up a good point. While Anavar, by itself, is "liver friendly", Winny is not, and when the two 17aa's are combined there may be more stress on the liver.

While many argue that injected Winny is less liver toxic than oral Winny, virtually all of the injected Winny will still go through the liver.

Zyg may have overstated his case a bit, but I don't think it is unreasonable to be concerned about taking two 17aa's at the same time.

Peace,

Zen
 
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Uh... how did you get all that from what el cubano posted?

HO-LY SHIT!! It's Nostradomas!! Hey bro, do you think you can squeeze out some lottery numbers for me?

And who's going to win the Series this year?
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Andy,
WTF are you rambling about?? What I posted was an extension of the original post. I unfortunately was one of the people who was responding to the kid when the post first came up. Yes, the kid did post his problem on EF in addition to sending it to El Cubano. I was only adding my opinion based on what I knew from the original post.
 
Taking steroids is a risky business if done wrong. If you're gonna take them, do it properly and don't take unnecessary risks. Although this board is a great source of information, quite often looking at what other people do (sometimes risky business) can make it seem easier to do the same for yourself. Everybody has different infuences and reasons for going their distance. At the end of the day you gotta take care of number one and know your limitations. That means being responsible and sensible in how far you should take things. I personally would not go for underground products and would not risk highly alkylated steroids, etc. Play safe bro's, you only get one body and that body is your life. :)
 
For me this sends up a red flag, I intend to take the safer approach and not use IP. His shit may have been great at first to get a following, and now the quality may be lacking. This has been the case before with other companies.
 
People keep saying "Listen to the mods".

But what are the mods saying, its basically "Don't use IP products because I say so."

On the other hand, we have reports from thousands of users who got great results, and we have reports of tests being done that confirmed that the products are legit, but the naysayers keep finding what I consider to be nitpicky reasons to blow off the tests.

I have asked the mods to explain why they don't recommend the products, and the response I get is "It isn't worth my time to type it out." Well, that kind of response is wholly unpersuasive and a waste of everyone's time.

I challenge anyone to provide a more substantial reason to avoid his products (and I'm not talking about pain from his injectables, I'm talking about underdosed products or products that don't contain what they are supposed to). I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PROVIDE SUCH "PROOF" to support their vague bashing.

Think about this, if IP was just pumping out crap, would it really be possible for him to make as many sales as he has and be in business for as long as he has? Of course not.
 
I cannot believe you dipshits take the word of the Mods as gospel.Have you no brains or balls to try it for yourself?

I have never tried ttokyyo (or however the fuck he spells it) so I can't comment and I wouldn't comment until I've tried it.

You guys are hell bent on bashing IP. ALL of his products I have bought are GREAT.

Get a life, try for yourself, then have the balls to post.

Why is this board so anti-IP?
 
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HAVE ANY OF YOU DIPSHITS EVER HEARD OF POLITICS??!!

Its obvious. You dont see IP getting slammed anywhere else do you??? Get your heads out of your asses:mad:
 
ronan said:
I cannot believe you dipshits take the word of the Mods as gospel.Have you no brains or balls to try it for yourself? Whoa whoa whoa, first of all, who the fuck are you calling a dipshit?? Second, its funny you can type cuz you sure cant read. I already posted that i tried his shit, and in the past, several mods and vets and regular members have also voiced anger and dissapointment with his crappy products. Jerk.

You guys are hell bent on bashing IP. ALL of his products I have bought are GREAT. ...clap...clap...clap...brahhhvo...clap...clap
Get a life, try for yourself, then have the balls to post. I did asshole.

Why is this board so anti-IP?
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Because idiots like you defend him and newbies who dont know any better buy from him, thinking that because some people, I.E. you, say his shits good, its worth the risk to get such a ridiculous value.
 
Trev dog, that is probably the dumbest conclusion I've read on this thread. I am just passing along some information I got. I didn't even offer an "opinion" on it. Some of the other mods did offer their "opinion" and not once did it seem in any way that they are saying "DON'T USE IP PRODUCTS CUZ I SAID SO!" They were simply stating their opinoins. Are you going to tell someone that they are wrong cuz they like redhead? That's basically what you are saying about the mods. You are saying that the mods opinoin that he likes redheads automatically means that he is saying that you should like redheads too.

Ronan, why is it that your "IP" address matches a few other member's IP addy?
 
I think 3 people with nosebleeds should get everyone's feathers in a ruffle.

I hate to admit it but you guys, in general, get all hellbent, distressed, and crazy over little stuff. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's proven to work by many people so why do we keep on questioning it. Two months ago, people where questioning Mexican products like Ttokkyo and now it's respected. I think Mods should voice their opinions unless they've tried it themselves.

Shame on you Mods for saying anything negative unless you have seen or experienced any negative effects from IP's products. You of all people should know better.
 
