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"Lean-as-shit bulk" cycle critique

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ozarkabrand

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First time posting here, I've been around various boards though.

Anyway dudes.. Nice to be here, looks like some solid knowledge around here :)

Now, about that cycle -
Weeks 1-10/12: 100mg test prop EOD
Weeks 1-5: 50mg winny ED (oral)
Weeks 6-10/12: 100mg masteron MWF

Goal is to bulk, but keep things lean and have bloat at a minimum.

Looking forward to responses :cool:
 
looks solid . i'd bump winny up to 100mg a day i didn't find it that impressive when i took it but then again diff. people react differently
 
welcome to EF

stats???? age/weight/bf/how many cycles and what where you on????

people have to kno your stats befoe they can help
 
The only thing I'd change is to run the Mast through the whole cycle.

If you don't want to do that, I'd run the mast first and the winny last. I always like to end on winny, for various reasons. Good pre-recovery (quick to leave the system), you will be leaner and it will suck sub q water out giving you a "
finished" look that no other aas I have used compares to.
 
your masteron carries the same ester as the test you are using ? so why not shoot it eod like you will be doing with the prop.
 
If your Masteron is Drostanolone Propionate then I would be injecting it along with the Test and run it full cycle length but I guess at 21 you already know you should probably not being using AAS.
 
access said:
if your masteron is drostanolone propionate then i would be injecting it along with the test and run it full cycle length but i guess at 21 you already know you should probably not being using aas.
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ahem!


Radar
 
access said:
If your Masteron is Drostanolone Propionate then I would be injecting it along with the Test and run it full cycle length but I guess at 21 you already know you should probably not being using AAS.
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what other types of masteron is there???
 
masteron will keep you nice and dry. i ran test and masteron both at about 350 mgs EW and loved it. i wouldn't expect too much bulk, but cosmetically you should be happy (have a tight diet to ensure that)

your libido should be through the roof
 
The "21 is too young for AAS" idea is a totally subjective one. Just sayin'!

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I was looking to save a little $$ by doing 300mg/week of Mast so I wouldn't have to buy another vial, but, I may just go for EOD injections with the test and drop the cash anyway.

For the guy that said to end with winny, why not end with mast? It's a pretty common pre-contest drug so far as I know.
 
ryno9000 said:
I know I may get hit with bad karma for this, but really guys 21 is fine to be using aas.
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i agree with you only if taking properly. I took my first aas shots when I was 21 and i didnt even know a whole lot of about them eighter as I do it now. I took test and decca with no pct, if i could go back I would of only did test and pct then work myself up instead cram shit in me. I believe now when you're 21ish you should be running low doses of test and not all these different compounds. To me, people have there whole like to juice so why go all out now??
 
mattu3743 said:
i agree with you only if taking properly. I took my first aas shots when I was 21 and i didnt even know a whole lot of about them eighter as I do it now. I took test and decca with no pct, if i could go back I would of only did test and pct then work myself up instead cram shit in me. I believe now when you're 21ish you should be running low doses of test and not all these different compounds. To me, people have there whole like to juice so why go all out now??
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"I have my whole life to juice".. Man, that sounds fuckin' sweet!
 
ryno9000 said:
I know I may get hit with bad karma for this, but really guys 21 is fine to be using aas.
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ASS is not fine to use at 21 with these stats

21
170
12%
5'9"

You need to fix your diet, not take AAS right now in my opinion. But you probably won't listen to me. You will eventually end up doing your cycle, gaining 20lbs and then 3 months later be back to 175lbs if your lucky. I see it constantly in the gym and from people I know.

People don't understand how important diet is.

At age 21 I was probably 180lbs and it wasn't until I was 25 and actually changed my diet that I started to gain weight. I was about 190lbs at 25 changed my diet and I'm now around 240lbs without AAS.

Diet is the most important thing in bodybuilding.

1. Diet
2. Training
3. AAS or supplements

Thats the order, I would suggest fixing your diet and keep records of it for the next 2 years then take AAS.
 
Stats can be a bit deceiving, so I won't hold it against you.

btw, you have NO idea how great my diet is.. alas, I have nothing to prove to you, so I'll leave it at that.
 
ozarkabrand said:
Stats can be a bit deceiving, so I won't hold it against you.

btw, you have NO idea how great my diet is.. alas, I have nothing to prove to you, so I'll leave it at that.
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I don't think stats are deceiving at all. They are your actual stats. I'm just trying to tell you that I thought my diet was good until I actually started keeping track of everything and realized my diet wasn't on. Once I kept track, ate at scheduled times thats when I realized how important diet is. To be honest at 5'9 170lbs and 12% body fat your diet isn't great at all. Don't confuse this with me attacking you, this is advice that once you really focus on your diet at your age you'll realize how much potential you aren't using.

If you are going to use AAS its up to you, but I'm warning you if you don't seriously focus on your diet it will all be for nothing. Post up some pics if you can, that also helps. I just don't think people realize at the age of 21 you have tons of natural test that your going to shut down for artificial test.
 
ryno9000 said:
I know I may get hit with bad karma for this, but really guys 21 is fine to be using aas.
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Fine buy me... Old enough to drink so you are old enough to make this choice too... Still it should be said that you can still grow fairly well natural at this age..

I think we have beet that point to death in this thread though so lets move on.
 
Trendsetter21 said:
ASS is not fine to use at 21 with these stats

21
170
12%
5'9"

You need to fix your diet, not take AAS right now in my opinion. But you probably won't listen to me. You will eventually end up doing your cycle, gaining 20lbs and then 3 months later be back to 175lbs if your lucky. I see it constantly in the gym and from people I know.

People don't understand how important diet is.

At age 21 I was probably 180lbs and it wasn't until I was 25 and actually changed my diet that I started to gain weight. I was about 190lbs at 25 changed my diet and I'm now around 240lbs without AAS.

Diet is the most important thing in bodybuilding.

1. Diet
2. Training
3. AAS or supplements

Thats the order, I would suggest fixing your diet and keep records of it for the next 2 years then take AAS.
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thats about 95 percent of guys that use juice ...they can only train on juice and thats only about 3 months out of the year....6 months later ull see them come in the gym covered in like 12 sweatshirts hiding their huge gut....people have on idea how to train intensly...ive been trainin for like 6 yrs hardcore now and ive yet to find a training parter that will last more then 2 months with me...people are just lazy as hell....and i love all the excuses people have for not training legs....oh i have bad knees...oh i do cardio so i dont need to train legs with weights...i have a bad back....and these guys are only in their 20's....im freakin 6'3 and i squat deep every freakin week till im about to puke!! im sure 90 percent of guys on this site have no business even touching juice and that what gives juice a bad name....i love the guys that get a hold of some dbols and walk around the gym with their bloated faces arms and guts and think they are strong when they cant even do a half bench rep 315lbs one fuckin time!! this one old guy in my gym prolly about 40 yrs old told me he used to be like double my size back in the day (which is complete bullshit) and told me he used to work out bench press 310lbs.....who the hell loads 310 on the bar? is it even freakin possible? enough ranting i just have to air out because every gym by my house the guys are all on juice and are pussies and cant even bench press 315 one time and its pathetic
 
needtogetaas said:
Fine buy me... Old enough to drink so you are old enough to make this choice too... Still it should be said that you can still grow fairly well natural at this age..

I think we have beet that point to death in this thread though so lets move on.
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agreed!!:die:
 
Trendsetter21 said:
I don't think stats are deceiving at all. They are your actual stats. I'm just trying to tell you that I thought my diet was good until I actually started keeping track of everything and realized my diet wasn't on. Once I kept track, ate at scheduled times thats when I realized how important diet is. To be honest at 5'9 170lbs and 12% body fat your diet isn't great at all. Don't confuse this with me attacking you, this is advice that once you really focus on your diet at your age you'll realize how much potential you aren't using.

If you are going to use AAS its up to you, but I'm warning you if you don't seriously focus on your diet it will all be for nothing. Post up some pics if you can, that also helps. I just don't think people realize at the age of 21 you have tons of natural test that your going to shut down for artificial test.
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You know, I'm not a fucking retard. I keep track of my diet.. anyone ever hear of fitday? Damn.
 
Trendsetter21 said:
ASS is not fine to use at 21 with these stats

21
170
12%
5'9"

You need to fix your diet, not take AAS right now in my opinion. But you probably won't listen to me. You will eventually end up doing your cycle, gaining 20lbs and then 3 months later be back to 175lbs if your lucky. I see it constantly in the gym and from people I know.

People don't understand how important diet is.

At age 21 I was probably 180lbs and it wasn't until I was 25 and actually changed my diet that I started to gain weight. I was about 190lbs at 25 changed my diet and I'm now around 240lbs without AAS.

Diet is the most important thing in bodybuilding.

1. Diet
2. Training
3. AAS or supplements

Thats the order, I would suggest fixing your diet and keep records of it for the next 2 years then take AAS.
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I agree, i would stick with pussy, unless you like dudes... Jokes aside you need to relax guys, the rule is 21, no need to go overboard and jump down peoples throats. He's an adult and can make up his own mind, if you wanna give him a suggestion that you don't think hes ready and should look into x,y,z, thats great but don't turn this into a you're too young to use steroids thread. The rule was put in place to stop kids from coming on here and making bad decisions. I think we can all agree hes old enough to make decisions about what he puts in his body.
 
ozarkabrand said:
You know, I'm not a fucking retard. I keep track of my diet.. anyone ever hear of fitday? Damn.
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You came on EF looking for opinions and critique. You don't have to agree with what someone says. Grow up & check your attitude @ the door.
 
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