FUCK IPs SHIT I am not kidding.... I got fooled into buying his 50mg D-Bols and didnt see shit for gains.... and whenever I blew my nose there was blood mixed up with the snot, no lie. I only did 3 weeks of that shit and threw the rest where all his other shit belongs---- in the trash.

How do we know people arent actually DYING from this shit? What are they gonna do, log on to Elitefitness.com from there deathbed and post "I died from IP's Roids, that bastard"! Or someone make a Poll from Heaven or Hell "Poll: How many people have died from using IP's products?"

Wake up guys.... as I did.....
 
el cubano....

El cubano, this is with all due respect, please consider that and don't get on the defensive/offensive here.

I don't post here much, you'd know that, my home is Anabolex where I'm a mod.

Now my point is two-fold really, and the first less serious matter I will bring up first. In relation to the kid's health and nose bleeds, I believe it could be something to do with simple blood pressure? I'm not sure how AS will affect a teen's BP or the like, so can't comment too much more than that. If it was an impurity which is causing nose bleeds and the like, care to speculate on what? I can't think of anything, I would say it is more likely real AS would cause nose bleeds than any kitchen product or cutting agent.

Second point is more serious. You not only mention IP's name a lot - and last I saw he wasn't posting here or in his defense - but you NAME where he operates from and how.... now this might be common knowledge to some, but I have to say - it isn't called for champ. I know you are probably doing all this with the very best of intentions, I dont' doubt that, but still - I don't think we need to pin point for the relevant authorities exactly where our suppliers of choice operate from. In my country, that post alone (and it was probably read) will put an immediate flag on all mail coming from that destination.

Please reconsider, feel free to email me ([email protected]) IronMike
 
Iron Mike

couldn't it be from taking roids. My BP is low and i do get nose bleeds when taking 120 mgr OX/day. This stops when going down to 80. Just a thought.
 
Methyl Mike,

First up, time for your paranoia pills. Where did I mention I was referring to you?????? Arsehole and Jerk huh? Very intelligent reply. Take you long to think it up?

El Cubano,

as to why my IP addy comes up under 3 different names, fucked if I know. Been posting with this name for a long time and as you can see hardly ever post here.

Please post em, I'd like to see which names are being used??????????
 
One should allways be suspicous about underground labs but would'nt it hurt their business if their products were getting a bad reputation of being underdosed and containing something different then they were supposed to?

I mean, they would be out of business in short time if this was the case - nobody would buy their products!?

I agree in that they probably don't give a rats ass about the users or making sure their products are 100% clean but I presume they want to keep making money and hence HAVE to maintain a certain degree of quality!?

Crom
 
I can remember way back when elite was the board to be at, then it changed format and looked like everyone abandoned it. I used to stop by and check it out once in a while but it seemed like it was populated by a bunch of kids. Now I see it has grown and matured but i am really concerned by this paranoid IP bashing that seems rampant. Isn't it interesting that on everyother board, IP is a gold source while here there seems to be an inordinate amount of negative comments with no real science to back it up, I do not see anyone gettting the stuff tested(IP has a standard offer of $10K to anyone who can produce legitamate lab results showing his products are underdosed) With literally thousands of people using his products and raving about them, here we see some folks who have not even used them bashing them. I can speak from experience that all the products that I have used from IP were as good or better than others I have used including ttokkyo. IP haqs been around for many years and operated out of many countries and in my opinion he is the single individual that has contributed the most to allowing access to quality goods at great prices. Hey, you do not want to use him ,DON'T but do not bash him unless you have some proof, underdosed and impurities, give me a break! Put up or shut up!
 
Re: Iron Mike

Jeff_rys said:
couldn't it be from taking roids. My BP is low and i do get nose bleeds when taking 120 mgr OX/day. This stops when going down to 80. Just a thought.
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Yes, this was my point Jeff - that any nose bleeds may simply be increased BP - this is normal. IronMike
 
I have only eva had GREAT results form *P's "stuff".......

To every one WHO diss-agrees, well MONEY TALKS & BULL SHIT WALKS...............

GET IT TESTED: =$10000 in reward if NOT WITH IN 5mg of stated dosage.

Any one up 4 a LAB Test?= $10000???

Stallion
 
Okay,....Okay,.......okay,..........ok!!!

Once MORE!!!

:gift: hehehe.......... :teleport: ............... :wavey: & one MORE!!! :yawn: !!!!


Ok.......... Okay i'll go away now.........

Stallion
 
gentlemen this really has gotten out of hand and mods u need to put the resraining order on some of these young'uns. If people have had bad experiences with his stuff, by all means lets hear about it and same for those with good experiences. Opinions on the quality of th product are reasonable as well. personal attacks on the guy is WAAAAAAYYYYYY off bounds tho, as is insinuating that he poisons or dilutes his gear intentionally or that he is soon going to turn scammer. This is a fellow who is doing a great service to the BB community. Some of his products may not be as advertised or of dubious quality but that is also the case with a number of other brands (can anyone say brovel?) - moreover MANY, not a few, have had good results so lets keep this in mind while we try to have an objective discussion on the merits or dangers of his products. anything less degrades us all. :( :o :(
 
had a lot of friends that tried IP anavar and winny. Everyone liked them, go figure.
 
jboldman said:
I can remember way back when elite was the board to ..............DON'T but do not bash him unless you have some proof, underdosed and impurities, give me a break! Put up or shut up!
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But don't turn a blind eye either. His quality control cannot be good - or people wouldn't have bad stories regarding his ineffective a-bombs.

I feel sorry for americans especially, forced to pay stupid prices and forced to jump through hoops to get anabolic steroids. It's total insanity. People want to use, therefore they should be able to use safely. Fuck America's mis-directed war on drugs, fuck legislation... and fuck IP if he is making shit (but I cannot comment on whether he does make shit, because I don't have the need to use his products. Besides, his price list when I first started looking for a source was unreadable...). Only big corporations juice for me: Organon, British Dispensary, etc.. and a british dealer.
 
This is being blown WAY out of proportion.

50mg of any brand winny could easily cause a slight elevation in blood pressure, so the high dose isn't the only reason for the nose bleed.

Slightly higher blood pressure can cause a nose bleed. As a matter of fact, too much Vitamin B will cause me to have nose bleeds.

We all know that nosebleeds are pretty common for people on AS.

And for coughing up blood, that's simple. He was lying in bed when the nose bleed began, so the blood will naturally drain into his mouth and possibly into his esophagus causing him to cough up blood.
 
It's pretty obvious what we need here: lab tests, and lots of them.

My bio assay says the arimidex is great, and my wallet assay says it was very cheap.

I'd love to see lots of people testing lots of different batches of lots of different IP gear and also ancillary products like viagra propecia arimidex clomid etc. That would put all this BS to rest.

I doubt I'd order his clomid. He recommends you chew everything (ugh).
 
Give me a fucking break! The fact of the matter is a lot of his products have been tested by impartial reputable people and have come out gold. I've used several of his products and have always been more than pleased. And unlike what some have said (obviously those who never used his products) the vast majority rave about his stuff, while only a few bitch and moan, not the other way around. And for one to bash his products so outright over some kid's stupidity, makes me beleive that they have some alterior motive. Such as a financial interest in a source or sources other than him, who since they can't compete with him pricewise, have to resort to attacking the man's character and products. The man has been around for quite some time and he has never scammed anyone. Even those who bitch about some of his practices have never said "I sent him money and he didn't send me shit!" His demeanor may be rude and harsh sometimes, but his clientele base is huge and the reason is his satisfaction rating is very high. Get real guys, before all of you jump on the bandwagon and start bashing one of the most reputable sources around.
 
FISNISH THIS OFF ONCE & FOR ALL~

It is your body, use the resources here for your OWN benifit. You arent buying anything and putting into no one's body but your own ! !

I will put cheap gas in my car, I will buy cheap oatmeal when I'm broke, I will even buy cheap beer on sale to saev a buck....
BUT... I will never compromise when it comes to what i put in my body.

Methyl Mike has a good point Years ago...like 15... i was in this Biz... and we made D-bol tabs, Pressed and bottled in a garage,
we put in methyltest instead cuz it was cheap!!

Look at methyltest...very cheap to buy in the raw form, but very harsh on the liver / blood pressure. We made money, you hurt your body.... same thing from your IP friend.

so, it's your body, it's your choice.

Hey, ya wonder how hard it would be to get maybe 10-15 names on this board and just hype a product? hmn.....
 
GUYS first i cant say shit about the ip pruducts but ,, just common sence if is not made legit by a pharmacia it cant be great,,to me taking other products not 100% is always a risk and thats were the problems begin ,,i try get my shit from the pharmacia and if not i get a brand name one if the pruduct for example deca from mexico is being made and theres alot of fakes ,, i stay the fuk away from mexican deca and get it from spain ,, or waht ever is of less risk ,, we all know the problems is not from gear use,but from fake shit and kids using it,,if u dont have the cash dont buy just any gear ,,rather save till u can get the best posible gear ,,things like that give roids a bad name ..
 
nyironman said:



hey zyg, this is one of the most rediculous replys ive seen so far since when is anavar liver toxic and also hes doing winny injects not tabs here so why dont you think before you write ;)
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Nyironman, i agree with you that anavar is not liver toxic at normal (human doses) but from all my education on winstrol, its a 17AA steroid and weither you drink it, snort it, inject it, stick it up your ass...it will ulitmately be metabolized in the liver, therefore it is TOxic to your liver regardless of the form of adminstration?
 
yea this does fucking suck cause i have anavar comming along the way...why cant you guyz just tell me what i wanna here:FRlol:

Decam, sory bro...when were you planning on starting your winny cycle?....

To everyone: when using ANY kind of drug, wether asprin, cocain or AS, you always run a risk. Do the risks outweigh the benefits?...thats a question you have to decide...
 
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